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Old 15-07-2015, 07:58
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I knew the insults would come. People can only explain their dislike Joel by saying it's because he's a tory or insulting him.
I couldn't give a rats ass what politics he stupidly decides to devote his life to. I dislike him because he is a comes accross as a smug, self righteous and superior individual. I have disliked him all the way through, he has done nothing to change my mind. Moreover, the new cabaret, all singing and dancing Joel has only exacerbated my dislike for him.

If by stating MY opionons on him are perceived by you and his other supporstes as insulting, so be it. It is me giving my valid opinion on a BB housemate and calling out the traits I find deeply diselikeable in him. Every person on this forum will have a particular person they will like or dislike and post their opinions accordingly.

It's churlish to insult the forum members for being insulting when all we . well I am doing is stating my opinion. You do it too connor.
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Old 15-07-2015, 08:25
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Joel being a councillor - a school governor - involved with two charities - means this NINETEEN year old is one exceptional individual trying to do good for his local community... I wish there were more people like him interested in helping their local community... pompous? Occasionally perhaps but at least he hasn't pretended to be any one else...
Not exceptional, there are many young people working for charity who do it for far more admirable reasons than a political career.
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Old 15-07-2015, 08:33
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He is the unacceptable face of the tory party, a smug pompous ass, thinks he is better than everyone else. Silly little boy, reminds me of David Cameron
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Old 15-07-2015, 09:46
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It would be a shame if people took a dislike to Joel just for his political views. Because he's still very young, and also more intelligent and articulate than most of the others, he can certainly seem over-precocious, but I still quite like him. I think he's got enough sense of humour to make him likeable.
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Old 15-07-2015, 10:50
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OK. Hands down.

Now hands up if you like Joel because he's a Tory.
I like Joel anyway the fact he is a Tory is a bonus.
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Old 15-07-2015, 12:13
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I distrust him because he talks like a typical politician, not because of his chosen party.
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Old 15-07-2015, 12:14
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I dislike Joel because he's a pompous prig.
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Old 15-07-2015, 12:15
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I dislike Joel because he is manipulative and more than a little creepy.
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Old 15-07-2015, 12:42
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I can't understand what all this class warfare is about. It seems that a lot of people have taken a dislike to Joel because he is interesed in politics and even worse supports the Tories!

Well I'm not happy that they won the election but I don't go around forming my views about someone by first asking what political party they support. And then assigning them with aĺl the negative attributes that I associate with a party I'm not keen on.

All the descriptions of him being slimy, smug, manipulative etc are very harsh. To my mind a lot of those views can be said of most of the housemates at some time or another.

I think a llot of people distrust Joel because he is defintely not your typical teenager - he seems to have been born old or just out of his time. But then the little boy in him escapes and it's a sight to behold. Love, love, love that he's into ABBA, can do a slut drop with the best of them, is not afraid to let out a girly scream, but is interested in other people and can hold an intelligent conversation.

in a sea of mock stupidity (or actual in the case of Danny) Joel is breath of fresh air!

So Joel for the win or at least in the top three along with Nick or (ducks first) Jack as although a moaner and a bit bitchy has been interesting and insightful at times.

How do you know what people dislike him for? Seems to me you are just making your mind up that that is the case and running with it. I don't dislike him because i don't really know him. What I have seen of him i am not keen. The way he dumped his so called friends when Helen entered the house is what put me off him. He isn't loyal and runs with who ever he thinks will be of use to him. He basically had no time for the others and was glued to Helen like a glued puppet.

I was very disappointed in him how he had no opinion when things got heated in the house all because she told him he was popular and sucked up to him. I can't stand people like that regardless of who they vote for. If you aren't loyal to people you have known first in the house then IMO you can't be trusted ever. He's a little performer and acts up to the camera at every opportunity,

His sneering attitude when someone has a different opinion to his is very of putting too. It's his way or no way.
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Old 15-07-2015, 12:58
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Well he is definitely marmite here - some think he's by far the best housemate (which is what we are voting for) in there while others think he is "creepy"..
As for being a tory - record low inflation, record high employment, £9 living wage by 2020, record low interest rates... just won the general election... there's no shame in being a tory like 12 million others who voted them in... and he is SERVING his local community... win win in my book
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Old 15-07-2015, 13:10
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Joel being a councillor - a school governor - involved with two charities - means this NINETEEN year old is one exceptional individual trying to do good for his local community... I wish there were more people like him interested in helping their local community... pompous? Occasionally perhaps but at least he hasn't pretended to be any one else...
You know I respect and thank almost most of our politicians. It could be age talking here, but most go into it to make a difference. Sure sometimes there is a "power" thing going on, but generally they are there bto & do care for their constituance, providing a voice for those who go unheard.

I personally have been helped by my MP when fighting a £850 tax bill. I also know of the hours and effort many MP's & their supporters walk round endlessly discussing their campaign. It might not be what you want, but they are only trying to make things better for the rest of us.

I like Joel anyway the fact he is a Tory is a bonus.
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Old 15-07-2015, 13:40
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I couldn't give a rats ass what politics he stupidly decides to devote his life to. I dislike him because he is a comes accross as a smug, self righteous and superior individual. I have disliked him all the way through, he has done nothing to change my mind. Moreover, the new cabaret, all singing and dancing Joel has only exacerbated my dislike for him.

If by stating MY opionons on him are perceived by you and his other supporstes as insulting, so be it. It is me giving my valid opinion on a BB housemate and calling out the traits I find deeply diselikeable in him. Every person on this forum will have a particular person they will like or dislike and post their opinions accordingly.

It's churlish to insult the forum members for being insulting when all we . well I am doing is stating my opinion. You do it too connor.
The perfect post to which I find myself in complete and total agreement..I would just add that being a smug, self righteous and superior individual is also a trait in Conservative leader and dodgy PM Cameron which does not help improve my opinion of Joel when I hear his views on politics.
I detest Tories they are dividing the UK and getting people to turn on each other,to say other parties are the same is a stupid arguement that lacks fact.
I am now in a position of anyone but Joel or Danny to win,I dont mind a bit of fake acting up for a bit of fun or drama but Joel has consistently manipulated in order to make the others look bad while he takes some higher moral ground and now in the final week we see daily repition of Joel doing anything he can to grab airtime..his actions may go down well with BBUSA viewers but manipulating HMs to that degree in our show just makes me detest him more and more.
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Old 15-07-2015, 13:47
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Well he is definitely marmite here - some think he's by far the best housemate (which is what we are voting for) in there while others think he is "creepy"..
As for being a tory - record low inflation, record high employment, £9 living wage by 2020, record low interest rates... just won the general election... there's no shame in being a tory like 12 million others who voted them in... and he is SERVING his local community... win win in my book
Won with just 24% meaning 76% over 3/4 of voters didnt want tories in.
High employment,yes its amazing what you can do when you encourage zero hour contracts and part time work as well as sanctioning 150,000 per month.
£9 By 2020 is NOT a living wage,a real living wage is about that now in london.
There is absolute shame in being a Tory given the disgusting way these so called politicians have treated the disabled,the sick and the young.
However thats prob better for politics forum,the fact is most people who dislike Joel appear to have many reasons to dislike him,being a Tory may be one reason but I doubt very much it would be the only reason people dislike him.
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Old 15-07-2015, 14:06
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Won with just 24% meaning 76% over 3/4 of voters didnt want tories in.
High employment,yes its amazing what you can do when you encourage zero hour contracts and part time work as well as sanctioning 150,000 per month.
£9 By 2020 is NOT a living wage,a real living wage is about that now in london.
There is absolute shame in being a Tory given the disgusting way these so called politicians have treated the disabled,the sick and the young.
However thats prob better for politics forum,the fact is most people who dislike Joel appear to have many reasons to dislike him,being a Tory may be one reason but I doubt very much it would be the only reason people dislike him.
But it also shows that more people voted for the tories than for any one of the other parties.

£9 an hour OMG I had better move back to London . Most of us do not live in London & have a wage @ £20K-25K if that where I live.
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Old 15-07-2015, 14:24
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I dislike him because of his superior than thou attitude, his condescending questioning and deliberately worded responses rather than natural wording. If that's the same as being a Tory then I guess so.
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Old 15-07-2015, 14:32
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But it also shows that more people voted for the tories than for any one of the other parties.

£9 an hour OMG I had better move back to London . Most of us do not live in London & have a wage @ £20K-25K if that where I live.
LOL I dont live in London either I guess their rent/mortgage is scandalous hence the ben cap being 5k more in Lon than everywhere else...They would have to pay me a lot more than £9 an hour to live in London,I love living in NW of England
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Old 15-07-2015, 14:39
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I can't understand what all this class warfare is about. It seems that a lot of people have taken a dislike to Joel because he is interesed in politics and even worse supports the Tories!

Well I'm not happy that they won the election but I don't go around forming my views about someone by first asking what political party they support. And then assigning them with aĺl the negative attributes that I associate with a party I'm not keen on.

All the descriptions of him being slimy, smug, manipulative etc are very harsh. To my mind a lot of those views can be said of most of the housemates at some time or another.

I think a llot of people distrust Joel because he is defintely not your typical teenager - he seems to have been born old or just out of his time. But then the little boy in him escapes and it's a sight to behold. Love, love, love that he's into ABBA, can do a slut drop with the best of them, is not afraid to let out a girly scream, but is interested in other people and can hold an intelligent conversation.

in a sea of mock stupidity (or actual in the case of Danny) Joel is breath of fresh air!

So Joel for the win or at least in the top three along with Nick or (ducks first) Jack as although a moaner and a bit bitchy has been interesting and insightful at times.


I dislike him because he constantly tries to make people look bad with his sneaky hypothetical debates. I dislike his arrogance and his air of superiority, and I don't much care for pseudo-intellectuals. Disliking someone purely because of their political persuasion is just plain daft.
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Old 15-07-2015, 15:45
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When did BB become a political contest or should all the HMs be asked to declare their allegiance so we could vote accordingly if we have a party preference.

Perhaps we should try and guess. Maybe Chloe and Sam are labour supporters since they squandered the prize fund for nothing in return. Jack is clearly UKIP for nicking part of the prize fund.
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Old 15-07-2015, 15:52
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I like Joel and I like Conservatives.
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Old 15-07-2015, 16:35
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Well he is definitely marmite here - some think he's by far the best housemate (which is what we are voting for) in there while others think he is "creepy"..
As for being a tory - record low inflation, record high employment, £9 living wage by 2020, record low interest rates... just won the general election... there's no shame in being a tory like 12 million others who voted them in... and he is SERVING his local community... win win in my book
The low inflation is bugger all to do with Osborne. It's because of a sharp drop in global oil prices. As for record high employment, if these were DECENT jobs that you can build a life around, the countries tax receipts would be higher. Wages are so low that people are forced to claim tax credits, The taxpayer is subsidising employers who won't put their hand in their pocket and pay a decent wage.
Record low interest rates have nothing to do with the government. If they take credit for them, then they'll have to do the same when they increase sharply within the next couple of years.
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Old 15-07-2015, 16:45
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I like both (Surely, I can't be the only one?).

But they have nothing to do with each over!!!

I like Joel because he's a great guy, not because he's a Tory.
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Old 15-07-2015, 17:47
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Boris Johnson (mayor of London) is Tory but quite scruffy looking and a likeable political figure.

He enjoys cycling and drinking beer at the pub.

Not all conservatives are snobs.

19 yr old Joel has a dry sense of humour and is quite playful and entertaining.

And I'm sure can also spell the word canoe
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Old 15-07-2015, 18:04
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Boris Johnson (mayor of London) is Tory but quite scruffy looking and a likeable political figure.

He enjoys cycling and drinking beer at the pub.

Not all conservatives are snobs.

19 yr old Joel has a dry sense of humour and is quite playful and entertaining.

And I'm sure can also spell the word canoe
I love Boris
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Old 15-07-2015, 18:19
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Although I'm not a Tory supporter, I've liked Joel pretty much from day one. His political party is irrelevant to me.
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Old 15-07-2015, 18:20
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Well if things were so bad here, why not move abroad? Why do so many people want to move here? Look, there's just two parties that run this country - Labour or Tory and one could argue both are as bad as each other.. also who you vote for might depend on were you live.. I live near Bristol and this is now a safe tory seat BUT I totally understand if someone lives in the north and/or in a high unemployment or poorer area you are more likely to vote Labour.. (who knows if I would think different if I was born somewhere else)...
Now to Joel - for whatever reason he is a member of the tory party - but out of the six housemates left (none of them are perfect) he is my preferred choice and nothing anyone says on here is going to change my mind whether he wins or comes 2nd/3rd
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