Yet again in a soap, an unplanned pregnancy which the poor sow is going to keep.

How many more times must we see characters who have clearly not planned for, are not prepared for and patently don't want ... a baby?

Why the hell don't they just get rid? There are a few divided cells deep inside them that have no personality, to which the host mother cannot yet have bonded .. just go down the clinic and get it sorted, for goodness sake!

Then get on with your life, having heaved a huge sigh of relief and spared us, the viewer, any more of this madness.

And yes, I'm absolutely serious!

Because....that's too much like life lol

OP - what a load of absolute claptrap. I take it you're male - no female would spout such rubbish. One of my friends had 6 miscarriages before finally giving birth to a healthy baby.

Why do you think that's the view of a teenage boy? I'm an adult female with children and I wonder the same about Stacy. There are already far too many 'casually' conceived babies in this world, living miserable lives because they weren't planned. People should give more serious thought before embarking on parenthood. Martin clearly isn't happy about it and if I were the baby I wouldn't be chuffed to be born into such a situation.

Stacey wants the baby though and has already stated that she can't put herself through another abortion.

Not every woman can have an abortion and just get on with it. Your post is rather naive.

Sorry, I've edited that now. I chose not to have children and I've never once regretted that decision as I don't particularly like children - they're ok in small doses but that's it. However, as I said, one of my friends had 6 miscarriages before giving birth to a healthy baby. The bit of the OPs post which really made me angry was when he said at that stage it's a divided cell and the mother wouldn't have bonded with it. My friend bonded with all her babies. So I stand by what I say, that he's talking claptrap. My friend used to come on this forum but stopped a few weeks ago. I'm so glad - I dread to think of the state she'd be in if she read that post.

As it happens I lost our third child and it upsets me still to this day even though it was several years ago. But I can still think rationally. I think every baby deserves the best of starts in life and I don't see that Stacy can give that at present.

I'd better leave it there as I don't want anyone getting upset over what I say.

It's perfectly simple.

Because the pregnant woman, in this case Stacey, doesn't want to 'get rid'.

And what the mother says goes.

Never mind the father, blokes get no say in the matter. Never mind the child either, they get no say.

Because women are always right.

ITA, Abortion is not an easy decision., & some women never get over it. Stacy seems to regret her previous abortion so she is right to keep this child.

Well said.

I think this is a poor reason to have a baby. She needs to think about whether she can realistically cope and look after a new baby as s/he deserves.

I feel really callous saying that tho.

Agree with the OP. Women have abortions every day without regretting it. In the early weeks, it's a simple procedure.

Stacey having a baby in precarious circumstances is setting a bad example. No, it doesn't always work out.

Males seem to think it is as easy as having a tooth pulled, but there are many emotional repercussions. Goggle it. Of course some women don't have them, but some do, & Stacey already had one & does not want another.

Yes, some women do have abortions without regretting them. Some don't though. Stacey regrets her first abortion. It would make no sense for her character to casually decide to have an abortion this time.

Setting a bad example? Why? She's a fictional character and anyone who makes such a huge decision because of EE has issues.

I've had more than one abortion and one miscarriage, as it goes. Absolutely the right decision. I worked for Stopes for a bit and seem to remember research showing that most women felt relief after an abortion; I did, many of my friends have had both abortions and live births and don't regret the former.

Doesn't help when there is so much propaganda telling you that it's an emotional experience.

Found lots of data but this also explains and contextualises

http://abortionmonologues.blogspot.c...rtion.html?m=1

Once again, young girls will get the message that abortion is wrong and trusting to luck, a new boyfriend or the State to provide is the right thing to do.

How could she support two children through the stall?

It's not sending out that message at all. How is a female character not wanting a second abortion sending out that message? EE should not have to potray abortion as a quick and easy thing just in case some young girls are stupid enough to get their education from TV. Martin has a stall too and Stacey seems to be doing just fine with money right now. She also has millionaire cousins to help if she needs it.

A brave post and I appreciate your honesty. You are clearly a rational thinker like me. We have to look at the whole picture and Stacey is not in a good position to give her child the best start right now. Also, I feel strongly that it is wrong to expect a man to be a father when he clearly didn't plan it. She was on the pill, which suggests she was trying to avoid a pregnancy, which in turn suggests she didn't want a baby at that moment in time. Add into that her precarious mental health, it's not a good start for any pregnancy and a really bad start for the baby. I wouldn't wish those circumstances on any baby and I don't feel that *only* the woman's emotional needs are valid.

So yes, I appreciate your honest take on the situation.

Also, I meant to add that EE have far too many of these accidental pregancy stories and then they don't seem to know what to do with all the resulting babies and children so they disappear for weeks on end.

What a naive post . What is right for you may not be right for everyone

What an absolute load of crap.

This thread needs to be axed.

My daughter had a friend who has 3 abortions & uses it as a form of contraception. Personally I can't understand that as its very easy to use contraception, its just this particular girl (she's 21 but in my opinion very much a child!) who doesn't like condoms & can't be bothered to get the pill.

Now back to the OPs point. Yes it's easy for some to have an abortion. For most its the last resort as an early pregnancy doesn't feel like a load cells - its a baby!