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Old 21-08-2015, 12:30
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That is what I was getting at though, that Samsung has to go to newer extremes of specification to justify their high end prices.

Stuff like the Moto G is built at a much lower price, moving up in specification only when commodity prices fall.
So please explain to me why Samsung have released the S6E+ in Europe but not the Note 5? And "they haven't developed a European model" isn't an answer?

My theory is that they are stupid and will release it later when the market has moved on. I would suggest we all avoid Samsung but as that seems to be happening any way I have no need. I can reme,ber a time when I used to buy their phones. Nothing, short of a Galaxy Nexus 2, would compel me to do that these days.

The article today about falling smartphone sales in China shows that Samsung are finished there. They fell from 1st place to 6th and lost just under 50% of sales. Bloody hell.
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Old 21-08-2015, 12:55
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Perhaps Samsung should rebadge their high priced phones like Toyota, Honda and Nissan did with their cars?
Yes, put an Apple logo on them And "designed in California"
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Old 21-08-2015, 13:11
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Can't wait to see what Apple comes up with in the automotive world.

Especially as Apple products might be expensive, but not so much that it's out of the reach of ordinary people. A car on the other hand...

Huawei came up with the Honor brand to be more consumer friendly. ZTE has done the same. Perhaps Samsung needs to do this too.
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Old 21-08-2015, 15:14
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So please explain to me why Samsung have released the S6E+ in Europe but not the Note 5? And "they haven't developed a European model" isn't an answer?

My theory is that they are stupid and will release it later when the market has moved on.....
How about 'they have iPhone orders to fulfill' ? We know full well Samsung used third party chipsets in the likes of the S4 when Apple was making use of Samsung fabs.

They now have that problem that Qualcomm uses a lower end fab process making that alternative supply lacklustre. And we could also guess that Aple is only using Samsung for one iPhone model making sales fulfilment even harder to predict.


It is still a risk selling goods to Apple. I noticed a financial disclosure/statement from an iWatch parts supplier saying sales for them were at a level below break even.
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Old 21-08-2015, 15:23
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Apple doesn't get to where it is by treating suppliers well, any more than the supermarkets or other big businesses.

Only we, the consumer, can make them change their ways.

Are we supporting the dairy farmers? Are we going to stop going to restaurants that pocket the service charge etc?
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Old 21-08-2015, 17:27
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How about 'they have iPhone orders to fulfill' ? We know full well Samsung used third party chipsets in the likes of the S4 when Apple was making use of Samsung fabs.

They now have that problem that Qualcomm uses a lower end fab process making that alternative supply lacklustre. And we could also guess that Aple is only using Samsung for one iPhone model making sales fulfilment even harder to predict.


It is still a risk selling goods to Apple. I noticed a financial disclosure/statement from an iWatch parts supplier saying sales for them were at a level below break even.
When Apple moved away from Samsung their profits were impacted by a billion dollars (that's profit). Samsung were desperate to get that business back. Not sure they perceive the same risk that you do.
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Old 21-08-2015, 20:37
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When Apple moved away from Samsung their profits were impacted by a billion dollars (that's profit). Samsung were desperate to get that business back. Not sure they perceive the same risk that you do.
Some commentators believe that by being a major supplier to Apple, Samsung learnt how to manage inventory and applied that knowledge to making the Galaxy range, which is how they became no1 in Android and overtook Apple.

Question is can they retain that lead, or has the specification from the cheaper vendors now become as good as a Samsung device?
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Old 21-08-2015, 20:56
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I think that by being a conglomorate they already had inventory skills and I find bit amazing how fast they are catching the likes of Intel.

Who else but Samsung does camera modules, Flash memories and silicon?
There simply ain't anyone, not even in Japan.

Their problem is not having control of marketing and the media or the skills to change it.
If Samsung had a soft bendy phone no one in their right mind would consider it quality.
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Old 21-08-2015, 21:00
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Some commentators believe that by being a major supplier to Apple, Samsung learnt how to manage inventory and applied that knowledge to making the Galaxy range, which is how they became no1 in Android and overtook Apple.

Question is can they retain that lead, or has the specification from the cheaper vendors now become as good as a Samsung device?
Well, they definitely learnt a lot from Apple, as the court evidence proved

I just think Samsung have confused their customer base with so many different models and diluting of their own brand. They were misguided in thinking they were competing with Apple, when in reality they were competing with other android providers.
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Old 21-08-2015, 23:28
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They were misguided in thinking they were competing with Apple, when in reality they were competing with other android providers.
Agreed, and this was perpetuated by the tech-press talking about "iphone killers" all the time :-/
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Old 27-08-2015, 09:29
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I read that this $50 popular Chinese brand phone has a 720p screen. It shows how cheap standard screen tech has become.
http://www.doogee.cc/news_detail/newsId=252.html

Even more in iPhone 6 territory is the new LTE Xiaomi Remi 2.
With its 4.7" screen it is already available from the Amazon UK warehouse under £100.

http://m.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_redmi_2-6884.php100.

£100 also gets you a 6AH battery Octa Core smartphone in the Plus phablet size (Ram is 2GB, not 1GB)
http://m.gsmarena.com/doogee_s6000_p...news-12578.php.

In other tidbits associated with new Socs it is said that the 64 bit Qualcomm 410 only works in 32 bit mode, the design likely being a rushed interim thing. However I do wonder if they did that to limit the higher power draw associated with 64bit?
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Old 27-08-2015, 10:01
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Note -Seems that the 6000mah phone is Quad core, not the Octa I first thought.

I'm amazed Gsmarena can manage 2 errors in the one post!
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Old 27-08-2015, 10:03
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I'd like to see some of those as I wonder if they'll have poor quality displays, ancient image sensors and suspect SoCs. Benchmarking would need to be done to see if these new quad and octo core chipsets are really any good.
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Old 27-08-2015, 10:15
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Suspect?

I'm informed Mediatek are well ahead of Qualcomm, using the r3 A53.
Qualcomm have slow turnaround meaning the 410 is stuck on r0.
Plus Mediatek have doubled memory speed giving benchmarks more edge.
Qualcomm of course were caught flat footed by us gullible public wanting 64 bit, something not good for battery life.

The other thing to note is that fast moving Mediatek have moved to using a repectable 28nm. The race will on to be to grab 14nm Samsung or even Intel's in order to improve speed and/or battery.
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Old 27-08-2015, 10:51
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I was talking generally and not singling out any one chipset maker.

But even MediaTek because you mention it has produced some dross, just like Qualcomm.
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Old 27-08-2015, 11:13
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I assumed Mediatek was stuck on 40nm, so 28nm must be very recent.
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Old 27-08-2015, 11:33
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Aren't MediaTek using 20nm for their Helio X20? The X10 uses 28nm AFAIK. With Samsung using Exynos and MediaTek dominating the budget sector it's good that Qualcomm finally has some decent competition to rattle them up a bit although to be honest I'm not sure that more power is the biggest thing I want in a phone this year, mostly they're powerful enough for my liking.
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Old 27-08-2015, 14:02
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The sony z5 is coming out soon?

Going to buy out my contract with three and moving to either EE or Vodafone...
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Old 27-08-2015, 14:11
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Two models should be announced next week, one with a larger display than any current or previous Z flagship. In fact, there's as chance there could be a Compact model in the works too - but I doubt there will be three phones launched on the same day. Gotta save something for CES in January.

All likely to have a vastly improved camera (IMX230 or something even better?) and software, but otherwise probably not massively different to the earlier Xperia Z3/Z3+.
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Old 27-08-2015, 15:07
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Two models should be announced next week, one with a larger display than any current or previous Z flagship. In fact, there's as chance there could be a Compact model in the works too - but I doubt there will be three phones launched on the same day. Gotta save something for CES in January.

All likely to have a vastly improved camera (IMX230 or something even better?) and software, but otherwise probably not massively different to the earlier Xperia Z3/Z3+.
Need a new phone ASAP
Currently have the LG G2

Going to get the new Sony probably
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Old 27-08-2015, 17:34
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So please explain to me why Samsung have released the S6E+ in Europe but not the Note 5? And "they haven't developed a European model" isn't an answer?

My theory is that they are stupid and will release it later when the market has moved on. I would suggest we all avoid Samsung...
So despite the fact that the S6 screen costs 3 times as much as the i6 screen (using pixels and ignoring the fact that OLED manufacture costs far more too) its Samsung you hate, not Apple?

Damn Samsung for not bankrupting themselves selling the even more expensive to make Note. Its a funny old world!

BTW you can buy an S6 with a mega expensive screen for under £400 now. Boycott it.
Me, I like tech to move forwards, even if I do not buy it all. I'll include Mediatek in their chipsets there, that being part of a competitive ARMs race.
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Old 27-08-2015, 23:03
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So these are supposable the new Lumia 950 and 950XL. To me they look cheap for flagship phones and nothing like the Nokia Lumia 930. What happened to the metal edges from the 830 and 930? Microsoft doesn't seem to know anything about mobile phone design. They must have laid off all the Nokia team and kept on the mifrowodt ones
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Old 27-08-2015, 23:03
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So these are supposable the new Lumia 950 and 950XL. To me they look cheap for flagship phones and nothing like the Nokia Lumia 930. What happened to the metal edges from the 830 and 930? Microsoft doesn't seem to know anything about mobile phone design. They must have laid off all the Nokia team and kept on the Microsoft ones from the looks of it

http://m.windowscentral.com/alleged-...&utm_source=wp
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Old 30-08-2015, 15:54
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No, but as Samsung and LG continueto develop and expand OLED, affordability is nearly there for the likes of wikeyfox.

That is if they get to fulfill any roadmap.
I recall Archos dusplaing their Smartwatches early last year, yet so far they offer zilch.
Access to Gear must be the problem, what with non Gear, Moto 360 clones already out there for £40.
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Old 31-08-2015, 12:53
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Three brand new Sony Xperia Z5 models to be announced on Wednesday

Z5, Z5 Compact and Z5 Premium

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Check...UPDATE_id73147
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