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Samsung and Apple are ready to adopt non-removable e-SIM
The e-Sim is getting closer to reality It will be an embedded Sim that cannot be removed. Quote:
The Financial Times claims that talks are at an advanced stage and will affect the UK and US, with the operators that are expected to support the plan being AT&T, Deutche Telekom, Etisalat, Hutchinson Whampoa, Orange, Telefonica and Vodafone.
http://www.neowin.net/news/samsung-a...sim-technologyhttp://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1346...for-the-better |
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"The ability to immediately transfer service from one handset to another without having to carry a SIM card" - Yes because the hell it is to carry around SIM card that weights 0.0000001g
And of course great when you brick your phone and can't get the e-sim details back. I've just spent 4 days getting my IMEI number back and working on my phone after a massive malfunction. So this is just another invention for no bloody good reason. |
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"The ability to immediately transfer service from one handset to another without having to carry a SIM card" - Yes because the hell it is to carry around SIM card that weights 0.0000001g
And of course great when you brick your phone and can't get the e-sim details back. I've just spent 4 days getting my IMEI number back and working on my phone after a massive malfunction. So this is just another invention for no bloody good reason. Luckily I would expect they will have to keep a sim slot as well for all the MVNOs who aren't included. |
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At the end of the day though this is the way it's moving and it will be the way it is in the not too distant future.
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It is moving that way but for some time there will be options. I can see it working for those who want to be tied in with a contract, particularly the Yanks, but in the majority of the world you purchase your handset and airtime separately.
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It's no worse (and probably slightly better) than having a handset locked to a network ?
In effect a request to change networks would be no worse than the present system of requesting an unlock code, and then going through a PAC request and migration. This new system would presumably achieve all of that in one hit ? As for buying a 'SIM free' phone, you just register its IMEI with whatever network you wish to use ? The only problem is using more than one network at the same time, for instance going on holiday, and using a local network rather than roaming ? |
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I can see the manufacturing cost benefits to having a fixed "sim" inside the phone, but this goes against the idea of the handset and the service being separate - something the EU mandated in directives in early 1990s. The US has long had technical differences between their networks, so they don't have a culture of people moving network to get the best deal - and keeping their handset. Some of the networks (CDMA based Sprint and Verizon) even didn't have SIM cards at all. Now they have SIM for their 4G LTE service. Quote:
The only problem is using more than one network at the same time, for instance going on holiday, and using a local network rather than roaming ?
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Samsung's new Smartwatch The Gear S2 3G will have an e-Sim:
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/08/31/...oled-displays/ |
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So how will an embedded SIM help when your phone goes wrong and you have to use a spare? Recently my phone had to go back for repair, so I took the SIM card out and put it in a spare phone temporarily.
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SIM swapping is just so useful and no hassle that it won't go away without a fight.
Also even if I am in a contract I don't want a locked phone as after I have seen the contract out I consider it to be my property and not something to be held to ransom with. So Phones and services should always be separate even if you chose to combine them in a contract for a while. |
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So how will an embedded SIM help when your phone goes wrong and you have to use a spare? Recently my phone had to go back for repair, so I took the SIM card out and put it in a spare phone temporarily.
Its another option Apple and Samsung are adding to the mix, eventually it may come the norm, both companies have too much to lose to force this measure down networks throats. Apple may get away with certain practices of fixing handset prices and the like, I guarrantee networks won't take this change without a fuss. I a nutshell future Apple and Samsung devices will support the standard but for the forseeable future will also include sim techology at the same time. |
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I don't like the idea.
The size argument has been pretty much defeated with micro and nano SIMs, and I prefer the absolute flexibility a real SIM provides, as I know for sure that I don't need the device manufacturer or network operator's permission to switch phones. |
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Much of it does not seem to be for consumer benefit, the idea being used to give 3rd party control of your device network choices.
Incompatible CDMA manages that well in the US too. |
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Samsung's new Smartwatch The Gear S2 3G will have an e-Sim:
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/08/31/...oled-displays/ There are times for night out when a cheap 4" or less phone is more suited, but changing Sim is inconvenient. What is obvious too, is that network ties impose limitations that are bypassed by the likes of Whatsapp and Hangouts. |
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Not keen on this idea. I travel a lot and switch sims to foreign networks. This will just add hassle to that.
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