Originally Posted by Adrian_Ward1:
“Sharon will be clashing with Kathy.”
“Sharon will be clashing with Kathy.”
Unfortunately the only thing she clashes with nowadays is her hair pieces.
Letitia Dean and Adam Woodyatt
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Originally Posted by Menime123:
“It's the direction and material they're giving her. She's a bit player because she had absolutely no one else she can bounce off on the square. She's a part of everyone else's storylines and desperately lacking her own.
They have flirted with a few storylines over the last three years that could have been brilliant - drug addict Sharon, Deny's decent into a little thug, ripping off Phil - but they stopped after an episode or two!
Sharon used to be the Queen Bee of the square and I do wonder if that had something to do with The Vic. In there she could rule. Away from it and she has nothing. I suppose it was the characters safety net, her stage.
Personally I think when she returned in 2012 she should have come back as stepmother to a whole bunch of teenagers. A reads made family is exactly what Sharon needed. She kind of works as a Mitchell, but Phil doesn't respect her enough to let her rule the troops, and in turn the troops don't seem to have much respect for Sharon.
I hate affair storylines but by god Sharon needs to have one. It's just there's no one I can see her going off with! Plus it was a huge mistake making her so financially vulnerable.
Sharon works best when she's plotting revenge, taking the upper hand and throwing bitchy one liners. One upon a time she was Mitchell top dog, able to rule both Grant and Phil with the bat of an eyelid. They loved her and knew not to mess with her, and Peggy hated her for having so much power over her boys. This is the Sharon I remember, and the one Phil needs to be reminded of.
No one messes with Sharon Watts!”
“It's the direction and material they're giving her. She's a bit player because she had absolutely no one else she can bounce off on the square. She's a part of everyone else's storylines and desperately lacking her own.
They have flirted with a few storylines over the last three years that could have been brilliant - drug addict Sharon, Deny's decent into a little thug, ripping off Phil - but they stopped after an episode or two!
Sharon used to be the Queen Bee of the square and I do wonder if that had something to do with The Vic. In there she could rule. Away from it and she has nothing. I suppose it was the characters safety net, her stage.
Personally I think when she returned in 2012 she should have come back as stepmother to a whole bunch of teenagers. A reads made family is exactly what Sharon needed. She kind of works as a Mitchell, but Phil doesn't respect her enough to let her rule the troops, and in turn the troops don't seem to have much respect for Sharon.
I hate affair storylines but by god Sharon needs to have one. It's just there's no one I can see her going off with! Plus it was a huge mistake making her so financially vulnerable.
Sharon works best when she's plotting revenge, taking the upper hand and throwing bitchy one liners. One upon a time she was Mitchell top dog, able to rule both Grant and Phil with the bat of an eyelid. They loved her and knew not to mess with her, and Peggy hated her for having so much power over her boys. This is the Sharon I remember, and the one Phil needs to be reminded of.
No one messes with Sharon Watts!”
I love this post.
Originally Posted by Menime123:
“It's the direction and material they're giving her. She's a bit player because she had absolutely no one else she can bounce off on the square. She's a part of everyone else's storylines and desperately lacking her own.
They have flirted with a few storylines over the last three years that could have been brilliant - drug addict Sharon, Deny's decent into a little thug, ripping off Phil - but they stopped after an episode or two!
Sharon used to be the Queen Bee of the square and I do wonder if that had something to do with The Vic. In there she could rule. Away from it and she has nothing. I suppose it was the characters safety net, her stage.
Personally I think when she returned in 2012 she should have come back as stepmother to a whole bunch of teenagers. A reads made family is exactly what Sharon needed. She kind of works as a Mitchell, but Phil doesn't respect her enough to let her rule the troops, and in turn the troops don't seem to have much respect for Sharon.
I hate affair storylines but by god Sharon needs to have one. It's just there's no one I can see her going off with! Plus it was a huge mistake making her so financially vulnerable.
Sharon works best when she's plotting revenge, taking the upper hand and throwing bitchy one liners. One upon a time she was Mitchell top dog, able to rule both Grant and Phil with the bat of an eyelid. They loved her and knew not to mess with her, and Peggy hated her for having so much power over her boys. This is the Sharon I remember, and the one Phil needs to be reminded of.
No one messes with Sharon Watts!”
“It's the direction and material they're giving her. She's a bit player because she had absolutely no one else she can bounce off on the square. She's a part of everyone else's storylines and desperately lacking her own.
They have flirted with a few storylines over the last three years that could have been brilliant - drug addict Sharon, Deny's decent into a little thug, ripping off Phil - but they stopped after an episode or two!
Sharon used to be the Queen Bee of the square and I do wonder if that had something to do with The Vic. In there she could rule. Away from it and she has nothing. I suppose it was the characters safety net, her stage.
Personally I think when she returned in 2012 she should have come back as stepmother to a whole bunch of teenagers. A reads made family is exactly what Sharon needed. She kind of works as a Mitchell, but Phil doesn't respect her enough to let her rule the troops, and in turn the troops don't seem to have much respect for Sharon.
I hate affair storylines but by god Sharon needs to have one. It's just there's no one I can see her going off with! Plus it was a huge mistake making her so financially vulnerable.
Sharon works best when she's plotting revenge, taking the upper hand and throwing bitchy one liners. One upon a time she was Mitchell top dog, able to rule both Grant and Phil with the bat of an eyelid. They loved her and knew not to mess with her, and Peggy hated her for having so much power over her boys. This is the Sharon I remember, and the one Phil needs to be reminded of.
No one messes with Sharon Watts!”
Excellent post
I've said it before on these boards - Sharon shines when she's given an opportunity to kick ass, basically. The downtrodden Mitchell doormat is not, and never has been Sharon. She's wonderful in the few chances she gets to come alive, like the revenge plot last summer. 2012-present Sharon has been a shadow of her former self, but she's still far more watchable than most other characters in the show. The show is just better with Sharon in it, and to be honest, she's one of the main reasons I still watch it.
I also thought they should have built a family around Sharon in 2012; perhaps with Vicky, a new husband and a couple of kids. Instead, they shoved her in with the Brannings and turned her into Tanya-lite. Then she spent a whole year moping around the B&B. It was all wrong.
I don't mind Sharon with Phil but I hate that he treats her so badly and she just puts up with it. Sharon would never settle for second best. Never. The princess needs to make a return with a big story of her own.
Originally Posted by 0...0:
“Me too SG!
I spent most of 2014 bemoaning the crap writing for Sharon so I will try to keep this short.
I think as a historic character with so much back story, six years away and a huge unexploded sizzler of a story with Phil about Dennis there was great potential for Shazz to morph into a cross between a Blanche DuBois type character and a vengeful widow.
Sadly she came back at the worst possible time when one incompetent producer was leaving and another one was starting. A lot of damage was done then. Then the competent producer came along but he had his hands full with his own creations and the big anniversary story. That's 3 different producers jerking the character 3 different ways. Other characters suffered, eg Kat, but she suffered most as the important period of reintegration never happened.
I would have preferred her come in for a decently plotted explosive couple of years, then go off again to be honest. But cest la vie. She still keeps me watching.”
“Me too SG!
I spent most of 2014 bemoaning the crap writing for Sharon so I will try to keep this short.
I think as a historic character with so much back story, six years away and a huge unexploded sizzler of a story with Phil about Dennis there was great potential for Shazz to morph into a cross between a Blanche DuBois type character and a vengeful widow.
Sadly she came back at the worst possible time when one incompetent producer was leaving and another one was starting. A lot of damage was done then. Then the competent producer came along but he had his hands full with his own creations and the big anniversary story. That's 3 different producers jerking the character 3 different ways. Other characters suffered, eg Kat, but she suffered most as the important period of reintegration never happened.
I would have preferred her come in for a decently plotted explosive couple of years, then go off again to be honest. But cest la vie. She still keeps me watching.”
The Dennis thing is so weird isn't it? When Letitia Dean left in 2006 it seemed obvious that the story team had deliberately seeded it as a credible reason to bring her back at any moment (as long as Steve McFadden was still in the cast). I would have loved to see Kill Bill Sharon picking off her enemies around the Square.
There is something about the Watts gene that is 'apex predator'. Maybe they'll bring this out when Denny is old enough to have a re-cast?
Originally Posted by Menime123:
“It's the direction and material they're giving her. She's a bit player because she had absolutely no one else she can bounce off on the square. She's a part of everyone else's storylines and desperately lacking her own.
They have flirted with a few storylines over the last three years that could have been brilliant - drug addict Sharon, Deny's decent into a little thug, ripping off Phil - but they stopped after an episode or two!
Sharon used to be the Queen Bee of the square and I do wonder if that had something to do with The Vic. In there she could rule. Away from it and she has nothing. I suppose it was the characters safety net, her stage.
Personally I think when she returned in 2012 she should have come back as stepmother to a whole bunch of teenagers. A reads made family is exactly what Sharon needed. She kind of works as a Mitchell, but Phil doesn't respect her enough to let her rule the troops, and in turn the troops don't seem to have much respect for Sharon.
I hate affair storylines but by god Sharon needs to have one. It's just there's no one I can see her going off with! Plus it was a huge mistake making her so financially vulnerable.
Sharon works best when she's plotting revenge, taking the upper hand and throwing bitchy one liners. One upon a time she was Mitchell top dog, able to rule both Grant and Phil with the bat of an eyelid. They loved her and knew not to mess with her, and Peggy hated her for having so much power over her boys. This is the Sharon I remember, and the one Phil needs to be reminded of.
No one messes with Sharon Watts!”
“It's the direction and material they're giving her. She's a bit player because she had absolutely no one else she can bounce off on the square. She's a part of everyone else's storylines and desperately lacking her own.
They have flirted with a few storylines over the last three years that could have been brilliant - drug addict Sharon, Deny's decent into a little thug, ripping off Phil - but they stopped after an episode or two!
Sharon used to be the Queen Bee of the square and I do wonder if that had something to do with The Vic. In there she could rule. Away from it and she has nothing. I suppose it was the characters safety net, her stage.
Personally I think when she returned in 2012 she should have come back as stepmother to a whole bunch of teenagers. A reads made family is exactly what Sharon needed. She kind of works as a Mitchell, but Phil doesn't respect her enough to let her rule the troops, and in turn the troops don't seem to have much respect for Sharon.
I hate affair storylines but by god Sharon needs to have one. It's just there's no one I can see her going off with! Plus it was a huge mistake making her so financially vulnerable.
Sharon works best when she's plotting revenge, taking the upper hand and throwing bitchy one liners. One upon a time she was Mitchell top dog, able to rule both Grant and Phil with the bat of an eyelid. They loved her and knew not to mess with her, and Peggy hated her for having so much power over her boys. This is the Sharon I remember, and the one Phil needs to be reminded of.
No one messes with Sharon Watts!”
Ha ha, 'in there she could rule'. I love it. Is it wrong that your post has made me think (deep breaths) that Sharon and Mick Carter could possibly ... maybe work? Imagine the drama of her betrayal of Linda, the 'happy family' Carter vibe tarnished forever, Shirley as a mother-in-law-substitute-figure!? But most of all the inevitable scene of Letitia Dean approaching the Victoria bust after hours before cocking a glass of gin at it in recognition of her triumph.
Mick wouldn't work. His character is devoted to Linda and nothing is ever going to change that. His kids would kick off and in all honesty, I think Danny Dyer could refuse to do it. Mick is the kind of man who still can't believe his luck. He isn't made for straying.
However... Sharon and Phil going to war against Mick and Linda in order to get the Vic could work. I love Mick and Linda in The Vic, but I think they'd work equally well in The Albert.
As great as Ian and Sharon are together, I think more needs to be done to show Sharon a much better friend. She seems to be ignoring Linda a lot lately too.
When Kathy comes back I hope it's the final straw for Sharon and Phil - not that Kathy and Phil should take back up, but that when she finds out he knew Kathy was alive all this time and didn't tell Ian... Sharon is THE ONLY ONE who knows what Ian is about to go through, so I hope she goes all crazy with Phil.
When Kathy comes back I hope it's the final straw for Sharon and Phil - not that Kathy and Phil should take back up, but that when she finds out he knew Kathy was alive all this time and didn't tell Ian... Sharon is THE ONLY ONE who knows what Ian is about to go through, so I hope she goes all crazy with Phil.
Originally Posted by Menime123:
“It's the direction and material they're giving her. She's a bit player because she had absolutely no one else she can bounce off on the square. She's a part of everyone else's storylines and desperately lacking her own.
They have flirted with a few storylines over the last three years that could have been brilliant - drug addict Sharon, Deny's decent into a little thug, ripping off Phil - but they stopped after an episode or two!
Sharon used to be the Queen Bee of the square and I do wonder if that had something to do with The Vic. In there she could rule. Away from it and she has nothing. I suppose it was the characters safety net, her stage.
Personally I think when she returned in 2012 she should have come back as stepmother to a whole bunch of teenagers. A reads made family is exactly what Sharon needed. She kind of works as a Mitchell, but Phil doesn't respect her enough to let her rule the troops, and in turn the troops don't seem to have much respect for Sharon.
I hate affair storylines but by god Sharon needs to have one. It's just there's no one I can see her going off with! Plus it was a huge mistake making her so financially vulnerable.
Sharon works best when she's plotting revenge, taking the upper hand and throwing bitchy one liners. One upon a time she was Mitchell top dog, able to rule both Grant and Phil with the bat of an eyelid. They loved her and knew not to mess with her, and Peggy hated her for having so much power over her boys. This is the Sharon I remember, and the one Phil needs to be reminded of.
No one messes with Sharon Watts!”
“It's the direction and material they're giving her. She's a bit player because she had absolutely no one else she can bounce off on the square. She's a part of everyone else's storylines and desperately lacking her own.
They have flirted with a few storylines over the last three years that could have been brilliant - drug addict Sharon, Deny's decent into a little thug, ripping off Phil - but they stopped after an episode or two!
Sharon used to be the Queen Bee of the square and I do wonder if that had something to do with The Vic. In there she could rule. Away from it and she has nothing. I suppose it was the characters safety net, her stage.
Personally I think when she returned in 2012 she should have come back as stepmother to a whole bunch of teenagers. A reads made family is exactly what Sharon needed. She kind of works as a Mitchell, but Phil doesn't respect her enough to let her rule the troops, and in turn the troops don't seem to have much respect for Sharon.
I hate affair storylines but by god Sharon needs to have one. It's just there's no one I can see her going off with! Plus it was a huge mistake making her so financially vulnerable.
Sharon works best when she's plotting revenge, taking the upper hand and throwing bitchy one liners. One upon a time she was Mitchell top dog, able to rule both Grant and Phil with the bat of an eyelid. They loved her and knew not to mess with her, and Peggy hated her for having so much power over her boys. This is the Sharon I remember, and the one Phil needs to be reminded of.
No one messes with Sharon Watts!”
TPTB have - she has been turned into the Philth's doormat.
I knew it would happen but was hoping against hope to be surprised - her reaction to Mitchell's revelation about poor Dennis was nothing short of pathetic. As was her big 'revenge' storyline - meeting Marcus in the middle of the bloody square when there was all of London to choose from - talk about dumb.
All characters are destroyed at the altar of TPTB's little tinpot God and Sharon has been no different.
Originally Posted by sloe_gin:
“The Dennis thing is so weird isn't it? When Letitia Dean left in 2006 it seemed obvious that the story team had deliberately seeded it as a credible reason to bring her back at any moment (as long as Steve McFadden was still in the cast). I would have loved to see Kill Bill Sharon picking off her enemies around the Square.
There is something about the Watts gene that is 'apex predator'. Maybe they'll bring this out when Denny is old enough to have a re-cast?”
“The Dennis thing is so weird isn't it? When Letitia Dean left in 2006 it seemed obvious that the story team had deliberately seeded it as a credible reason to bring her back at any moment (as long as Steve McFadden was still in the cast). I would have loved to see Kill Bill Sharon picking off her enemies around the Square.
There is something about the Watts gene that is 'apex predator'. Maybe they'll bring this out when Denny is old enough to have a re-cast?”
I would really like to understand their thoughts on that as it was such a huge disappointment. I would love Shazza in her wedding dress screaming" I'm going to Kill Phil!" It was so frustrating seeing Shirley as his doormat post Hev and even more frustrating seeing them do the same thing to Sharon.
I do hope Denny reaches his full Watts potential one day. I'd be gutted if he ends up another Liam.
I do always love their scenes together
I would hardly call their scenes "beautifully written". But the chemistry is natural and perfect for whatever they are given to act ou anyway.
I would hardly call their scenes "beautifully written". But the chemistry is natural and perfect for whatever they are given to act ou anyway.
Originally Posted by Adrian_Ward1:
“Sharon will be clashing with Kathy.”
“Sharon will be clashing with Kathy.”
Which is why they should have made Sharon and Ben ultra close, she should have helped him integrate back into society and support him through his sexuality. Then when Kathy comes back poor ickle Ben becomes a pawn in their inevitable feud.
In fact, Sharon should have been integrated a lot more with the Mitchell's. For instance she could have become a good friend to Roxy while Ronnie was in panto causing further rifts for the two sisters.
Then you have Lola and Lexie, two people Sharon should be supporting and looking out for.
Ma Mitchell could have been a force to be reckoned with the last year, instead we have had silly little things like her feud with Kim that amounted to nothing.
The best bit of course has been her search for the father she never knew, but even then I think we should have seen Sharon go through a bit of soul searching.
The thing about Sharon's 3rd stint is that she's not really a major character this time around. Everything is there to make her one but DTC and the writers don't seem willing to take the plunge. Every time she's given something meaty to do she excels at it so I don't know what the problem is. Her revenge against Phil could have been fantastic based on that first episode with Marcus Christie but it fizzled out and was replaced with Shirley's revenge instead. She really should be integrated more with the Mitchells if her and Phil are in it for the long haul. She's wasted on this stupid feud with Kim and giving cameo pep talks to Ian (even though they're usually great scenes).
Ian, on the other hand, is in the midst of his biggest storyline ever and is a lot more interesting than he's been for years. Maybe it will be Sharon's turn soon enough but I think 2012 to 2014 was a total waste of the character and actress. She's slowly getting back to what she used to be in the glory days but she needs more focus. You'd think the writers would draw on the missing years of 1995 to 2001 and 2006 to 2012 to dredge something from her past up. Not many long term characters have the benefit of unexplored backstory to work with. It seems the writers want us to believe characters go into hibernation whenever they're away from the square.
The Dennis thing should have had more bite but at the end of the day Sharon and Phil work well together. If she'd shopped him to the police or killed him that would be the end of her ties to the Mitchells and she does work perfectly fine in that dynamic. As we saw a couple of years ago she's adrift without a family to work with. The same thing happened to Pat when Roy died. It took the Jacksons coming back to make her important again.
Ian, on the other hand, is in the midst of his biggest storyline ever and is a lot more interesting than he's been for years. Maybe it will be Sharon's turn soon enough but I think 2012 to 2014 was a total waste of the character and actress. She's slowly getting back to what she used to be in the glory days but she needs more focus. You'd think the writers would draw on the missing years of 1995 to 2001 and 2006 to 2012 to dredge something from her past up. Not many long term characters have the benefit of unexplored backstory to work with. It seems the writers want us to believe characters go into hibernation whenever they're away from the square.
The Dennis thing should have had more bite but at the end of the day Sharon and Phil work well together. If she'd shopped him to the police or killed him that would be the end of her ties to the Mitchells and she does work perfectly fine in that dynamic. As we saw a couple of years ago she's adrift without a family to work with. The same thing happened to Pat when Roy died. It took the Jacksons coming back to make her important again.
Just a little aside, I never could have imagined Ian and Sharon would still be on the tv 30 years later. Sharon especially I thought was gone for good when she left in 1995. It's amazing to think I've watched them since they were teenagers!
Originally Posted by Broken_Arrow:
“The thing about Sharon's 3rd stint is that she's not really a major character this time around. Everything is there to make her one but DTC and the writers don't seem willing to take the plunge. Every time she's given something meaty to do she excels at it so I don't know what the problem is. Her revenge against Phil could have been fantastic based on that first episode with Marcus Christie but it fizzled out and was replaced with Shirley's revenge instead. She really should be integrated more with the Mitchells if her and Phil are in it for the long haul. She's wasted on this stupid feud with Kim and giving cameo pep talks to Ian (even though they're usually great scenes).
Ian, on the other hand, is in the midst of his biggest storyline ever and is a lot more interesting than he's been for years. Maybe it will be Sharon's turn soon enough but I think 2012 to 2014 was a total waste of the character and actress. She's slowly getting back to what she used to be in the glory days but she needs more focus. You'd think the writers would draw on the missing years of 1995 to 2001 and 2006 to 2012 to dredge something from her past up. Not many long term characters have the benefit of unexplored backstory to work with. It seems the writers want us to believe characters go into hibernation whenever they're away from the square.
The Dennis thing should have had more bite but at the end of the day Sharon and Phil work well together. If she'd shopped him to the police or killed him that would be the end of her ties to the Mitchells and she does work perfectly fine in that dynamic. As we saw a couple of years ago she's adrift without a family to work with. The same thing happened to Pat when Roy died. It took the Jacksons coming back to make her important again.”
“The thing about Sharon's 3rd stint is that she's not really a major character this time around. Everything is there to make her one but DTC and the writers don't seem willing to take the plunge. Every time she's given something meaty to do she excels at it so I don't know what the problem is. Her revenge against Phil could have been fantastic based on that first episode with Marcus Christie but it fizzled out and was replaced with Shirley's revenge instead. She really should be integrated more with the Mitchells if her and Phil are in it for the long haul. She's wasted on this stupid feud with Kim and giving cameo pep talks to Ian (even though they're usually great scenes).
Ian, on the other hand, is in the midst of his biggest storyline ever and is a lot more interesting than he's been for years. Maybe it will be Sharon's turn soon enough but I think 2012 to 2014 was a total waste of the character and actress. She's slowly getting back to what she used to be in the glory days but she needs more focus. You'd think the writers would draw on the missing years of 1995 to 2001 and 2006 to 2012 to dredge something from her past up. Not many long term characters have the benefit of unexplored backstory to work with. It seems the writers want us to believe characters go into hibernation whenever they're away from the square.
The Dennis thing should have had more bite but at the end of the day Sharon and Phil work well together. If she'd shopped him to the police or killed him that would be the end of her ties to the Mitchells and she does work perfectly fine in that dynamic. As we saw a couple of years ago she's adrift without a family to work with. The same thing happened to Pat when Roy died. It took the Jacksons coming back to make her important again.”
I agree with you BA but I wish they hadn't bothered revealing the Dennis thing as it was just insulting and damaging to the character's credibility.
Also very good points Scrabbler.
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