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Old 16-07-2015, 00:57
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I do think people use the word "bully" too easily at times........
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Old 16-07-2015, 01:09
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I think Joel is a very sly/crafty character - a lot of what he does and says is to expose others weaknesses or more negative traits. He never gives very much away about himself but will happily probe away at others.
Rather than it being a case that Joel doesn't give much away is that that like any would be politician you know not to say too much for fear of what you say being taken out of context and used against you later on down the line. For example Cristian and his sex tape admission.

Also most of the housemates aren't too interested in each other. Anyone that appears on BB are innate show offs. Otherwise why would anybody put themselves up for intense scrutiny by a few million viewers. This includes "shy gentle Nick" who I quite like. So most housemates are in general are all about their own ego and are constantly assessing how they are being perceived. Their interest in each other is self serving and after a few weeks outside of the house they will have reverted back to type.

But back to Joel. One of the more common criticisms of him is that gives off an air of superiority. Could it be that he comes across as being superior in the eyes of people that for one reason or another are feeling inferior, oppressed or beaten down by others around them or life in general? And that Joel's confidence, assertiveness and particular way of conversing justifies their loathing of him.

I am not saying that everyone should like Joel and I don't mean to disparage anyone's feelings or thoughts about him. I just find it interesting that besides Marc (who I liked) Joel is the housemate who has such divided opinions on the forum.
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Old 16-07-2015, 01:12
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I do think people use the word "bully" too easily at times........
Why you... you... you great big bully! Trying to bully forum users into not using the word bully. You mean bullying bully you!

(Hmm... you might be right... it does appear to lose all meaning when overused in trivial ways. )
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Old 16-07-2015, 01:13
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Rather than it being a case that Joel doesn't give much away is that that like any would be politician you know not to say too much for fear of what you say being taken out of context and used against you later on down the line. For example Cristian and his sex tape admission.

Also most of the housemates aren't too interested in each other. Anyone that appears on BB are innate show offs. Otherwise why would anybody put themselves up for intense scrutiny by a few million viewers. This includes "shy gentle Nick" who I quite like. So most housemates are in general are all about their own ego and are constantly assessing how they are being perceived. Their interest in each other is self serving and after a few weeks outside of the house they will have reverted back to type.

But back to Joel. One of the more common criticisms of him is that gives off an air of superiority. Could it be that he comes across as being superior in the eyes of people that for one reason or another are feeling inferior, oppressed or beaten down by others around them or life in general? And that Joel's confidence, assertiveness and particular way of conversing justifies their loathing of him.

I am not saying that everyone should like Joel and I don't mean to disparage anyone's feelings or thoughts about him. I just find it interesting that besides Marc (who I liked) Joel is the housemate who has such divided opinions on the forum.
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Old 16-07-2015, 01:18
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Wish there was a rolling eyes smiley
Sorry but I might be too tired to understand and also not a with it youngster. Would a rolling eyes smiley signify sarcasm?
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Old 16-07-2015, 01:20
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Wish there was a rolling eyes smiley
I thought the part you highlighted was interesting and at least worthy of some discussion, rather than just a glib remark. I think confident people can over shadow others which can lead to resentment and frustration. It's something to consider.
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Old 16-07-2015, 01:26
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I thought the part you highlighted was interesting and at least worthy of some discussion, rather than just a glib remark. I think confident people can over shadow others which can lead to resentment and frustration. It's something to consider.
I think it's rather presumptuous and a pretty silly way to reason something out. We're talking about audience members forming opinions about people they've watched on a TV show.

Does that mean the people who find Danny aggressive must be meek in real life, or feel oppressed by aggressive people?

Do people find Nick sly because they've been wronged by sneaky people?
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Old 16-07-2015, 01:28
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Sorry but I might be too tired to understand and also not a with it youngster. Would a rolling eyes smiley signify sarcasm?
One generally rolls their eyes when they disagree with what they've just heard, and/or find it to be silly.
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Old 16-07-2015, 01:31
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I thought the part you highlighted was interesting and at least worthy of some discussion, rather than just a glib remark. I think confident people can over shadow others which can lead to resentment and frustration. It's something to consider.
Rylan is confident, Emma Willis is confident. Do people think they give off an air of superiority? Nope.
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Old 16-07-2015, 01:34
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I think it's rather presumptuous and a pretty silly way to reason something out. We're talking about audience members forming opinions about people they've watched on a TV show.

Does that mean the people who find Danny aggressive must be meek in real life, or feel oppressed by aggressive people?

Do people find Nick sly because they've been wronged by sneaky people?
But our opinions are shaped by our life experiences.

Who doesn't feel threatened or oppressed by aggressive behavior?

And if you were wronged by a sly individual before, wouldn't that make you more predisposed to dislike similar traits in others?

I just think it's interesting is all.
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Old 16-07-2015, 01:41
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But our opinions are shaped by our life experiences.

Who doesn't feel threatened or oppressed by aggressive behavior?

And if you were wronged by a sly individual before, wouldn't that make you more predisposed to dislike similar traits in others?

I just think it's interesting is all.
That's not really what the other poster said. What he basically said is if I and others think Joel acts superior, it's because our lives are crappy. What?

There is no correlation.
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Old 16-07-2015, 01:43
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lol that this thread has proven to be such a hit
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Old 16-07-2015, 01:44
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lol that this thread has proven to be such a hit
I know! I feel like my forum journey has matched Chloe's on this years BB
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Old 16-07-2015, 01:56
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That's not really what the other poster said. What he basically said is if I and others think Joel acts superior, it's because our lives are crappy. What?

There is no correlation.
I think both I and the other poster (Squidgems), are basically saying the same things. Just in different ways. That less confident people may resent Joel because of his assertiveness. Not saying it's a cold, hard fact. Just an interesting possibility worthy of discussion. Anyways if you don't feel that way, then that's perfectly ok.
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Old 16-07-2015, 01:59
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That's not really what the other poster said. What he basically said is if I and others think Joel acts superior, it's because our lives are crappy. What?

There is no correlation.
Actually I wasn't inferring that your lives are rubbish. What I believe is along the lines of what Eve Eĺle said. That is a lot of people's views or feelings about someone can be based on unconscious or conscious stereotyping or based on past interactions with similar people or events that have happened in your life. If some of those experiences are not so good ones does that mean that your current existence has no value? Of course not!
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Old 16-07-2015, 02:03
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I think both I and the other poster (Squidgems), are basically saying the same things. Just in different ways. That less confident people may resent Joel because of his assertiveness. Not saying it's a cold, hard fact. Just an interesting possibility worthy of discussion. Anyways if you don't feel that way, then that's perfectly ok.
Nicely put Eve Elle.
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Old 16-07-2015, 14:21
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But our opinions are shaped by our life experiences.

Who doesn't feel threatened or oppressed by aggressive behavior?

And if you were wronged by a sly individual before, wouldn't that make you more predisposed to dislike similar traits in others?


I just think it's interesting is all.
I don't think you need to have personal experience of being wronged by a sly person to consider being sly a generally negative character trait. Who genuinely thinks slyness is an admirable quality? Apart from maybe other sly people?
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Old 16-07-2015, 14:24
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Can't we just let all this crap go now. It's the last day and the final show tonight...

Why bother wasting time focusing on bad parts?
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Old 16-07-2015, 14:39
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Actually I wasn't inferring that your lives are rubbish. What I believe is along the lines of what Eve Eĺle said. That is a lot of people's views or feelings about someone can be based on unconscious or conscious stereotyping or based on past interactions with similar people or events that have happened in your life. If some of those experiences are not so good ones does that mean that your current existence has no value? Of course not!
Fair point.
Regarding the stereotyping, IMO, many folk who have a negative opinion of Joel seem to be basing their feelings on the fact he is "Tory" - and therefore have declared 'open season' on him.
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Old 16-07-2015, 14:50
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Can't we just let all this crap go now. It's the last day and the final show tonight...

Why bother wasting time focusing on bad parts?
Oh I don't know. Perhaps because bad parts are as important to someone's overall makeup as good parts? And therefore as relevant in terms of discussing potential winners as 'lol Joel's adorable love his slut-drops lol'

But sure, carry on attempting to control discussion within your own preferred set of parameters.
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Old 16-07-2015, 14:50
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No he is not a bully! A term too loosely thrown around in this forum, anytime someone says anything against someone's fav oh they are a bully. The word bully should be banned from this forum because the way it is used, is a joke!
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Old 16-07-2015, 14:51
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He reminds me so much of Luke Marsden
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Old 16-07-2015, 14:52
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Fair point.
Regarding the stereotyping, IMO, many folk who have a negative opinion of Joel seem to be basing their feelings on the fact he is "Tory" - and therefore have declared 'open season' on him.
You may be right. But similarly, many people seem to be supporting Joel precisely because of his political leanings so it's a fairly redundant point.
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Old 16-07-2015, 14:54
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Oh I don't know. Perhaps because bad parts are as important to someone's overall makeup as good parts? And therefore as relevant in terms of discussing potential winners as 'lol Joel's adorable love his slut-drops lol'

But sure, carry on attempting to control discussion within your own preferred set of parameters.
Beautifully said, I couldn't agree more.
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Old 16-07-2015, 14:58
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I do think people use the word "bully" too easily at times........
Only bullies say that...
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