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One of Chloes tweets,,,,victimless crime gets 10/20
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BusyV
21-07-2015
Chloe CoCo Wilburn ‏@ChloeJade59 11 Oct 2013
Peadophiles, murderers and rapists get silly sentences of less than 5, sometimes 3yrs..yet a perpetrator of a victimless crime get get 10/20

I am confused, I know this is an opinion but surely all crimes have a victim directly or indirectly?
threecheeses
21-07-2015
Slightly off topic but a teenage murderer round these parts got 18 years the other day, was quite surprised though he probably won't serve it all.

Anyway I agree yes, if she is referring to daddy then there are countless more victims along the way. Drug dealers could be considered serial killers in a round about way.
wotnot
21-07-2015
She needs to quit while she is ahead, it is one thing to not expect her father's crimes to affect how people view Chloe but when she is trying to minimise what he did she could come under some scrutiny.
Axist
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by BusyV:
“Chloe CoCo Wilburn ‏@ChloeJade59 11 Oct 2013
Peadophiles, murderers and rapists get silly sentences of less than 5, sometimes 3yrs..yet a perpetrator of a victimless crime get get 10/20

I am confused, I know this is an opinion but surely all crimes have a victim directly or indirectly?”

Who is the victim in the crime of possessing marijuana?
GrozzyGirl
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by BusyV:
“Chloe CoCo Wilburn ‏@ChloeJade59 11 Oct 2013
Peadophiles, murderers and rapists get silly sentences of less than 5, sometimes 3yrs..yet a perpetrator of a victimless crime get get 10/20

I am confused, I know this is an opinion but surely all crimes have a victim directly or indirectly?”

Originally Posted by wotnot:
“She needs to quit while she is ahead, it is one thing to not expect her father's crimes to affect how people view Chloe but when she is trying to minimise what he did she could come under some scrutiny.”

I don't know what her father has done that is victimless

I know it's aledged he deals drugs but what drugs and to whom in what manner?
wotnot
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by GrozzyGirl:
“I don't know what her father has done that is victimless

I know it's aledged he deals drugs but what drugs and to whom in what manner?”

“Turns out he was part of a huge drugs ring that was importing drugs in South Yorkshire. They got sent down for 88 years between them.”

I think it's safe to say that it wasn't paracetamol and all illegal drugs are harmful eventually or in some way. Personally I think dealers are scum and their crimes cannot be justified.
Axist
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by GrozzyGirl:
“I don't know what her father has done that is victimless

I know it's aledged he deals drugs but what drugs and to whom in what manner?”

http://www.southyorkshire.police.uk/...-operation-yap

Conspiracy to supply Amphetamine and money laundering.

10 years in prison.
Sasparella
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by GrozzyGirl:
“I don't know what her father has done that is victimless

I know it's aledged he deals drugs but what drugs and to whom in what manner?”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrit...r-jail-5681966
BusyV
21-07-2015
Big Brother contestant Chloe Wilburn's dad in jail for drugs and money laundering plot
08:47, 12 MAY 2015
BY GAVIN ALLEN
Edwin Wilburn was banged up on a 10-year stretch for conspiracy to supply drugs as part of an eight-man organised crime ring

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Channel 5 Fun loving: Yorkshire lass Chloe Wilburn
Big Brother contestant Chloe Wilburn's dad is in prison for his part in a drug dealing and money laundering operation, it was revealed today.

Office administrator Chloe, 25, will enter the hit Channel 5 show tonight - and is looking forward to having "a few weeks to do something a bit crazy."

However, it has emerged her dad Edwin Wilburn was jailed for 10 years in 2013 for being a 'principal conspirator' in a plot to import thousands of pounds’ worth of drugs.

The dark secret of the salt-of-the-earth Doncaster lass, who will enter the BB house with 15 others, was revealed in two newspapers today.

An insider told the Daily Star that Chloe opened up about her dad' at her final audition for the Channel 5 show.

He said: "She said ‘if I go in there, it might all come out about my dad. He’s been in prison for quite a while and he’s going to be there for quite a while as well.’

“Turns out he was part of a huge drugs ring that was importing drugs in South Yorkshire. They got sent down for 88 years between them.”

Edwin WilburnJailed for a decade: Edwin Wilburn
Wilburn pleaded guilty to the charges after being scooped up by Operation Yap, an eight-month investigation aimed at smashing an organised crime ring.

The Yorkshire and Humber Regional Organsied Crime Agency operation recovered more than £22,000 worth of cocaine, over £300k worth of amphetamine, over £7,000 worth of cannabis and almost £30,000 in cash.

Seizures were made in Lincolnshire, South Yorkshire and Greater Manchester between April and December 2012, and Wilburn was eventually jailed in September 2013 at Sheffield Crown Court.

Locking up Wilburn for a decade, the judge said: “You were a principal conspirator. You were plainly organising and directing activities with others in the conspiracy.”

At the time of sentencing Detective Constable Tammy Morrell-Knapton, who led the operation, said Wilburn, then 44, was 'involved in organised criminality.'

"The sentences handed out reflect the severity of the offences committed and the negative impact organised criminals have on communities.'

Wilburn was jailed alongside Philip Stocks (24 years), Clive Nicholson (12 years and 8 months), Terry Smith (12 years), Kevin O'Rourke (12 years), Nigel North (6 years), Micheal Meanley (5 years), Lee Colcombe (3 years), Lee Vaughan (30 months) and Christopher Connolly, who was sentenced at a later date.
Sasparella
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by Axist:
“http://www.southyorkshire.police.uk/...-operation-yap

Conspiracy to supply Amphetamine and money laundering.

10 years in prison.”

Wilburn pleaded guilty to the charges after being scooped up by Operation Yap, an eight-month investigation aimed at smashing an organised crime ring.

The Yorkshire and Humber Regional Organsied Crime Agency operation recovered more than £22,000 worth of cocaine, over £300k worth of amphetamine, over £7,000 worth of cannabis and almost £30,000 in cash.

Seizures were made in Lincolnshire, South Yorkshire and Greater Manchester between April and December 2012, and Wilburn was eventually jailed in September 2013 at Sheffield Crown Court.

Locking up Wilburn for a decade, the judge said: “You were a principal conspirator. You were plainly organising and directing activities with others in the conspiracy.”

At the time of sentencing Detective Constable Tammy Morrell-Knapton, who led the operation, said Wilburn, then 44, was 'involved in organised criminality.'
niwdeness
21-07-2015
There is no victimless crime but the level of harm drugs cause is often exaggerated by the media, and people perpetuate this, as seen in this thread. Amphetamines (like speed) are not like crack or heroin, they are not considered particularly addictive by most experts. "Legal" and "moral" are often mixed up by people.
GrozzyGirl
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by wotnot:
““Turns out he was part of a huge drugs ring that was importing drugs in South Yorkshire. They got sent down for 88 years between them.”

I think it's safe to say that it wasn't paracetamol and all illegal drugs are harmful eventually or in some way. Personally I think dealers are scum and their crimes cannot be justified.”

Right, that does sound far more serious than she seems to be attempting to paint it.
I never liked her much but lots of people did .
Originally Posted by Axist:
“http://www.southyorkshire.police.uk/...-operation-yap

Conspiracy to supply Amphetamine and money laundering.

10 years in prison.”

Money laundering, that's never victimless is it. I do wonder if Chloe has much understanding of how that works or even recognises that it's a crime.She appears to be very dumb.


Originally Posted by Sasparella:
“http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrit...r-jail-5681966”

I'd get my information from places other than The Mirror once it's story is based on her being in BB rather than his crime.
Perhaps you should source information more carefully if you'd like to take a big shift to "informed opinion. "
wotnot
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by BusyV:
“Wilburn was jailed alongside Philip Stocks (24 years), Clive Nicholson (12 years and 8 months), Terry Smith (12 years), Kevin O'Rourke (12 years), Nigel North (6 years), Micheal Meanley (5 years), Lee Colcombe (3 years), Lee Vaughan (30 months) and Christopher Connolly, who was sentenced at a later date.”

Till I got to Nigel North, I thought for a moment that was ages lmao
GrozzyGirl
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by niwdeness:
“There is no victimless crime but the level of harm drugs cause is often exaggerated by the media, and people perpetuate this, as seen in this thread. Amphetamines (like speed) are not like crack or heroin, they are not considered particularly addictive by most experts. Legal and moral are often mixed up by people.”

This isn't about the legalisation of drugs, but any illegal drug encourages illegal activity. A lot of pretty crime is undertaken by people getting money for drugs, addictive or not.

Anyway, the argument about the addictive nature of various drugs and how much they represent a gateway will rage on, but it's nothing to do with this.
niwdeness
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by GrozzyGirl:
“This isn't about the legalisation of drugs, but any illegal drug encourages illegal activity. A lot of pretty crime is undertaken by people getting money for drugs, addictive or not.

Anyway, the argument about the addictive nature of various drugs and how much they represent a gateway will rage on, but it's nothing to do with this.”

I said in my post that drugs are not a victimless crime, did I not?

The truth is almost nothing you purchase you can guarantee to be ethically sound. Most clothes you buy are made in sweat shops, for instance.
wotnot
21-07-2015
Amphetamines are extremely addictive and because their effectiveness slows down more quickly than other drugs users will often move on to higher classified drugs more quickly than with others. The effects of this crap are ruined lives for most users.
niwdeness
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by wotnot:
“Amphetamines are extremely addictive and because their effectiveness slows down more quickly than other drugs users will often move on to higher classified drugs more quickly than with others. The effects of this crap are ruined lives for most users.”

Are you confusing dependence with addiction?
Shabba-
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by BusyV:
“Chloe CoCo Wilburn ‏@ChloeJade59 11 Oct 2013
Peadophiles, murderers and rapists get silly sentences of less than 5, sometimes 3yrs..yet a perpetrator of a victimless crime get get 10/20

I am confused, I know this is an opinion but surely all crimes have a victim directly or indirectly?”


Reeks of desperation in here dragging up some tweet she posted nearly 2 years ago.
John_Smith86
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by threecheeses:
“Slightly off topic but a teenage murderer round these parts got 18 years the other day, was quite surprised though he probably won't serve it all.

Anyway I agree yes, if she is referring to daddy then there are countless more victims along the way. Drug dealers could be considered serial killers in a round about way.”

Really? You think drug dealers can be considered serial killers?
Fairy Wings
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by Shabba-:
“Reeks of desperation in here dragging up some tweet she posted nearly 2 years ago.”

Agree.
wotnot
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by niwdeness:
“Are you confusing dependence with addiction?”

Nope.
MargMck
21-07-2015
He was described as "a career criminal" in court so it's very unlikely there were no victims along the way.
However, I expect any daughter would be distressed if her father, regardless of what he'd done, would be upset if he was locked up for years, so explaining the misguided tweet of the time.
niwdeness
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by wotnot:
“Nope.”

Okay then, enlighten me. I don't know much about amphetamines, and there is limited clear info about it online, some sources have said it's a dependent drug, others have said it's addictive.

Either way, I stick to my original point that the media misreports and exaggerates the harm of recreational drugs, and in no is dealing them comparable to being a murderer, rapist or child-abuser.
Sasparella
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by GrozzyGirl:
“Right, that does sound far more serious than she seems to be attempting to paint it.
I never liked her much but lots of people did .


Money laundering, that's never victimless is it. I do wonder if Chloe has much understanding of how that works or even recognises that it's a crime.She appears to be very dumb.




I'd get my information from places other than The Mirror once it's story is based on her being in BB rather than his crime.
Perhaps you should source information more carefully if you'd like to take a big shift to "informed opinion. "”

Oh give it a rest, it's the exact same info as is in the Yorkshire Police report, why not stick to the story rather than taking a pop as per usual <sigh>
B L Zeebub
21-07-2015
Originally Posted by wotnot:
““Turns out he was part of a huge drugs ring that was importing drugs in South Yorkshire. They got sent down for 88 years between them.”

I think it's safe to say that it wasn't paracetamol and all illegal drugs are harmful eventually or in some way. Personally I think dealers are scum and their crimes cannot be justified.”

BIB - Ironically, a huge amount of drug deaths are caused by dealers cutting the drugs with cheap, legal and easily available Paracetamol.
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