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Old 18-08-2015, 20:29
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Is Moto X Play the cheap one and Moto X Style the expensive one with better specs?
Yep bigger battery 3600 mah and slower cpu on the play.
Think the Style will come in at £359 when released.
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Old 18-08-2015, 20:45
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The Moto X Play is up for sale on the Moto website £279.
https://www.motorola.co.uk/moto-x/moto-x-play-uk.html
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Old 18-08-2015, 21:41
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The Play has the exact same camera and better battery, but despite all my comments about battery life - I'd rather have the Style. If only that had a bigger battery too.
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Old 18-08-2015, 21:46
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1080p screen on the Play its a pity the Style has the QHD display to drain battery life even more.
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Old 18-08-2015, 22:16
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So what's the difference between the play and the better one?

Has this got a finger print sensor given that's how they all seem to be going?

Also how will this compared to the Nexus 4? Will it be quicker as its only got the same ram.
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Old 18-08-2015, 22:49
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Play - Snapdragon 615 and 2GB RAM, plus FHD display.

Style - Snapdragon 808 and 3GB RAM, plus QHD display.

Nexus 4 was Snapdragon S4 Pro wasn't it? Probably not far off the 615 in performance terms, but that's about it.
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Old 18-08-2015, 22:59
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Play - Snapdragon 615 and 2GB RAM, plus FHD display.

Style - Snapdragon 808 and 3GB RAM, plus QHD display
Do you know the battery size for each phone?
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Old 19-08-2015, 06:00
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Do you know the battery size for each phone?
The Style has a 3ah battery and the Play has a 3.65ah battery. The Play looks like it will be an endurance king.
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Old 19-08-2015, 07:44
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But you CAN benchmark phones and it is surely possible to pretty accurately predict usage based on specific tasks. You can find out the consumption of specific apps in real time with the right 'tools', work out the consumption of the CPU and GPUs and loads of other things.

The thing is, most review sites (if not ALL, even the really focussed ones like Anandtech) cannot do that level of testing, and still be accused of not testing every combination of apps/games/screen on, or indeed how apps are used. A game being loaded isn't the same as being played heavily etc.

I think a good general rule is screen on time. That gives you a fairly good idea, and if you are glued to your smartphone every day - but generally only for fairly simple things like using social media, reading email, IMing and surfing the web then you'll likely get closer to the maximum SoT than if you're watching video that's streaming using mobile data, using GPS navigation (with the screen on updating maps in real time) or playing games.

Likewise, using the camera on some phones is another killer - and especially recording video.

I don't think any site has yet found a way to properly measure or compare battery life. Talking about a device lasting a full day is equally vague. I'm guilty of this myself sometimes, but there are just so many variables.

Ultimately though, if you've got a phone with a 4,000mAh battery then it will almost certainly beat one with a 3,000mAh battery, even if the latter phone has loads of power saving options. Chances are nearly all of those power saving options are when the phone is in a near or actual sleep state.
Although you are right that someone could make a test it would still be fundamentally flawed as they wouldn't be able to factor different things like poor reception and this is pretty important to some people . I agree that we all like to us SoT as a measure but I am certain some people who post screen shots on XDA spoof this by not actually doing anything with the phone other than having the screen on minimum brightness – so yes the will get 6 hours.

Having an efficient OS without to much bloat in the background will also make a big difference. A phone should not drain significantly on standby. iOS is (from what I’ve heard) very good at this. A clean build of Android can be good as well (are you listening Samsung) and hopefully the improvements in 6.0 will help.
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Old 19-08-2015, 09:58
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That Play advertises its energy sipping feature yet that low speed low energy Snapdragon is built on old 28nm. An S6 with the power sapping A57 cores off could actually be better for someone occasionally preferring battery life to speed.
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Old 19-08-2015, 11:04
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The use of the word 'effficiency' suggests the upcoming iPhone 6s gets a die shrink.
If they struck a deal to get Samsung's silicon factory efficiency for the A9 SOC then how will Samsung still manage without buying Qualcomm chips for their S6 again?
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Old 19-08-2015, 11:54
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The Play has the exact same camera and better battery, but despite all my comments about battery life - I'd rather have the Style. If only that had a bigger battery too.
Are you sure about the cameras jonmorris? I know they are both 21MP however I'm wondering if the Style uses the newer 21MP sensor with phase detection autofocus and the Play uses an older 21MP sensor without phase detection autofocus, probably the same one that was used in last years Droid Turbo.
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Old 19-08-2015, 12:08
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That Play advertises its energy sipping feature yet that low speed low energy Snapdragon is built on old 28nm. An S6 with the power sapping A57 cores off could actually be better for someone occasionally preferring battery life to speed.
Are you suggesting buying a £500 phone, rooting it and installing a custom kernel (that would cripple performance) in the hope that the battery life would be better than a phone with more than 1Ah under the hood?
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Old 19-08-2015, 12:45
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Are you sure about the cameras jonmorris? I know they are both 21MP however I'm wondering if the Style uses the newer 21MP sensor with phase detection autofocus and the Play uses an older 21MP sensor without phase detection autofocus, probably the same one that was used in last years Droid Turbo.
They said at the event the camera was identical in both models.

But the Motorola site says:

X Play

21 MP
f /2.0 aperture
Quick Capture
Tap anywhere to capture
Colour Correlated Temperature (CCT) flash with dual LEDs
1080p HD video (30 fps)
Slow motion video
4X digital zoom
Burst mode
Night mode
Auto HDR
Panorama
Drag to focus & exposure

X Style:

21 MP
f/2.0 aperture
Phase Detect Auto-Focus (PDAF)
Closed loop processing
Color Correlated Temperature (CCT) flash with dual LEDs
Quick Capture
Tap (anywhere) to capture
4X digital zoom
Burst mode
Night mode
Auto HDR
Panorama
Drag to focus & exposure
Video Stabilization
1080p HD video (60 fps)
4K video (30fps)
Slow Motion video
Video HDR (1080p and 4K)

So it seems you are correct. I bet Motorola will claim it just meant they are the same resolution.

Basically, I want the battery in the Play but everything else from the Style!
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Old 19-08-2015, 13:05
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Are you suggesting buying a £500 phone, rooting it and installing a custom kernel (that would cripple performance) in the hope that the battery life would be better than a phone with more than 1Ah under the hood?
How would installing a custom kernel cripple performance?...

In many ways it improves it vastly.
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Old 19-08-2015, 13:59
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To try and create an awkward analogy, I'd hope that a car maker would always be seeking to improve engine technology to use less fuel, but still offer good performance - without then deciding to reduce the size of the fuel tank. The benefits would be lower emissions, good performance and better range.

For some reason phone makers are, rightly, seeking to use better SoCs to reduce power consumption, while keeping a decent level of performance, but then thinking they can reduce the battery size perhaps to make the phone that bit thinner.

I'd say use the extra space gained to go UP in battery size, as some companies are seeing as a selling point - and hopefully in 2016 more will.

I can't wait to see what Samsung decides to do in 2017. I suspect a major U-turn, with larger capacity batteries (albeit still fixed) and a return of expandable storage by the user.

That is unless I'm totally wrong and people are happy to pay £829 for a 64GB Galaxy S6 edge+ and goodness knows how much for a 128GB version if Samsung decides to offer it later this year or early next.
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Old 19-08-2015, 16:01
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To try and create an awkward analogy, I'd hope that a car maker would always be seeking to improve engine technology to use less fuel, but still offer good performance - without then deciding to reduce the size of the fuel tank. The benefits would be lower emissions, good performance and better range.
That analogy fails as not many people try and carry their car in their pocket .
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Old 19-08-2015, 17:41
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But many people carry a phone in their car!
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Old 19-08-2015, 22:11
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Lol

http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_picks_on_...blog-13617.php

Someone finally said it.
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Old 19-08-2015, 22:43
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All very good, but probably would have been better if LG had announced its own Note clone (which, from memory, has never been released outside of Asia?) rather than the G4 - which is nearer to the S6 edge+ that IS coming to Europe!

Still, I guess it's funny even if it doesn't quite work.

I hear that Samsung will be scrapping all but the most profitable models from 2016, meaning we can expect the company to try and sell only devices it can sell at Apple prices, not the cheaper low to mid-range models.

I do think Samsung has now lost the plot, and must surely discover soon that the S6 edge+ at £829 SIM free for the 64GB model is insane.
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Old 19-08-2015, 23:14
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Please tell me that is a joke on the pricing? I was expecting about £550 and even then, its over priced.
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Old 19-08-2015, 23:21
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Please tell me that is a joke on the pricing? I was expecting about £550 and even then, its over priced.
No, they are trying to be superior to Apple, even on pricing .
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Old 19-08-2015, 23:33
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All very good, but probably would have been better if LG had announced its own Note clone (which, from memory, has never been released outside of Asia?) rather than the G4 - which is nearer to the S6 edge+ that IS coming to Europe!

Still, I guess it's funny even if it doesn't quite work.

I hear that Samsung will be scrapping all but the most profitable models from 2016, meaning we can expect the company to try and sell only devices it can sell at Apple prices, not the cheaper low to mid-range models.

I do think Samsung has now lost the plot, and must surely discover soon that the S6 edge+ at £829 SIM free for the 64GB model is insane.
Samsung are so desperate to become Apple they have forgotten what they stood for in the first place. Differentiation is important.
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Old 19-08-2015, 23:42
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No, they are trying to be superior to Apple, even on pricing .
Lol!

If they do this then they are going to struggle to shift units and be at the same position that Motorola were at before google came in.
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Old 19-08-2015, 23:57
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I do think Samsung has now lost the plot, and must surely discover soon that the S6 edge+ at £829 SIM free for the 64GB model is insane.
Where did you get this pricing from? It can't possibly cost that much???
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