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What realistically can BB do? Please support the dream!
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Tall Paul
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by James32:
“I'm not opposed occasionally to having twists on the concepts like outside information, revealing nominations, etc when its done with restraint. It has in the past provided some entertainment value, and the show at the end is supposed to be entertaining.

Unfortunately, the producers seem to have a bag of like six tricks that they know and go back to them over and over and over again. I think they should return to the basic concept and make a list of twists they've overused (fake evictions, revealing nominations/conversations, outside guests, tweets from the public, manipulating the prize fund) and ban them for a series. Any twists they want to do should be something that is totally new and not a variation of one on the ban list.

At least that would freshen up the show. It's pretty bad when there's not a single week of a Big Brother series that follows the actual format. Every week has some "twist" that we've seen every year for 5 years.”

Email what you have said in this post to both endemol and c5 in exact words as that'll tell em that their wrong in the way their going about managing bb.
Tall Paul
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by CLL Dodge:
“BB11 was the one withthe quadruple eviction, the most hated twist in BB history.

So he sure learned his lesson.”

I don't think he has a clue how to run bb properly really. He is just doing it to get it on his CV really. He just seems to have this lazy attitude to the show and it's not on.
lon_chaney
21-07-2015
They need to maintain the isolation of the housemates from the outside world. This years BB they were so aware of the outside world it was like they were all constantly maintaining a facade for the camera.
Add to this BB should not be their mate and should not offer them solace in their moments of distress. Any acts of recklesslessness like invading the camera runs should be strongly punished with removal.
If the housemates really need comfort then by all means have a qualified counsillor on hand.
As others have said the hms need to be genuinely tested and as they go through the process they should be relying on each other not focusing on the outside world as there anchor.
This years bb was a circus with a revolving door of people coming into the house - absolutely ridiculous.
Tall Paul
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by lon_chaney:
“They need to maintain the isolation of the housemates from the outside world. This years BB they were so aware of the outside world it was like they were all constantly maintaining a facade for the camera.
Add to this BB should not be their mate and should not offer them solace in their moments of distress. Any acts of recklesslessness like invading the camera runs should be strongly punished with removal.
If the housemates really need comfort then by all means have a qualified counsillor on hand.
As others have said the hms need to be genuinely tested and as they go through the process they should be relying on each other not focusing on the outside world as there anchor.
This years bb was a circus with a revolving door of people coming into the house - absolutely ridiculous.”

Think the production team will never learn from those mistakes. They think the idiotic twists will bring in ratings, their sums don't add up at all.
fredster
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by yellowfurbaby:
“Some really good ideas. Oh please pleas producers read this thread and take note.”

May I also suggest,
No obvious favourites by the producers, Emma andRylan.
Strictly no comments by the Producers about who they like and hope will win.
Last year we saw Helen get a pass to the final, this year Marc given preferential treatment.
And please housemates wearing clothes at all times in the house.Harrys thong and bare boobs was not attractive.
BeeBumble
21-07-2015
Get some better tasks! When people mention their favourite tasks who has ever said 'oh that one where they had to guess who said what behind their back'. No one ever! Yet it's recycled constantly.
Tall Paul
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by BeeBumble:
“Get some better tasks! When people mention their favourite tasks who has ever said 'oh that one where they had to guess who said what behind their back'. No one ever! Yet it's recycled constantly.”

The creative director is anything but creative in making good tasks, pfffffftt.
lon_chaney
22-07-2015
Originally Posted by jim_lyons:
“I think it needs to regain focus and accept the fact that BB is a gameshow.

It should be harder and more gruelling for the contestants - if they are competing for £100k + then the "process" should really test them.

It is not a social club. It is not a social experiment.

Get real contestants who want to win the cash, not wannabe E-listers who have an agent and an agenda.

Have two houses at the start - weed out the deadwood within a couple of weeks then combine the two. More housemates to choose from = more bases covered.

BRING BACK THE LIVE FEED - it gives the whole show some much needed depth.

Just a few off the cuff.”

Agreed - next year should be BB Guantanamo. White room sleep deprivation starvation etc.
Eve Elle
22-07-2015
Originally Posted by lon_chaney:
“Agreed - next year should be BB Guantanamo. White room sleep deprivation starvation etc.”

You can laugh about it but there are times when the viewing public have shown themselves to be, collectively, scarily sadistic.
wotnot
22-07-2015
BB has been killed by the constant manipulation of the contestants, nominations and voting system. The producers have got carried away thinking viewers want something akin to TOWIE with drama and sexual tension when in reality what we want is a game show that is competed in fairly without interference of the procedure. People won't pay money to vote otherwise.
devizesd
22-07-2015
I agree that the trick to a decent BB is in the casting.

But that it would be very difficult now to get a decent cast assembled for the show. The only people that seem to be interested are those with z list aspirations. Sadly the 'normal' people just don't seem to be up for it anymore - mainly because BB has become a largely discredited joke.

Personally I think we can never go back - which is a shame because it used to be brilliant. So sadly I think it is time for civilian BB to go on a hiatus. Then after a decent amount of time, probably 5 years or so would do it, BB can return with a relatively (not completely) clean slate.

When that happens I think that it should come back as 2 separate shows. The TOWIE BB which we have now can continue but should be branded as such. Also on a much lower key - maybe as an online experiment - old school traditional BB could return. The low profile nature of this would hopefully attract less fame hungry and more interesting people to the show and it would be run along traditional BB lines, maybe even have live feed.

It might work, it might not but one thing is for certain that what is happening now is not working and come the end of the contract it is more than likely that BB will be gone forever.
Purple.
22-07-2015
Originally Posted by yellowfurbaby:
“Casting is the key. Back in say BB3,5 and 6 (all my personal favorites) it was the cast that made it. There were twists as the horrid fake evictions and secret house started back then. But then it was new and shocking. Now it's the normal. We are expecting it and so are the HMs. It's boring and done to absolute death.
As I said in my OP leave alone and let them get on with it. It is a show that in theory should be made by itself if you have the correct cast. I really really hope next time they leave out the pretty looking dead wood.”

Totally agree.
MistyEyes321
22-07-2015
Originally Posted by yellowfurbaby:
“They've had to cut this season short due to low voting and low advertising revenues. So it's been reported BB have been forced to take drastic action to do these crazy twists to bring in money.
However was the money generated so low because the series cast was so bad? They knew in advance the title of BB wAs time bombed so some of these stunts must have been pre planned.

As a true fan of BB I would like a pure series. Barely any twists or gimmicks.
This is my dream series.

1) 16 HMs at the start. No new blood. However make sure correct interesting HM are chosen. No boring pretty people. Let's have a lively mix of ages, genders, sexuality and ethnicity. Boring dullards piss off.
2) BB stop getting involved in every argument and every slightly risky comment. You don't have to leave let it go as far as fight night way back but FFS leave them alone and stop the meaningless warnings
3) 4 most nominated HM up every week and then a vote to save.
4) please please no fake evictions/secret rooms *yawn*
5) no pass to final. No safe nominations
6) nominations stay secret adding to suspicion and paranoia
7) NO NO NO real world contact. Stop telling the HM what the outside world think!!!
8) LIVE FEED!!!!! Even a couple of hours a day. Even shown online. Anything at all pleaseeeeeeeee.

Basically do you think by leaving HM alone and letting them develop as per old days it'd make more interesting watching and maybe increase revenue. We are ready for this again. What do you think”

The very people who have spoiled bb is the fans not the producers for once lets be really honest here.

The producers no matter what they do isn't ever good enough & the slightest thing we don't agree with & were bitching & moaning & even going as far as to contact Ofcom & complain!

I agree with most of the above 100% but the fans also have to take the blame for their part in this show.
We get boring housemates because most of us don't like controversial housemates & only want to see the get along crew.

In life we have a variety of friends some younger some older some outspoken some timid etc etc etc, & we are all attracted to different people for different reasons, It doesn't make us a bad person if we know someone who has done bad things in life. It just means we like this person because of who they are & not what we want them to be!
We need to get back to bb running this show not the fans. I hope you can make sense of what I am trying to say?
lon_chaney
22-07-2015
Originally Posted by Eve Elle:
“You can laugh about it but there are times when the viewing public have shown themselves to be, collectively, scarily sadistic. ”

The more i dislike the hms the more sadistic i become - this year the hms were so unrewarding i found my sadistic inclinations quite running riot .
coreyseville
22-07-2015
I made a tweet pretty much on this topic with the changes I think BB should make next year:
https://twitter.com/coreyseville/sta...69743131348994

Judging by the reactions from people I think a lot of people are ready and wanting change after the last two series'

Another change I had in mind but forgot to add while typing up my ideas was to keep nominations private. Now I don't mean HMs go into the Diary room to nominate so its all private (that should always be the rule anyway!) what I mean is don't let the HMs know who is facing eviction each week...keep it quite. This is will stop the boring people playing up to the cameras just because they are nominated, will stop the constant obsession with who nominated who and also leaves the HMs totally blank about their fate in the house. Have ALL HMs pack for eviction night and don't reveal the HMs facing the public vote until Emma says "Big Brother House this is Emma...(Insert housemates name here)"
Eve Elle
22-07-2015
Originally Posted by lon_chaney:
“The more i dislike the hms the more sadistic i become - this year the hms were so unrewarding i found my sadistic inclinations quite running riot .”

Lol. That's just evil dude. Pretty funny, but evil all the same.

I see a lot of people are looking for BB to go old skool? I honestly don't think that would get the ratings, media has changed so much over the years. I can only see old skool BB appealing to a minority and shows have to appeal to as many people as possible in order to be financially viable. Sorry guys.
jp761
22-07-2015
Originally Posted by Eve Elle:
“Lol. That's just evil dude. Pretty funny, but evil all the same.

I see a lot of people are looking for BB to go old skool? I honestly don't think that would get the ratings, media has changed so much over the years. I can only see old skool BB appealing to a minority and shows have to appeal to as many people as possible in order to be financially viable. Sorry guys. ”

Old skool had much higher ratings. Ratings have dropped like a stone over recent years.
Tall Paul
22-07-2015
Originally Posted by coreyseville:
“I made a tweet pretty much on this topic with the changes I think BB should make next year:
https://twitter.com/coreyseville/sta...69743131348994

Judging by the reactions from people I think a lot of people are ready and wanting change after the last two series'

Another change I had in mind but forgot to add while typing up my ideas was to keep nominations private. Now I don't mean HMs go into the Diary room to nominate so its all private (that should always be the rule anyway!) what I mean is don't let the HMs know who is facing eviction each week...keep it quite. This is will stop the boring people playing up to the cameras just because they are nominated, will stop the constant obsession with who nominated who and also leaves the HMs totally blank about their fate in the house. Have ALL HMs pack for eviction night and don't reveal the HMs facing the public vote until Emma says "Big Brother House this is Emma...(Insert housemates name here)"”

Agree with everything there Corey.
ValW
22-07-2015
Originally Posted by MistyEyes321:
“We get boring housemates because most of us don't like controversial housemates & only want to see the get along crew.”

It's not either/or. From the thousands who apply, we should expect the lucky 16 to be the most interesting. But interesting doesn't have to equal controversial. The producers need to do their homework thoroughly on their chosen cast and make sure they understand them inside out before the show. If they're not delivering in the house, then intervene with a task or twist to bring out the qualities they know their HMs have. Experiment with house dynamics, not just impose situations that will do nothing but cause rows. One of my favourite examples is BB13's Turf Wars, splitting up best friends and forcing awkward alliances.
Barracute
22-07-2015
Originally Posted by coreyseville:
“I made a tweet pretty much on this topic with the changes I think BB should make next year:
https://twitter.com/coreyseville/sta...69743131348994

Judging by the reactions from people I think a lot of people are ready and wanting change after the last two series'

Another change I had in mind but forgot to add while typing up my ideas was to keep nominations private. Now I don't mean HMs go into the Diary room to nominate so its all private (that should always be the rule anyway!) what I mean is don't let the HMs know who is facing eviction each week...keep it quite. This is will stop the boring people playing up to the cameras just because they are nominated, will stop the constant obsession with who nominated who and also leaves the HMs totally blank about their fate in the house. Have ALL HMs pack for eviction night and don't reveal the HMs facing the public vote until Emma says "Big Brother House this is Emma...(Insert housemates name here)"”

They have to let them know who is up so they can pack their sutcases and get in their eviction outfits
Eve Elle
22-07-2015
Originally Posted by jp761:
“Old skool had much higher ratings. Ratings have dropped like a stone over recent years.”

Times have changed, lots of stuff got better ratings years ago. People have far more options now on what they choose to watch and when. Ratings now, in general, are lower.

Personally I think they need more varied and more interesting contestants who are less media aware, more inventive twists and tasks, and a more locked down environment. But going full old skool would be a mistake.
jp761
22-07-2015
Originally Posted by Eve Elle:
“Times have changed, lots of stuff got better ratings years ago. People have far more options now on what they choose to watch and when. Ratings now, in general, are lower.

Personally I think they need more varied and more interesting contestants who are less media aware, more inventive twists and tasks, and a more locked down environment. But going full old skool would be a mistake.”

Going part old skool might work I agree. Especially the part regarding housemates being less media aware and all of that.
Eve Elle
22-07-2015
Originally Posted by jp761:
“Going part old skool might work I agree. Especially the part regarding housemates being less media aware and all of that.”

Huh? We actually agree on something?
jp761
22-07-2015
Originally Posted by Eve Elle:
“Huh? We actually agree on something? ”

You've done well this time excellent work. Be proud.
mar1oa
22-07-2015
I think they need to bring the game show aspect more to the forefront of the show, focus on the tasks more - none of these mindless filler tasks designed to push one housemate on the viewers like they did with jack and the money this year - and I think they should keep the noms private in the diary room have the 4 housemates with the most votes have some challenge to try and save themselves with the winner saving themselves from the vote. This can stop some of the more entertaining characters being evicted and help filter out the dead wood and non team players.
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