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An amendment is not a law, its an amendment to an existing law, the law does not change. It remains assented..
All laws need royal assent. Joel should know this. Intelligent aspiring politician? Its basic. I think he would make a good council member but I would be very concerned if he even became a backbencher. Especially with his strange views on sexuality and emotional intelligence. |
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He is only 19 fgs. He's still learning
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The last time a monarch refused Royal Assent was in 1708 in the reign of Queen Anne
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The last time a monarch refused Royal Assent was in 1708 in the reign of Queen Anne
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All laws need royal ascent. It's just a fact, sorry.
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I think you mean royal assent. Royal ascent means the Queen going up in a lift.
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I think you mean royal assent. Royal ascent means the Queen going up in a lift.
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A proposed bill needs a royal assent, but that's pretty much automatic and isn't the queen sitting at a desk rubber stamping laws. Royalty hasn't got involved in a law for a long time. Joel actually said the queen approves all laws and it isn't true, she has nothing to do with trade laws for example, which is the EU.
I think he would make a good council member but I would be very concerned if he even became a backbencher. Especially with his strange views on sexuality and emotional intelligence. Factually, Joel was not incorrect. Parliamentary Laws need the Royal Assent. The issue with EU law is not straightforward; you will find that they're able to take effect into the UK due to a parliamentary act (European Communities Act 1972). |
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If I was D*nny I would be pretty embarrassed being educated by a 19 year old about stuff that should have sunk in at school. Although Joel was incorrect about the Queen having to approve laws, that hasn't been around for a long time.
I think New York might have something to say about London supposedly being the finance capital of the world too. The thing is, with this years housemates you can pretty much claim anything without much argument or correction. Royal assent is the method by which a country's constitutional monarch formally approves an act of that nation's parliament, thus making it a law or letting it be promulgated as law. In the vast majority of contemporary monarchies, this act is considered to be little more than a formality; even in those nations which still permit their ruler to withhold the royal assent (such as the United Kingdom, Norway, and Liechtenstein), the monarch almost never does so, save in a dire political emergency or upon the advice of their government. While the power to withhold royal assent was once exercised often in European monarchies, it is exceedingly rare in the modern, democratic political atmosphere that has developed there since the 18th century. |
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A proposed bill needs a royal assent, but that's pretty much automatic and isn't the queen sitting at a desk rubber stamping laws. Royalty hasn't got involved in a law for a long time. Joel actually said the queen approves all laws and it isn't true, she has nothing to do with trade laws for example, which is the EU.
I think he would make a good council member but I would be very concerned if he even became a backbencher. Especially with his strange views on sexuality and emotional intelligence. Judging by various mutterings by former PMs the monarch has quite a bit of input into proposed legislation through their weekly meetings. The fact it can be seen as "rubber stamping" doesn't change the fact any Act requires the monarch's approval. |
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I think it's quite nice actually! Danny's said before that he's learnt loads off of Joel and it's better then watching loads of bitching and sniping!
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Royal assent is not approval by the queen, as some of you say it is a formality; the queen isn't there ruminating whether to approve a law; representatives do that for her automatically. Joel implied that the queen approves laws, and she doesn't. She is just a figurehead and ambassador. The fact that royalty has had nothing to do with the proposal of laws for so long shows quite clearly how much involvement the queen has.
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Yep. And nothing wrong in wanting to learn. Joel's age is irrelevant some people have genius status at 12.
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Royal assent is not approval by the queen, as some of you say it is a formality; the queen isn't there ruminating whether to approve a law; representatives do that for her automatically. Joel implied that the queen approves laws, and she doesn't. She is just a figurehead and ambassador. The fact that royalty has had nothing to do with the proposal of laws for so long shows quite clearly how much involvement the queen has.
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Joel stated fact, which is why you are now changing your tune to ''implied'' in a pointless attempt to save face. Factually, acts of Parliament need the Royal assent; it is a formality but the fact that it is a formality does not contradict what Joel said.
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Wind your neck in! No need to be like that. I haven't changed my tune at all, the queen does not approve laws. The royal assent thing isn't her personal approval; its delegated to a representative and automatic. Joel was wrong, sorry you don't seem to like that.
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Joel educating Danny typical tory got it wrong
London is not the financial capitol of the world New York or Tokyo more like We did not conquer the Falklands nor do we OWN lot's of islands And as for the constitutional monarchy well nearly right unfortunatly we have a heredity monarchy but no written constitution . |
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The law requires Letters Patent under the monarch's own hand granting assent.
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My point still stands, she doesn't personally approve laws, letters patent is for appointing peerage. A representative will automatically approve a law, it's a formality.
(1)An Act of Parliament is duly enacted if Her Majesty’s Assent thereto, being signified by Letters Patent under the Great Seal signed with Her Majesty’s own hand,— . (a)is pronounced in the presence of both Houses in the House of Lords in the form and manner customary before the passing of this Act; or . (b)is notified to each House of Parliament, sitting separately, by the Speaker of that House or in the case of his absence by the person acting as such Speaker. Royal Assent Act 1967 |
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EU directives etc are somewhat different since they are intended to deliver the objectives of EU Treaties and are amendments to the same which have already passed into UK law..
Judging by various mutterings by former PMs the monarch has quite a bit of input into proposed legislation through their weekly meetings. The fact it can be seen as "rubber stamping" doesn't change the fact any Act requires the monarch's approval. |
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To be fair you could tell Danny his own surname and you would be educating him
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Royal assent is not approval by the queen, as some of you say it is a formality; the queen isn't there ruminating whether to approve a law; representatives do that for her automatically. Joel implied that the queen approves laws, and she doesn't. She is just a figurehead and ambassador. The fact that royalty has had nothing to do with the proposal of laws for so long shows quite clearly how much involvement the queen has.
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One does not rise in a lift, the lift rises to one.
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That is not the case:
(1)An Act of Parliament is duly enacted if Her Majesty’s Assent thereto, being signified by Letters Patent under the Great Seal signed with Her Majesty’s own hand,— . (a)is pronounced in the presence of both Houses in the House of Lords in the form and manner customary before the passing of this Act; or . (b)is notified to each House of Parliament, sitting separately, by the Speaker of that House or in the case of his absence by the person acting as such Speaker. Royal Assent Act 1967 (2)Nothing in this section affects the power of Her Majesty to declare Her Royal Assent in person in Parliament, or the manner in which an Act of Parliament is required to be endorsed in Her Majesty’s name. It's getting a bit tiresome repeating the same thing to pedants who desperately want me to be wrong for some reason. Ask anyone in the House of Lords or commons and they will scoff at the notion of the queen personally approving laws. |
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Wind your neck in! No need to be like that. I haven't changed my tune at all, the queen does not approve laws. The royal assent thing isn't her personal approval; its delegated to a representative and automatic. Joel was wrong, sorry you don't seem to like that.
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