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Old 16-07-2015, 01:41
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Jack Sugden was such a nice family man. And Pat Sugden was such a good person who tragically died. Also Sarah who brought Robert up was good. Is it because of Sarah's death he has never forgiven Andy. Annie Sugden would be appalled if she saw what Robert was like now.
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Old 16-07-2015, 01:56
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I blame the scripts.
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Old 16-07-2015, 02:12
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Bitterness about the preferential treatment Andy received and him being responsible for Sarah's death etc?
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Old 16-07-2015, 06:01
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I'm a relatively recent viewer of Emmerdale and don't remember old Robert but I am absolutely loving evil Robert! The actor playing him is superb. I love his romance scenes with Aaron. He really gets stuck in! He's so menacing too. I hope he's around for a good long time.
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Old 16-07-2015, 06:22
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I blame the scripts.
LOL
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Old 16-07-2015, 07:38
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Bitterness about the preferential treatment Andy received and him being responsible for Sarah's death etc?
that's what i thought
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Old 16-07-2015, 07:40
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Bitterness about the preferential treatment Andy received and him being responsible for Sarah's death etc?
Pretty much this. He has a MASSIVE chip on his shoulder, feeling that his Dad didn't give him enough approval etc, and it's driven him to look for status, money, power and influence - and to hang onto it like crazy when he's got it. Being part of the White family is his absolute wet dream, so I can believe he'd do some pretty desperate things to hang onto it.

But yeah, recently he's been ramped up even more as Mr Evil by the writers because it's so much fun to watch Ryan do it.
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Old 16-07-2015, 08:11
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The truth is - narratively, we don't actually know, because the show hasn't really bothered to give us any narrative insight into the character since he returned.
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Old 16-07-2015, 08:19
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I'm a relatively recent viewer of Emmerdale and don't remember old Robert but I am absolutely loving evil Robert! The actor playing him is superb. I love his romance scenes with Aaron. He really gets stuck in! He's so menacing too. I hope he's around for a good long time.
There's nothing romantic about those scenes, it's just shagging. Robert has always made it clear to Aaron that's he's just a bit on the side..
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Old 16-07-2015, 08:27
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Pretty much this. He has a MASSIVE chip on his shoulder, feeling that his Dad didn't give him enough approval etc, and it's driven him to look for status, money, power and influence - and to hang onto it like crazy when he's got it. Being part of the White family is his absolute wet dream, so I can believe he'd do some pretty desperate things to hang onto it.

But yeah, recently he's been ramped up even more as Mr Evil by the writers because it's so much fun to watch Ryan do it.
Agree with this cyrilandshirley - and I'm loving to hate him at the minute. Sadly, with the way things appear to be going, I can't see any long-term future for him in the show, with the things which have been revealed about next week I can't see how he'll be staying.....
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Old 16-07-2015, 08:41
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Agree with this cyrilandshirley - and I'm loving to hate him at the minute. Sadly, with the way things appear to be going, I can't see any long-term future for him in the show, with the things which have been revealed about next week I can't see how he'll be staying.....
Everything he's done they've done with a way out. With Katie's death, it was a genuine accident, with Chas he stopped the hit-man, with Paddy he was drunk and turned off the machine. And next week he doesn't mean to shoot Paddy, plus miraculously

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They always push him to the edge but don't throw him over it so he can't be redeemed (depending on how you view the Katie stuff).
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Old 16-07-2015, 08:48
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Everything he's done they've done with a way out. With Katie's death, it was a genuine accident, with Chas he stopped the hit-man, with Paddy he was drunk and turned off the machine. And next week he doesn't mean to shoot Paddy, plus miraculously

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They always push him to the edge but don't throw him over it so he can't be redeemed (depending on how you view the Katie stuff).
That's good then - I'd hate to see him leave because he's been a real breath of fresh air since he came back - and if he and Chrissie do split it will then bring up some more interesting dynamics as he tries to sort himself out and get back on track with her.

I always feel that he's not evil as such, just frantically trying to keep all the plates spinning and reacting to each crisis to paper over the cracks.
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Old 16-07-2015, 08:50
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I blame the scripts.
Which have given him a complete personality transplant that has turned him into a completely different character. A believable quiet sly young man and serial shagger of women. Now he's a ridiculous panto tash twirling villian who only has eyes for Aaron.
Probably the most bastardised recast there's been in a soap.
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Old 16-07-2015, 08:56
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I absolutely love NuRobert! He's a vindictive, selfish, master manipulator. I started a similar thread a while ago asking if Robert was truly evil but the general consensus was that he was bitter and twisted but not actually evil. As another posted said, he never quite goes the whole hog with his evil intent. It always seems to fall short somehow, leaving him JUST redeemable (IMO)

He didn't murder or even kill Katie. He was however responsible for her death. If he'd pushed her off the edge of cliff, it might be different but he pushed her to the floor in a house....he wasn't to know she'd go straight through it!
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Old 16-07-2015, 09:05
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Everything he's done they've done with a way out. With Katie's death, it was a genuine accident, with Chas he stopped the hit-man, with Paddy he was drunk and turned off the machine. And next week he doesn't mean to shoot Paddy, plus miraculously

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They always push him to the edge but don't throw him over it so he can't be redeemed (depending on how you view the Katie stuff).
I agree.
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Old 16-07-2015, 09:50
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Pretty much this. He has a MASSIVE chip on his shoulder, feeling that his Dad didn't give him enough approval etc, and it's driven him to look for status, money, power and influence - and to hang onto it like crazy when he's got it. Being part of the White family is his absolute wet dream, so I can believe he'd do some pretty desperate things to hang onto it.

But yeah, recently he's been ramped up even more as Mr Evil by the writers because it's so much fun to watch Ryan do it.
I don't think he's evil but all that would make someone like Robert very bitter
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:28
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Which have given him a complete personality transplant that has turned him into a completely different character. A believable quiet sly young man and serial shagger of women. Now he's a ridiculous panto tash twirling villian who only has eyes for Aaron.
Probably the most bastardised recast there's been in a soap.
Do you think that's true though Spunger? To me it looks like he doesn't actually even LIKE Aaron!! Thinks he's fit perhaps, and enjoys a quick roll in the hay with him, but has no qualms in letting him know that he'll never be more than that.

I think Robert (in his own weird way) does love Chrissie, and wants to be with her fully, but he just can't shake off his lust for 'hot scrapyard chav' Aaron!
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:39
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There's nothing romantic about those scenes, it's just shagging. Robert has always made it clear to Aaron that's he's just a bit on the side..

Ah well that is what he says. I think we will see that deep down he has sincere feelings towards Aaron. If you are deep in the closet admitting you have feelings for someone of the same gender it kind of nullifies your absolute refusal to admit you are gay.
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:48
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Ah well that is what he says. I think we will see that deep down he has sincere feelings towards Aaron. If you are deep in the closet admitting you have feelings for someone of the same gender it kind of nullifies your absolute refusal to admit you are gay.
Sorry, I disagree. Robert doesn't have sincere feelings for anyone - he just uses people for what he can get from them. From Aaron it's sex, from Chrissie and Lawrence it's money, prestige etc. Maybe I'll be proved wrong eventually but this is how he comes across to me.
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:51
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Ah well that is what he says. I think we will see that deep down he has sincere feelings towards Aaron. If you are deep in the closet admitting you have feelings for someone of the same gender it kind of nullifies your absolute refusal to admit you are gay.
I think it would take the edge off Robert if they just suddenly turned him gay and enter into a relationship with Aaron.

IMO, Robert is bisexual. I think he loves Chrissie and everything she can offer him, but does fancy Aaron and is possibly quite fond of him. He treats Aaron with such disdain & contempt though, that you could be right, internalized homophobia and self loathing are all part of the acceptance process for some people!
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Old 16-07-2015, 11:04
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Bitterness about the preferential treatment Andy received and him being responsible for Sarah's death etc?
Yes.

If I was him, I would be bitter as well.

I'm still waiting for Andy to be punished for everything he has done, which we are apparently supposed to have forgotten about
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Old 16-07-2015, 11:04
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Agree with this cyrilandshirley - and I'm loving to hate him at the minute. Sadly, with the way things appear to be going, I can't see any long-term future for him in the show, with the things which have been revealed about next week I can't see how he'll be staying.....
Oh, they'll find a way, he's their golden goose at the moment, even Aaron haters like me love Robert . The really big reveal will be the Katie one though - because it'll blow apart his relationship with Andy and the rest of his family, and surely he'll have to be tried for manslaughter for it. Not sure how they'll bring him back with that.

Sorry, I disagree. Robert doesn't have sincere feelings for anyone - he just uses people for what he can get from them. From Aaron it's sex, from Chrissie and Lawrence it's money, prestige etc. Maybe I'll be proved wrong eventually but this is how he comes across to me.
They play Robert right down the middle, don't they? One minute he gets just smushy enough with Aaron to keep the Robron fans happy, the next minute he treats him like absolute crap, and the rest of us get back the nasty piece of work we enjoy watching. God knows what'll happen if/when they finally get off the pot with him. But I agree with your interpretation - he's out for what he can get, and really doesn't understand love.
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Old 16-07-2015, 11:06
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Yes.

If I was him, I would be bitter as well.

I'm still waiting for Andy to be punished for everything he has done, which we are apparently supposed to have forgotten about
Andy did talk about his abuse of Jo a couple of weeks back, when Sam asked him. He said there was nothing he could ever do to make up for it. I thought it was a pretty good scene, actually. I liked how they revisited it after his accident as well.
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Old 16-07-2015, 11:13
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Andy did talk about his abuse of Jo a couple of weeks back, when Sam asked him. He said there was nothing he could ever do to make up for it. I thought it was a pretty good scene, actually. I liked how they revisited it after his accident as well.
I think Andy's abuse of Jo is one of the best referenced story lines in soap! He never goes more than a few months without being reminded of it by someone!

Robert gave him holy hell when he first arrived about all the shit that happened with Jack, and how Andy was responsible for the death of his mother, so whilst Andy is now presented as the doting father and lovable farmer, his past never seems too far away, ready to catch up with him an ruin his future.
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Old 16-07-2015, 12:43
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Do you think that's true though Spunger? To me it looks like he doesn't actually even LIKE Aaron!! Thinks he's fit perhaps, and enjoys a quick roll in the hay with him, but has no qualms in letting him know that he'll never be more than that.

I think Robert (in his own weird way) does love Chrissie, and wants to be with her fully, but he just can't shake off his lust for 'hot scrapyard chav' Aaron!
Yeah but you could say the same how his with Chrissie too that he doesn't seem to like or respect her much either.
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