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Old 16-07-2015, 09:36
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Nick made the most insightful comment, about how Cristian was caught in two minds. If he did it, it could give people the wrong impression. If he didn't, people might mock him and think he has a problem with being gay, or with gay people. I think he just went with the option that would get him the least grief in there during their last couple of days.

I think he only did it to shut Joel and the others up. If he hadn't moved, they'd probably have kept teasing him and pushing him to do it. He was clearly tired and just wanted to sleep. I'm not sure if he was already asleep when Joel and the others started talking to him?

I just don't get why teasing people in that way is considered funny by some? I didn't like it when some of them did it to Joel with Aaron earlier in the series, and I didn't like that with Cristian either.
I didn't think it was funny , I thought it was creepy of Joel

With all the empty beds , Cristian shouldn't have moved . I dislike Joel and I think he's arrogant and disillusioned , and he's going to get a shock in the real world where people aren't going to hang on his every word and be impressed by him or tell him how amazing he is , like his mum probably has.

He's not very bright at all , he's a product of private school probably and whether he is or not what I see is someone who lacks social skills IMO - he talks but doesn't listen and thinks he's right all the time and that's not a good quality in someone his age .

There's confidence and arrogance and Joel's just arrogant.
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Old 16-07-2015, 09:38
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It's not really the same and Aaron taunting Joel though, is it? Firstly, Joel was fully clothed. The most uncomfortable thing about the Aaron situation was that there was 10 other housemates all egging Aaron on, Joel was clearly extremely uncomfortable and didn't know how to deal with it.

Cristian and Joel have been seen in bed together plenty of times. It's only now its been highlighted that Cristian seems uncomfortable about it - he's being rather precious and defensive.
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Old 16-07-2015, 09:45
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It's not really the same and Aaron taunting Joel though, is it? Firstly, Joel was fully clothed. The most uncomfortable thing about the Aaron situation was that there was 10 other housemates all egging Aaron on, Joel was clearly extremely uncomfortable and didn't know how to deal with it.

Cristian and Joel have been seen in bed together plenty of times. It's only now its been highlighted that Cristian seems uncomfortable about it - he's being rather precious and defensive.
Joel was hassling or harassing , however you look at it for Cristian to get into his bed , doesn't matter that he wasn't naked ! -

Cristian was lying down ready to sleep and Joel went on and on at him, and you must have watched something else as I saw the others teasing Cristian to get into Joel' s bed.

Of course Aaron went too far as he was naked pressing himself up against him, but it makes you think what Joel did in way of encouragement playing around with Aaron now.
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Old 16-07-2015, 09:49
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Joel was hassling or harassing , however you look at it for Cristian to get into his bed , doesn't matter that he wasn't naked ! -

Cristian was lying down ready to sleep and Joel went on and on at him, and you must have watched something else as I saw the others teasing Cristian to get into Joel' s bed.

Of course Aaron went too far as he was naked pressing himself up against him, but it makes you think what Joel did in way of encouragement playing around with Aaron now.
Cristian got into his bed, how can you say it's the same situation?! It's like saying Joel went up to Aaron whilst he was naked and pressed himself all over him.

Don't get me wrong, I can see why people would draw parallels but let's be realistic, it's not the same. Aaron and Joel were not naked together all the time, Cristian and Joel are in bed together all the time. It's only now the Cristian has heard about how it looks on the outside that he's being so funny about it.
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:05
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Joel fancies Christian big time, his logic for getting Christian into bed was so odd it did not make any sense it was nonsical for an " inteligent guy" to give the reason he gave ,Danny and Nick kind of egged Christian on so in the end he went over to his bed but he did not look happy. he was trying to wrap his quilt around him,Joel was still touching the quilt to were it should be,,it was uncomfortable watching Joel last night he was very manipulative and creepy.
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:06
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He's not very bright at all , he's a product of private school probably and whether he is or not what I see is someone who lacks social skills IMO - he talks but doesn't listen and thinks he's right all the time and that's not a good quality in someone his age .

There's confidence and arrogance and Joel's just arrogant.
I would think that being part of a private school, especially a boarding school, is probably going to increase social skills. I don't see any relevance to anything about the fact he may or may not have been educated at a private school...
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:09
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I think Cristian's just a nice guy really , and he's so vain , he may even be flattered by Joel's attention !
I don't see that reasoning. People as good-looking as Cristian are used to getting a lot of attention and are therefore far less likely to be flattered by it of have their head turned by it. Compare how Nick responded to any attention from any woman with how Cristian responded to the attentions of Jade and others.
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:14
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People that don't like Joel will use this as another thing to make him look bad.

Have people suddenly forgot about this?...

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-6...et-pillow-talk

They've shared a bed before, it's harmless.
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:15
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:20
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They've slept in the same bed the night previous...

Cristian heard about the Jistian/Croel thing and decided to hop it back into a seperate bed...

Joel is getting him to sleep in his bed, to prove to the viewers that nothing is happening.

(If anything this just made Cristian seem a tad homophobic)
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:22
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I think he was just winding Christian up, they all were, Christian must have been very drunk or very easily manipulated
I agree that he was just winding Christian up.
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:25
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Let me get this right, Joel wanted to get Cristian into his bed to prove to the viewers nothing would happen between them and they would control themselves? am I understanding this right?! Like any of the viewers would actually think they are anything more than good friends

I like both of them as individuals, they're my top 2 in there, but I was so baffled at that reasoning Joel needed to come up with something better than that
He was winding Cristian up because Cristian was freaking out that people might think they were gay. I thought it was really funny
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:25
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I don't buy that - If Joel was joking he'd have let up by time Cristian got into his bed he'd have told him he was joking , Joel went too far, he got creepy.
How ridiculous, of course Joel was winding him up. He was having a laugh with all the other HMs about it. Even his comment "I want to be your big spoon" was clearly a wind up.
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:25
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It's not really the same and Aaron taunting Joel though, is it? Firstly, Joel was fully clothed. The most uncomfortable thing about the Aaron situation was that there was 10 other housemates all egging Aaron on, Joel was clearly extremely uncomfortable and didn't know how to deal with it.

Cristian and Joel have been seen in bed together plenty of times. It's only now its been highlighted that Cristian seems uncomfortable about it - he's being rather precious and defensive.
The situations were different but yet Joel never removed himself from the situation with Aaron. He stuck around to see how it would play out. He had every opportunity to walk out the bedroom. He didnt. He stayed
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:25
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It was just Joel ramping it up for airtime after hearing the remarks from the BOTS viewer.
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:29
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The situations were different but yet Joel never removed himself from the situation with Aaron. He stuck around to see how it would play out. He had every opportunity to walk out the bedroom. He didnt. He stayed
Wasn't the bedroom locked until Aaron got called in?

That's why Joel shouted out that he felt stuck.
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:42
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Wasn't the bedroom locked until Aaron got called in?

That's why Joel shouted out that he felt stuck.
I am not sure. But Joel went into the bathroom to put some spray on. He could of easily of stayed there. Instead he went back in. But you couldn't see everyone in the bedroom when it all took place. It's all down to how it was edited.

But then you would ask big brother to be allowed to leave the room to avoid the situation, even if it was locked. Joel was not out of options at all. Joel was apparently so bothered by it, it had to be big brother who stopped it, not Joel himself.
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:50
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People that don't like Joel will use this as another thing to make him look bad.

Have people suddenly forgot about this?...

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-6...et-pillow-talk

They've shared a bed before, it's harmless.
If a person is ok with it, I'd say it's pretty harmless. But in this particular instance, I think it was quite clear that Cristian wasn't ok with it. It doesn't really matter if they've laid in/shared a bed together before, if a person is clearly uncomfortable or annoyed by something, that's what matters. And my annoyance over it is aimed at all of them who were teasing Cristian, not just Joel.

On your comment about it making Cristian seem homophobic - that's exactly the point Nick was making and what Cristian agreed with. He was in a no-win situation.
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:53
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If a person is ok with it, I'd say it's pretty harmless. But in this particular instance, I think it was quite clear that Cristian wasn't ok with it. It doesn't really matter if they've laid in a bed together before (they'd not slept a whole night in a bed together before then, had they?). If a person is clearly uncomfortable or annoyed by something, that's what matters. And my annoyance over it is aimed at all of them who were teasing Cristian, not just Joel.
But overall it is silly, isn't it?

They are all so comfortable with each other because of living together for so long.
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:53
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Tory boy's in denial otherwise he would just let the matter drop, instead he brought it up insisting that Cristian should get in his bed "to prove people wrong".

Er no slut dropping boy, it just confirms it otherwise you wouldn't let it bother you.
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:54
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Let me get this right, Joel wanted to get Cristian into his bed to prove to the viewers nothing would happen between them and they would control themselves? am I understanding this right?! Like any of the viewers would actually think they are anything more than good friends

I like both of them as individuals, they're my top 2 in there, but I was so baffled at that reasoning Joel needed to come up with something better than that
It's hilarious, it's practically Craig and Anfony all over again. Let's not mention the travesty of Aaron.
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:56
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When something is funny, it remains funny when done the once. When it's done more than once, it becomes pathetic and silly. Which is what Joel is doing with the slut drop. It also doesn't look good when a man who declared he is "proud hetrosexual" does it, when the majority of the people who do the slut drop are women and gay men. Just saying. It's clear his mother and sister have influenced who he is as a person on a feminine level. I am sure his father is really the only man in that household. He's downstairs watching top gear, while those three are upstairs quoting lines from The Golden Girls dvd boxsets.
BIB - Wow!

You do realise how homophobic that sounds, don't you?
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Old 16-07-2015, 10:59
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BIB - Wow!

You do realise how homophobic that sounds, don't you?
Oh please, if you want to see proper hurtful illegal homophobic remarks, I'll show you the screenshots of the hate pages my friends have had created about them. Get a grip
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Old 16-07-2015, 11:15
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Oh please, if you want to see proper hurtful illegal homophobic remarks, I'll show you the screenshots of the hate pages my friends have had created about them. Get a grip
You are, literally, saying that an effeminate, or camp, man is not a man.

The fact that worse things are said, does not negate that fact.

Get a grip, yourself.
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Old 16-07-2015, 11:20
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You are, literally, saying that a gay man is not a man.

The fact that worse things are said, does not negate that fact.

Get a grip, yourself.
Oh is that what i said?
That's odd, i can't find where i said those exact words.
I think you have made you own assumptions there.

That's down to your own paranoia and insecurities.

Bow down.
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