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Old 15-09-2015, 09:11
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Well stamna modes should give 2 to 4 days usage. And even that G4 is better than many a last years phone for battery!
Spotted a Nexus 6 for £274. Not sure if it'll come down more though once the new one is announced.
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Old 15-09-2015, 13:00
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There's probably a lower limit for the Moto 6. It won't just end up at £49.99 or something crazy.

Once it gets to a low enough price, it will be snapped up and people will go crazy. It seems like it's pretty much there already.
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Old 15-09-2015, 13:32
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Amazon have got a release date of October 22nd for the Moto G 3rd Gen 2GB/16GB. Don't know why Motorola delayed it so much. Hope Tesco stock it as well.
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Old 15-09-2015, 16:52
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Moto X Style up for preorder at Moto Maker £399 for the base 32GB model. ETA: 9/10/15.

Not the greatest show Motorola. It was meant to be released in September, and now it costs £40 more than previously stated. I just hope Clove and other retailers are able to deliver the Moto X Style for £350 this month.
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Old 15-09-2015, 17:12
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Amazon have got a release date of October 22nd for the Moto G 3rd Gen 2GB/16GB. Don't know why Motorola delayed it so much. Hope Tesco stock it as well.
Few wanted the 1 GB Ram model maybe. The 2GB sold out quick in the US, but marketing departments like to impose delays anyway.
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Old 15-09-2015, 18:45
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Moto X Style up for preorder at Moto Maker £399 for the base 32GB model. ETA: 9/10/15.

Not the greatest show Motorola. It was meant to be released in September, and now it costs £40 more than previously stated. I just hope Clove and other retailers are able to deliver the Moto X Style for £350 this month.
There you go http://www.clove.co.uk/motorola-moto-x-style
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Old 15-09-2015, 19:00
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Yes that's what I was referring to, just really strange the time/price gap between Clove and Motomaker but hopefully it isn't too good to be true. Clove have said on twitter they expect no changes to the £350 price.
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Old 15-09-2015, 20:31
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Had you built a model online with a more expensive back cover material?
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Old 15-09-2015, 21:23
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Old 15-09-2015, 21:26
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Had you built a model online with a more expensive back cover material?
No £399 is the base model price, premium back covers are an additional £20 this year, storage an additional £35 slightly cheaper than last years £40 I think.
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Old 16-09-2015, 22:43
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Spotted a Nexus 6 for £274. Not sure if it'll come down more though once the new one is announced.
Hotukdeals report it at £260 now, so it is certainly falling
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Old 16-09-2015, 22:45
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Hotukdeals report it at £260 now, so it is certainly falling
It's one of the unfortunate aspects of buying an Android phone, the retail price falls like a skydiver with a defective parachute. It's horrible for those who buy on release and find it only costs 50% of the original price in 6-8 months. Resale value goes through the floor...
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Old 16-09-2015, 22:55
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People buying the Note all them years ago were the canny buyers, not that is wasnt the bleedin obvious that most wanted phablets if buying high end.
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Old 16-09-2015, 23:09
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People buying the Note all them years ago were the canny buyers, not that is wasnt the bleedin obvious that most wanted phablets if buying high end.
Nonsense, the Note lost value just as badly as other phones did.

I have to say, what isn't "bleeding obvious" is what you actually mean by the rest of your post...
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Old 16-09-2015, 23:22
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It's one of the unfortunate aspects of buying an Android phone, the retail price falls like a skydiver with a defective parachute. It's horrible for those who buy on release and find it only costs 50% of the original price in 6-8 months. Resale value goes through the floor...
It's really one of the aspects about buying anything really. Tellys, cars, pretty much everything devalues.

It's only really apple gear that keeps a high price.
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Old 16-09-2015, 23:36
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iPhone discounts never existed, so its not as rosy as you think.
Theres two discounts to think of, contract sale discounts and contract free discounts.
Both are rare for Apple.

I highlighted the Note in that buyers there bought knowing their needs better, phablets the more practical device available, at least until folding phones kill off the rather silly fragile design.
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Old 17-09-2015, 00:39
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Apple can price fix (this isn't the place to argue about legalities) so there's an element of price protection that simply doesn't exist for other manufacturers.

Samsung has tried harder than most, with phones locked to regions, but otherwise they're all going to drop in value quite quick.

The upside is you can of course get great deals if you shop around or wait, which isn't possible on getting an iPhone. Six months from now, it will cost the same unless Apple drops the SRP itself.
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Old 17-09-2015, 09:37
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The S6 can be had for under £400 cash yet its cloest new equiv by Apple is over £600 giving a £250 difference.

Thats £250 though as we know Samsung were forced to bring S6 up to Note size with the +. People do seem to be upping size rather than deciding their phone is now unfashionabley old.

I guess the I6 fully OKd carrying a phablet.
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Old 17-09-2015, 11:06
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The upside is you can of course get great deals if you shop around or wait, which isn't possible on getting an iPhone. Six months from now, it will cost the same unless Apple drops the SRP itself.
But that is made up when you can sell the iPhone at the end of 11-12months for around 75% of its original sale price.
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Old 17-09-2015, 11:23
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Once the supply market ceases to be mainly ex contract phones, after market prices will reflect the total price better.

Im not sure it will ever happen, even with the bigger discounts likely now offered to networks for the iPhone.
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Old 17-09-2015, 11:57
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But that is made up when you can sell the iPhone at the end of 11-12months for around 75% of its original sale price.
Absolutely. That's one of the BIG pluses for any Apple product. I've only ever sold old Apple products (iMac, MacBook Pro, MacBook Air etc) because anything else is either worthless or nobody wants at any price.

However, I'm not sure if you're necessarily quids in over time compared to buying a cheaper phone in the first place (by not being an early adopter and paying silly money, or signing up to 24 month contracts etc).

I always tell people to work out the total cost of ownership, and I guess that includes taking into account the value of an old device if you can sell it.

Far too many people don't do any of that. They get swayed by a salesperson and are too excited by the prospect of walking away with something working there and then to do the maths.

(And I'm no better; I've made plenty of dumb impulse purchases over the years, including two cars!)
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Old 17-09-2015, 11:59
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Once the supply market ceases to be mainly ex contract phones, after market prices will reflect the total price better.

Im not sure it will ever happen, even with the bigger discounts likely now offered to networks for the iPhone.
I don't think Apple needs to discount anything to networks. Networks are very much told it's take it or leave it. They'd love to be able to play Apple like they do other manufacturers, but Apple is bigger than the networks and can easily say 'fine, sod off' which wouldn't happen for LG, Sony, HTC and others. Even Samsung probably has less influence than it once did, and would never have been in the same league anyway.
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Old 17-09-2015, 12:13
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http://m.channelregister.co.uk/2015/...nopoly_tested/

Says there Apple is/was reliant on networks for 90% of sales.
I said several years ago Apple was holding back selling phablets, Apple doing a much better job of sales on small phones whilst supporting sales of the iPad. But even they know the current 90% situation will end.

Like I said, the true average price must includes the contract if that is where all the sales are.
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Old 17-09-2015, 12:20
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http://m.channelregister.co.uk/2015/...nopoly_tested/

Says there Apple is/was reliant on networks for 90% of sales.
What you aren't understanding is that Apple holds the power, if network A says they won't take the iPhone on Apple's terms then Apple will just not supply them and Networks B,C and D will take extra phones to cater for the people who will leave Network A just to get the new iPhone at launch.

Not many consumers who use iPhone have your strange ideas and attitudes to Apple, the phone choice is more important to them than the network choice, and the networks know it.
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Old 17-09-2015, 12:33
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The regular upgrade cycle has ended for Android, Apple has only had 12 months of selling phablets plus this is their very first year of 2GB of Ram.

All good things come to an end, the percentage of upgraders will undoubtably shrink big time.
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