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What realistically can BB do? Please support the dream!
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yellowfurbaby
17-07-2015
They've had to cut this season short due to low voting and low advertising revenues. So it's been reported BB have been forced to take drastic action to do these crazy twists to bring in money.
However was the money generated so low because the series cast was so bad? They knew in advance the title of BB wAs time bombed so some of these stunts must have been pre planned.

As a true fan of BB I would like a pure series. Barely any twists or gimmicks.
This is my dream series.

1) 16 HMs at the start. No new blood. However make sure correct interesting HM are chosen. No boring pretty people. Let's have a lively mix of ages, genders, sexuality and ethnicity. Boring dullards piss off.
2) BB stop getting involved in every argument and every slightly risky comment. You don't have to leave let it go as far as fight night way back but FFS leave them alone and stop the meaningless warnings
3) 4 most nominated HM up every week and then a vote to save.
4) please please no fake evictions/secret rooms *yawn*
5) no pass to final. No safe nominations
6) nominations stay secret adding to suspicion and paranoia
7) NO NO NO real world contact. Stop telling the HM what the outside world think!!!
8) LIVE FEED!!!!! Even a couple of hours a day. Even shown online. Anything at all pleaseeeeeeeee.

Basically do you think by leaving HM alone and letting them develop as per old days it'd make more interesting watching and maybe increase revenue. We are ready for this again. What do you think
Ocean Breeze
17-07-2015
I think they absolutely need to stop with the outside influences. No more letting others into the house, be they family or ex HM's, and IMHO they need stop them hearing the boo's and cheer's. If they have no idea of how they are being perceived we may just see the real people we are expected to vote for.
Sunnydays
17-07-2015
Stop trying to attract TOWIE and Geordie Shore viewers to the detriment of everyone else. Not all of us like that sort of programme. Aren't we deluged enough with Made in Chelsea and the like. These programmes are done to death, but the icons such as BB are being treated like trash t.v.
jim_lyons
17-07-2015
I think it needs to regain focus and accept the fact that BB is a gameshow.

It should be harder and more gruelling for the contestants - if they are competing for £100k + then the "process" should really test them.

It is not a social club. It is not a social experiment.

Get real contestants who want to win the cash, not wannabe E-listers who have an agent and an agenda.

Have two houses at the start - weed out the deadwood within a couple of weeks then combine the two. More housemates to choose from = more bases covered.

BRING BACK THE LIVE FEED - it gives the whole show some much needed depth.

Just a few off the cuff.
Moomin STFC
17-07-2015
Originally Posted by Sunnydays:
“Stop trying to attract TOWIE and Geordie Shore viewers to the detriment of everyone else. Not all of us like that sort of programme. Aren't we deluged enough with Made in Chelsea and the like. These programmes are done to death, but the icons such as BB are being treated like trash t.v.”

So much this.
But all the things the OP has said too - and absolutely NO NO NO outside contact - not even F+F noms.
applepie1
17-07-2015
Yes, guaranteed secret nominations would be refreshing and no outside influences, no recruits other than through authentic auditions and definitely no more manipulation and fixes. The series could be themed 'back to basics'. And I'd immediately evict anyone who started a romance in the house.
Ocean Breeze
17-07-2015
Originally Posted by jim_lyons:
“I think it needs to regain focus and accept the fact that BB is a gameshow.

It should be harder and more gruelling for the contestants - if they are competing for £100k + then the "process" should really test them.

It is not a social club. It is not a social experiment.

Get real contestants who want to win the cash, not wannabe E-listers who have an agent and an agenda.

Have two houses at the start - weed out the deadwood within a couple of weeks then combine the two. More housemates to choose from = more bases covered.

BRING BACK THE LIVE FEED - it gives the whole show some much needed depth.

Just a few off the cuff.”

I actually think the two houses at the start is a good idea. Put x amount of people in and let us vote who we want to go through to the main house.
AngelJean
17-07-2015
I agree with all you say although I am not bothered about the live feed.

I would also like to see them have longer luxury/basic food rations tasks. I am sure in the early days they went on for most of the week. Then they got their rations and a few days break before it al started again. I liked the hotel task this week but would have preferred it without the outside guests.

Also, when they are on basic rations stop giving them treats. From what I could see this year they got alcohol every night and regularly had food brought in.

Yet when a list of there items bought for a luxury budget were shown on the web page there was no alcohol noted and I don't think there was tobacco either.
Conall Cearnach
17-07-2015
Stop showing HMs in the Diary room to the other HMs.
Stop the "Who did the public vote the most manipulative?" type tasks.
Stop messing with noms all the time and only have unusual noms like face to face very rarely or for a punishment.
CLL Dodge
17-07-2015
Well they had a new Creative Director for BB16. He was clearly a disaster, not that I expect him to jump or be booted out.

They need to realise that it's the characters in the show that create the drama, not the bloody twists.
M_J2
17-07-2015
I just get the feeling that C5 as a channel is better suited for "Towie/ITVbe" type of audience and i think that dictates the way BB is going to be. Fans of the style you described (very close to C4 BB) i doubt are going to be enough for C5, i doubt those types of people are going to stick around and watch C5's other shows, which is what they would want.
CLL Dodge
17-07-2015
Originally Posted by jim_lyons:
“I think it needs to regain focus and accept the fact that BB is a gameshow.”

And games need rules. They can't keep changing them purely to favour selected housemates.
But
17-07-2015
Employe a successful producer from the channel 4 days and go old school
happybbfan
17-07-2015
Originally Posted by CLL Dodge:
“Well they had a new Creative Director for BB16. He was clearly a disaster, not that I expect him to jump or be booted out.

They need to realise that it's the characters in the show that create the drama, not the bloody twists.”

Dennis O Connor may have been new to being Creative Director but he was a producer on BB11 so should have known what would work and more importantly what to do when something isn't working.
I expect heads to roll and Viacom to either axe BB or make massive changes that is if they really care enough.
CLL Dodge
17-07-2015
Originally Posted by happybbfan:
“Dennis O Connor may have been new to being Creative Director but he was a producer on BB11 so should have known what would work and more importantly what to do when something isn't working.”

BB11 was the one withthe quadruple eviction, the most hated twist in BB history.

So he sure learned his lesson.
jim_lyons
17-07-2015
I'm no Live Feed fanatic, but it would go some way to countering the ridiculous editing power that the producers of the Highlights show wield. Only a few people would actually be watching the feed at any one time, but it would help keep the whole thing a little more honest.

I think the big problem they face with treats etc. is that they are almost essential to get any action of any kind going - sober, hungry housemates = moping, tired, sleeping housemates.

I used to hate it when they got a "surprise" party every night, but to be honest, sadly, the alcohol seems to be their only way of spicing things up in the house - They certainly need to get a lot more creative and - as many people have already alluded to - that whole process would benefit from much, much, much better "casting" in the first place.
yellowfurbaby
17-07-2015
Casting is the key. Back in say BB3,5 and 6 (all my personal favorites) it was the cast that made it. There were twists as the horrid fake evictions and secret house started back then. But then it was new and shocking. Now it's the normal. We are expecting it and so are the HMs. It's boring and done to absolute death.
As I said in my OP leave alone and let them get on with it. It is a show that in theory should be made by itself if you have the correct cast. I really really hope next time they leave out the pretty looking dead wood.
Halki
17-07-2015
I wish the producers would read every comment here and act on what has been said.

Some hope!
qwerty_1234
17-07-2015
Whilst I do agree with a lot of the changes (or back to basics ideas) here, I think some fresh ideas are needed to keep the series fresh. I enjoy the idea of two houses with 8 housemates each and maybe being combined to make one full house after a period of time.

I think that, along with:
- Traditional nominations, with ONE lot of face to face in the latter half of the show when relationships are at their strongest.
- Confidential diary room. Housemates are more likely to be guarded in there because they know that Big Brother will broadcast whatever they say. make it confidential again and we will see more honesty.
- Little outside influence. I don't really agree with the polls and results being brought into the house. A booing and cheering crowd can be entertaining, and I quite like when new housemates or old housemates come in and stir things up as it makes things a bit interesting. With a new environment I think we'd see a more natural reaction to things like that.
- More interesting tasks. Not so much conflict based - more situation based, like the hotel task which was by far the best task this year along with the dark room task.
- A refined casting process. I think anybody with an agent should indeed be put forward, but the audition process needs to be fair and nobody should be fast tracked. I think, at the minute, they have a set type of character in mind IE: the essex boy, a "normal" girl, a glamour model, token gay, token ghetto man, token eccentric older character, the house dad etc. and then they fill in the blanks with pretty people or wannabees. The most interesting characters are the ones we've not had before - take Joel, as far as housemates go he's something we've not really seen before. I'm all for a diverse range of characters, we need as much personality in there as we can get, but let go of the gimmicks people attach to themselves and put some genuinely fascinating housemates forward.
- STOP ENCOURAGING CONFLICT! I'm all for a bit of prompting the housemates and steering them to be more entertaining but I think for as much conflict we have, we need some genuine humour, some low-key funny moments, developing friendships etc.
- Discourage romance/showmance. It's boring, and it never does anybody any favours. I don't think we can ban it or anything, but a lot of times it feels forced by Big Brother and the housemates. Let relationships develop naturally.
- Less manipulation in the editing. It's been claimed several times with some housemates in past series that there are conspiracies/links to production teams. This sort of thing builds mistrust in viewers. We need less of it as people don't vote because they feel it won't make a difference. Why would I vote for Joel if I felt that Chloe was the favoured option?

I'm sure I will think of more things - don't forget viewers are more accustom to a faster paced story these days so I'm not sure going back to basics would work. I think this sort of method of production would bring viewers back gradually across a few series.
Penny Crayon
17-07-2015
I kind of liked the chronological order of the day type highlight show. It's now all spun around current/controversial storylines. A beginning, middle and end to the HL with all HM's getting relatively equal coverage would give us a proper idea of what's going on.

NEVER/EVER reveal diary room footage.

NORMAL secret nominations.

No outside info and no antagonistic who said what stuff.

And LF please.
James32
17-07-2015
I'm not opposed occasionally to having twists on the concepts like outside information, revealing nominations, etc when its done with restraint. It has in the past provided some entertainment value, and the show at the end is supposed to be entertaining.

Unfortunately, the producers seem to have a bag of like six tricks that they know and go back to them over and over and over again. I think they should return to the basic concept and make a list of twists they've overused (fake evictions, revealing nominations/conversations, outside guests, tweets from the public, manipulating the prize fund) and ban them for a series. Any twists they want to do should be something that is totally new and not a variation of one on the ban list.

At least that would freshen up the show. It's pretty bad when there's not a single week of a Big Brother series that follows the actual format. Every week has some "twist" that we've seen every year for 5 years.
Barracute
17-07-2015
1) No immunity passes EVER
2) No outside contact whatsever - hms should never see or speak to anyone but BB
3) No fake evictions - done to death now
4) All noms in DR and to stay secret
5) Confirm before launch correct process for noms (i.e how many hms will be up each week (plus ties) and always stick to the same number regardless of how the noms pan out.
6) Bring back the shopping list
7) If a hm asks to leave give them 24hrs to think it over and then comeback to the DR on the understanding that if they still want to leave then, they will leave immediately.
8) Be firm with rule breaks, first offence, banned from noms, second offence automatically face next vote (if already facing a vote when this happens will face next vote should they surviive), third offence instant removal
9) No replacement hms, after launch night no other hms enter
10) Always make it clear how many hms will be voted out before the lines open and if another hm may be evicted by other means make this clear at the same time.
11) Absolutely no discussion (or revealing) of noms whatsoever (see rule 8 for punishments same applies to this!)
12) All DR convs to remain private and not played back to the hms.
flower 2
17-07-2015
Originally Posted by applepie1:
“Yes, guaranteed secret nominations would be refreshing and no outside influences, no recruits other than through authentic auditions and definitely no more manipulation and fixes. The series could be themed 'back to basics'. And I'd immediately evict anyone who started a romance in the house.”


Separate bedrooms make them 'work' at their romances......
yellowfurbaby
21-07-2015
Some really good ideas. Oh please pleas producers read this thread and take note.
Tall Paul
21-07-2015
The managing director of inital needs to clear off as well as he thought the new hms at the time who were harry, marc, Sam and the return of simon were amazing when I thought they weren't very good at all. Harry and Sam had their good points, but I didn't rate marc or simon at all. I thought marc and simon were too up themselves and loved to antagonise situations.
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