Perfect reply. The rhetoric against Helen on DS is ridiculously exaggerated, and the twisty arguments used to "prove" that every word she says must be a lie are ridiculous too. This whole thread has been begun and kept going by someone whose pathological loathing of Helen undermines the credibility of his/her comments.

BB immediately denied that they removed Harry (or any other HM) from the house on various occasions, as Jasmine had alleged. She punched a wall, but that didn't threaten anybody except herself.

Imo. It happens every year not just this year. Ppl not living up to their vt

There was one episode where Harry was called to the DR - it all went a bit pear shaped with the edit after that but it appeared that Harry was 'cooling off' alone somewhere and everyone was aware that she'd been 'given space' - didn't she go for a lie down in the staff quarters or something. I do think there was something 'odd' about the whole thing.

[quote=Harry Redknapp;79026252]No she cheated. She accepted the pass to the final - this gave her free reign to behave as she wanted. If she was "honest" she would have declined the pass and went through her BB journey as normal. She was given numerous warnings for her aggressive behaviour - I believe it was 28+ - whilst in the house.

Oh come on - I'm no Helen fan, but name me just one Big Brother housemate from any series who would refuse a free pass to the final. It isn't cheating if it's been okayed by Big Brother themselves. By your logic, Pauline was the one cheating as she gave the free pass.

Helen is such a big mouth that loves the sound of her own voice.

Oh dear. There is no OTT reaction to Helen. Nor is there any pathological loathing of her either - there does however seem to be a concerted effort amongst her faithful disciples to pretend everything she says is correct.

The only female HM who has experienced OTT hatred is Grace Adams Short.

So Marky Marc the guy who according to some peeps on here isn't interested in z list lifestyle one bit... Shacks up with the ultimate z lister wannabe... you couldn't write this stuff well Helen could.

Never saw the series that Helen was in, so no clue on her background, apart from what I've heard.

From what I saw of her in this series, she was outspoken, went too far with her insults in an arguement, but on the whole I got where she was coming from (did feel Brian, Nikki and Aisleyne were more the instigators in terms of unecessary nasty confrontations/bitching, and were a bit obsessed about bringing her down)

As for her last 3 articles, no idea how genuine shes being, how much she's saying stuff just to create a reaction, publicity etc I'm sure she is as thats what its all about in that circle...all I can say is that as much as some of it is unecessarily bitchy (which I think she can be) I'm mostly in agreement with her assessements of the housemates and the hypocrisy on how the situations in the house were judged, depending on which housemate it was.

BB seemed to be claiming a HM isn't removed from the house so long as they're in the compound somewhere. So it didn't actually contradict that Jasmine said.

1) You may not agree with it, but it is as well written as any piece of modern journalism.

2) She did not cheat. The pass was granted by the producers and we voted for her to win. Chloe didn't cheat either. She was an underserving winner but then most of them have been.

3) There is no one as delusional as Billie Bhati and by the way he didn't win. He was in fact booted out early on in the series.

4) Marc and Helen kissing - yawn! So I suppose Jasmine and Cristian kissing would be 'genuine' would it.

In short, your arguments hold water about as well as a string vest.

I don't know what planet you have been on but it is not earth. I agree some supporters are also manic, but I can assure you that the bile visited out on anyone who suggests they may actually like her has been appalling.

A dangerous and delusional woman imo.

Shame on BB for ever feeding this monster

I worry about her son

oww didums, so you dont l;ike Helen, she deserved to be the winner so it doesnt matter what you think the majority of the public thought she deserved to win.

Hmm..


The prosecution rests your honour.

I notice you often reference Helen's fans, or "disciples". She is, on the whole, very disliked on this forum. I don't know where you get the idea she has that much of a fanbase from.

People aren't automatically Helen fans if they happen to think your hatred of Helen is a bit OTT.

She never discussed her son once in the house, that's how ignorant she is. She is trying to dictate to us what we should like and dislike. She should just piss off and leave them alone.

"Shacked up" as in went to Dublin on an overnight visit to go clubbing and posed for some pictures ?
Like many of us have done regularly in our youth and like many lads and lassies still do ?
That means I've "shacked up" with at least 20 persons . I never realised I was so promiscuous .

Why ?

Shagged up was more accurate PROBABLY lol At the time i exaggerated on purpose. The main point was the wannabe z list part of it. But ultimately we don't actually know shit. That's true.
And we all know people will spins articles.. depending on their agenda at the time.. we all have done that. Devils advocates are rife on here at times.

Why does this woman feel the need to tell people how they should be behaving in the Big Brother House? It was exactly the same when she said, 'People need to remember that this isn't Little House on the Prairie, it's Big Brother.' She meant that they should stop getting on so well, because that's not what the show is for. Well excuse me madam, but I believe Big Brother is about setting a group of characters loose in a House and watching what happens to them, and it's a different dynamic every year. People can behave how they bloody well want to in the House - if they behave in a way the viewers don't like, they'll be voted out, and that's how the show works. What stops the show from working is if everyone is playing up to the cameras to fill a certain role - people stop trusting the Housemates, viewers argue about it on forums like this and the winner is fairly arbitrary, and becomes more damage limitation than the person people actually wanted to support.

By telling people that they're boring and they need to behave differently because of the situation, Helen is monopolising opinions on what Big Brother is about. What right does she have to determine whether someone is worth being in the House, worth winning, worth receiving support or not? She has the right to state her opinion, yes, but no more than we all do. She states her opinion as fact, and seems to consider herself to be the font of all Big Brother wisdom. I'm sick and tired of her 'just being honest' approach - being honest is fine, but I don't like the way she interprets what honesty is. To me, honesty is about telling the truth about what you believe and not being deliberately deceitful. Helen seems to think that it means saying what you think all the time - actually, that isn't true; it is entirely reasonable for an honest person to hold back on an opinion, so long as they aren't deliberately pretending something else. Under Helen's interpretation, anyone who is nice to someone they don't like is dishonest, because they're not being genuine; she doesn't grasp the fact that sometimes people are friendly and polite simply because they are nice people, even when they don't like the other person very much.

And also, Helen's understanding of honesty is based purely around the way that she behaves, and those who she agrees with. If someone else used the same tactic and she didn't agree with them, she would make every point against them that I have just made, completely ignoring the fact that you could say the same about her. I have seen her do that several times, the most obvious one being when Victor came in and she said to Big Brother, 'I can't believe you've brought someone in here just to cause trouble' - pot kettle black! I don't know if she's just trying to make a controversial name for herself, or if she actually has so little self-awareness that she doesn't realise how she comes across to people. Sometimes I actually think it's the second one - there are times when she's actually all right, and I wonder if she actually is completely oblivious to how she looks when she goes off on one. I'm not sure if I dislike her, or if I'm just immensely sorry for her. Either way, I think she could really, really do with some self-reflection.

Bore off Helen

Well put, and a great read of the situation.

I don't hate Helen, I just do not like what I have seen from her at all. She irritates me because I do not like "tell it as it is" nastiness being dressed up as honesty. Or that her perspective is the only one that should be prescribed to. She is often rude, negative, aggressive and dismissive and uses her national column to bash folks. She thrives off of negativity. I've seen OTT hate this season and none directed at Helen. Marc has been the forum fav this season and his friends/ those for him have been championed.

Thank you