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Old 17-07-2015, 22:00
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Nah not really.

Just like to ask if anyone knows when the substitute for music commonly known as (C)rap music will ever die?
Also why is it still here when it's now anything but fresh and who actually buys it?

And if you are someone who likes it then what is it you find rewarding about listening to it?
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Old 17-07-2015, 22:07
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Nah not really.

Just like to ask if anyone knows when the substitute for music commonly known as (C)rap music will ever die?
Also why is it still here when it's now anything but fresh and who actually buys it?

And if you are someone who likes it then what is it you find rewarding about listening to it?
It depends. I like some rapping, but not when it has constant overkill swearing. Take these lyrics from a Nicki Minaj and Lil Wayne song:

She got a n**** at home
And one on the side
Best friend is a dyke, they ****ed around a few times
Her and her mamma alike, so all they do is fight
I tell her, "Make me some money," she tell me, "Make me a wife."
I tell that "Bitch, you crazy.
**** wrong with you?"
And excuse my French, but I'm a long kisser
And then she try to tell me I'm the only one that's hittin'
And I say, "What about them n*****?"
She say, "What about them n*****?"
You right, what you doing tonight?
Put on something tight
Don't judge me, I get life
She love me like a brother
But **** me like a husband
P*ssy like a oven
Too hot to put my tongue in
All I had to do is rub it
The genie out the bottle
Pussy so wet, I'ma need goggles
She tell me that it's mine
I tell her, "Stop lying."
Mine and who else?
She say, "Worry 'bout yourself,
Lil Tune."
Overkill.

(And mods, don't ban me for posting this, I'm using it as an example of swearing in raps.)
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Old 17-07-2015, 22:25
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It depends. I like some rapping, but not when it has constant overkill swearing. Take these lyrics from a Nicki Minaj and Lil Wayne song:



Overkill.

(And mods, don't ban me for posting this, I'm using it as an example of swearing in raps.)
It's not just a case of overkill, it just foul with zero redeeming qualities, designed to make you feel what? Shocked?Titillated?Nauseas? It's like someone whacking your head against a brick wall repeatedly. Eventually you're going to get numb and lose the will to live.

It's so sad to live in a country that had such a wonderful and emotional musical legacy that can move your soul to be reduced to listening to the crudest, inarticulate rubbish some twonk could ever invent.

Imagine listening to that crap after listening to Mary Hopkin or the Stone Roses or Enya or the Jesus and Mary Chain or anything you like.
How would you honestly rate it then?
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Old 17-07-2015, 22:46
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There's no way I can listen to rap music, other than Kelly Rowland's "Dilemma," as that is quite musical (and I like Kelly Rowland).
Most if it for me sounds much the same.

There's nothing new about it, it's been around for years.

Here's a modern version of a 65 year-old old tune with a "rap" vocal.
This I do like. It's a vocal version of a saxaphone solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWxriapsDes
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Old 17-07-2015, 22:55
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the popular rap acts have become a parody, always on about bitches, hoes, big asses, guns, money. But when rap is used in protest about social issues it still is quite powerful, just a shame people do't seem to want that stuff
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Old 17-07-2015, 23:00
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There's no way I can listen to rap music, other than Kelly Rowland's "Dilemma," as that is quite musical (and I like Kelly Rowland).
Most if it for me sounds much the same.

There's nothing new about it, it's been around for years.

Here's a modern version of a 65 year-old old tune with a "rap" vocal.
This I do like. It's a vocal version of a saxaphone solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWxriapsDes
See what you mean about the 'rap' vocal except that the girl is actually signing. With a perfectly lovely voice too.

That piece is not exactly my cup of tea but i enjoyed it anyhow and it goes to prove the point the music should be a human pleasure to be savoured and not rammed in your face like someone's ass with a gun pointing out of it
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Old 17-07-2015, 23:07
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See what you mean about the 'rap' vocal except that the girl is actually singing. With a perfectly lovely voice too.

That piece is not exactly my cup of tea but i enjoyed it anyhow and it goes to prove the point the music should be a human pleasure to be savoured and not rammed in your face like someone's ass with a gun pointing out of it
Of course she is singing, it's more like "Scat" singing, but with a written lyric.
It's written around the chords of "I'm in the Mood For Love," but not the refrain.


it's because many rap artists can't sing you get what you get.
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Old 17-07-2015, 23:10
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the popular rap acts have become a parody, always on about bitches, hoes, big asses, guns, money. But when rap is used in protest about social issues it still is quite powerful, just a shame people do't seem towant that stuff
I'm remember Public Enemy and Tupac and some other rap that had a message but those days are long gone. I remember when they had intelligent, sharp meaningful and funny as **** lyrics, one of which I was going to fondly narrate before I remembered that even quoting the n word is off limits to the likes of me. Of course the rappers are welcomed to use it to death.

The music industry will never promote any positive, uplifting or truly rebellious music anymore.
And it's got to be largely down to the consumer who sucks up all the hoes, butts and guns etc garbage
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Old 17-07-2015, 23:16
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Of course she is singing, it's more like "Scat" singing, but with a written lyric.
It's written around the chords of "I'm in the Mood For Love," but not the refrain.


it's because many rap artists can't sing you get what you get.
Doh, rap artists that can't sing, I am shocked!!! Lol

Maybe they should try different occupations, like appearing in the Daily Mail slebs strip cartoon every day. oh what a minute....

Like that girl's voice but it will get better as she matures.
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Old 17-07-2015, 23:24
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I've always disliked rap and the worst thing ever was when it started to appear in metal with nu-metal and rap-metal.
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Old 17-07-2015, 23:30
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Doh, rap artists that can't sing, I am shocked!!! Lol

Maybe they should try different occupations, like appearing in the Daily Mail slebs strip cartoon every day. oh what a minute....

Like that girl's voice but it will get better as she matures.
She's Spanish, twenty and plays trumpet, alto and soprano sax to a professional standard.

She has a wide vocal range.

This her at eighteen, vocals and trumpet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSCaGOvbPL4

On alto sax.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LYINPAqZn0
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Old 18-07-2015, 01:03
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Rap music, yeah! Nah not really.

Just like to ask if anyone knows when the substitute for music commonly known as (C)rap music will ever die?
Also why is it still here when it's now anything but fresh and who actually buys it?

And if you are someone who likes it then what is it you find rewarding about listening to it?
That little tirade isn't really the way to open up any serious conversation about Hip Hop. It's more likely to make anyone who does appreciate Hip Hop hostile. Why would they waste their time attempting to defend an entire music genre for the entertainment of someone who wants to rubbish it? There are already Hip Hop threads on here for those who care.

[..]one of which I was going to fondly narrate before I remembered that even quoting the n word is off limits to the likes of me. Of course the rappers are welcomed to use it to death.
There are certainly many people in the black community who are opposed to the reclaiming and common use of the word in music.

The music industry will never promote any positive, uplifting or truly rebellious music anymore.
Which is hardly the fault of the artists who do make good Hip Hip.

That piece is not exactly my cup of tea but i enjoyed it anyhow and it goes to prove the point the music should be a human pleasure to be savoured and not rammed in your face like someone's ass with a gun pointing out of it
Plenty of Hip Hip could be considered to be in your face, confrontational and controversial, like other styles of music too. I wouldn't say that would be what makes it bad.

it's because many rap artists can't sing you get what you get.
There's no reason why an MC needs to be able to sing. Most singers can't rap. You don't have to play the piano to be a guitarist.
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Old 18-07-2015, 01:16
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Eminem has more talent in his pinky than anything Cheryl Cole has or will amount too

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Old 18-07-2015, 01:44
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As long as recently post pubescent retards have cars, rap will exist for the little morons to blare out of the windows in public car parks to show people how hard they are.
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Old 18-07-2015, 07:56
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Nah not really.

Just like to ask if anyone knows when the substitute for music commonly known as (C)rap music will ever die?
Also why is it still here when it's now anything but fresh and who actually buys it?

And if you are someone who likes it then what is it you find rewarding about listening to it?
how strange... i was thinking the very same thing!

its been around over 30 years, and i dont get the appeal, outside its american/black roots.

personally, i hate it, i dont get it, it says nothing to me whatsoever.
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Old 18-07-2015, 08:21
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I do love these "I don't get it so it's crap" threads

I like a lot of rap, always have. But i suspect i'd be out of place on this thread in that respect ..
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Old 18-07-2015, 08:25
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As long as it's got decent "music" behind it ala Red Hot Chili Peppers, rage against the machine etc, then I don't mind it.
It's the idiots who rap over backing tracks and clapping beats I can't stand.
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Old 18-07-2015, 08:38
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Rap and mainstream 'hip hop' are filth that have polluted the minds of the young so over the past 20 years that it is a contributing factor to why swathes of today's youth are so ignorant, arrogant and swaggering. It is the thing I would second most like abolished from existence after flies and wasps.

Rap was fairly tolerable in the 70s and 80s, until Public Enemy rebranded it into a 'political' tool - ie, loads of swearing and aggression. I acknowledge that plenty will proclaim their particular 'brilliance', but it's not for me I'm afraid.

Here's Mae West rapping in the 70s in her 70s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6HBqcoEyTg
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Old 18-07-2015, 08:57
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Rap and mainstream 'hip hop' are filth that have polluted the minds of the young so over the past 20 years that it is a contributing factor to why swathes of today's youth are so ignorant, arrogant and swaggering. It is the thing I would second most like abolished from existence after flies and wasps.

Rap was fairly tolerable in the 70s and 80s, until Public Enemy rebranded it into a 'political' tool - ie, loads of swearing and aggression. I acknowledge that plenty will proclaim their particular 'brilliance', but it's not for me I'm afraid.

Here's Mae West rapping in the 70s in her 70s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6HBqcoEyTg
Wow. Just wow.
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Old 18-07-2015, 09:12
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Nah not really.

Just like to ask if anyone knows when the substitute for music commonly known as (C)rap music will ever die?
Also why is it still here when it's now anything but fresh and who actually buys it?

And if you are someone who likes it then what is it you find rewarding about listening to it?
Why do I need to find it rewarding to listen to music? Also why do I need to justify that decision to you? You don't like rap music, don't listen to it.
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Old 18-07-2015, 09:26
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Rap is a technique that can be used in music, rather than a music form in itself.
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Old 18-07-2015, 09:27
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Eminem has more talent in his pinky than anything Cheryl Cole has or will amount too

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Nope, I agree with you as I'm sure quite a few people will as well.

However I fear I may be in the minority when I state that Will Smith is still one of my favourite rap artists.
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Old 18-07-2015, 09:28
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i don't understand this point of view. i don't like classical music, so i don't listen to it. i wouldn't shame someone for enjoying it, i'd just leave them to it. grow up a bit and realise that people have different tastes in things.
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Old 18-07-2015, 09:30
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Rap and mainstream 'hip hop' are filth that have polluted the minds of the young so over the past 20 years that it is a contributing factor to why swathes of today's youth are so ignorant, arrogant and swaggering. It is the thing I would second most like abolished from existence after flies and wasps.

Rap was fairly tolerable in the 70s and 80s, until Public Enemy rebranded it into a 'political' tool - ie, loads of swearing and aggression. I acknowledge that plenty will proclaim their particular 'brilliance', but it's not for me I'm afraid.

Here's Mae West rapping in the 70s in her 70s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6HBqcoEyTg
Grandstanding like that makes me think you've probably listened to two rap records in your entire life

i don't understand this point of view. i don't like classical music, so i don't listen to it. i wouldn't shame someone for enjoying it, i'd just leave them to it. grow up a bit and realise that people have different tastes in things.
It's the lifeblood of the music snob - to criticise and complain about the genres they don't like and claim the genres they do like are "real" or "proper" music.
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Old 18-07-2015, 09:43
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Grandstanding like that makes me think you've probably listened to two rap records in your entire life
To be more accurate, I was a serial nerdy chart enthusiast in two periods, firstly from 1986 to 1992, and then 1996 to about 2005/6. And I did perceive a distinct, unpalatable change in the rap/hip-hop genre in those two periods, and from the dipping in and out since then I know has not only endured but been exacerbated. I know there's the argument that the mainstream doesn't reflect the 'true' scene, but I didn't claim to be basing my post on anything else.
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