Yeah I phoned Amex yesterday to query why Amex on Apple Pay at McD's kept booting me back to a Chip & PIN check and was told pretty much the same thing. I just hope that HSBC gets sorted soon and when they do they support my John Lewis partnership card on Apple Pay.

Wow you're going back a long long way, wish it was still those prices now.

I don't think it's that far back. It certainly wasn't £2.30 per journey around Christmas time.

Those prices you said remind me of how it was about 15 years ago.

Im still waiting for Halifax to support it.

Correct, it was £2.20 (unless you are a child or have a railcard attached to your Oyster card etc).

Strange. I topped up £5 over Christmas and it lasted nearly 2 days. And I travelled several times by Tube and bus. Unless there was a Christmas sale.

Bus fare is £1.50 now.

You may have gone over what you topped up though. That will come out of what you top it up with next, if you do that is.

Until I can get 33% off travel with a CPC or Apple Pay, I think I'll stick with Oyster for the time being!

It's weird how they can charge so much extra for the same journey on a bus or the tube. I know the tube is faster but I thought it would cost them more to run buses than trains. They should streamline the prices more to make it more convenient for people paying with Contactless and Apple Pay.

There is capping which does help if you travel a lot during the day.

https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...on-this-page-0

It's still too much to pay for a tube journey. They should reduce it in line with bus fares.

No they shouldn't. The tube will always have a premium as there's only so much capacity. It's far easier to lay on more buses if necessary - or create new routes.

£1.50 to be able to cross a significant amount of London on a bus is incredible though. I do think a lot of people in London don't fully appreciate how cheap transport can be compared to elsewhere in the country (rather ironic when you think how expensive London is for everything else).

The tube can command a premium, and should. Or else it will be totally unusable, as it already is on some lines.

They pay enough tax, council tax, national insurance and other charges to overpay for a service which increases way above inflation every year. Especially when other major cities are cheaper.

What other cities have a flat rate £1.50 fare? With daily AND weekly price capping for transport usage in general? I was talking about the UK, before you come back with a comparison with Brazil or something.

Everyone pays council tax, NI and VAT etc - so I am not sure what your point is?

My travel in London is capped at about £7 a day, which I think is a bit of a bargain. That's off peak and I forget the peak rate cap (probably a fair bit more) but I don't see that as particularly expensive. And I'd sooner have TfL investing money into more tube lines, new trains, station upgrades, and funding youngsters to travel for free (as long as they behave!!) than cutting fares and the tube network grinds to a halt.

A single Metro fair in Paris is 1.70€ and a 7 day Metro Card in NYC is $31 and a single fare is $2.75 for bus and subway and these cities are considered even more expensive than London to live. We are definitely being ripped off here. There is no way a tube fare should be that much more expensive than a bus fare.

Tbh I think it is more of a case that the flat rate bus fare in London is very cheap considering how fare you can go! Especially compared to bus fares in most other UK cities anyway.
And to be fair, the £2.30 zone 1 tube fare compares pretty well to other rail based journeys in other parts of the country too.

There's no way you'll ever pay the same on the tube as for a bus. Nor will we ever see taxis charging just £1.50 for any journey within the zones.

In some countries you have a flat rate fare that is time based, rather than distance, so in those cases you can use metros or buses, or whatever, for the same money - but that is often a higher price in the first place (unless you buy a daily/weekly/monthly ticket etc).

A quick check suggests that I pay roughly as much council tax (living in England's poorest county) than the handful of London boroughs I looked at (sometimes more, compared to the likes of Westminster).

Higher income tax and NI are part and parcel of living in the richest part of the country, I'm afraid. I'd love to have a higher paying job.

We also have above inflation increases on local rail and bus services - but without the billions put back into them as a matter of course, like Londoners get. We can't even get necessary, vital upgrades, whereas London seems to get it 24ct gold plated

So what was your point, exactly?

But your rent or mortgage is probably a hell of a lot less than it would be in London. Workers should get some sort of subsidy on their travel costs. My point, as I stated in my initial post is that tube fares shouldn't be that much higher than bus fares and in line with other major cities. Especially if the distance is the same or a lot shorter.

London has zones. Once buses followed zones too. Buses got cheaper. Tune fares didn't go up (bar the usual increases for all transport).

I'm surprised you think a tube journey should cost the same as a bus, but will leave it there as this will go around in circles otherwise.

Transport in London is already subsidised a lot as it is. I'm sure you're aware that if prices were cut, you'd have to pay for it elsewhere.

The Circle Line. Well maybe not the same price but if the bus single fare is £1.50 then the tube single fare should be no more than £1.95.

My first Apple pay failure tonight in Morrisons.
The iPhone did the tick and the bleep but the terminal then threw it's toys out and asked for a card and pin.
However........
The girl on the checkout was young and it turns out was waiting for Barclays to get on board so she could try it.
She was fully clued up and just said try it again..
So I did.... and it worked! Only one transaction.. all fine.
Weird!

This is just a hunch but it's possible this happens if you take the iPhone away just a little too quickly. I think that's what I did tonight.

Strange that it beeped and ticked to indicate that it went through though.

I know. I got the tick but...
I did kind of whip the the handset away sharpish in my haste, sort of as the tick was still being drawn and I don't think it likes that!