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Old 21-07-2015, 23:35
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It just came to me following the murder storyline being revisited. Has anybody else thought this?
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Old 21-07-2015, 23:42
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It wouldn't work.

Nothing she did prior to her death, nor in the flashback episode would fit with this theory.

It's a good idea tbh, but doesn't work in retrospect.
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Old 21-07-2015, 23:47
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It wouldn't work.

Nothing she did prior to her death, nor in the flashback episode would fit with this theory.

It's a good idea tbh, but doesn't work in retrospect.
Oh I know, I think if Lucy was to have known about it then we would have found out during the flashback episode. I still have a feeling there could be a twist and I don't know why...
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Old 22-07-2015, 00:00
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I got the impression when Ben and Lucy said something about going to Miami that they were going to meet Kathy
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Old 22-07-2015, 01:01
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Phil seems to think Ben hasn't a clue. *Maybe* Ben assumes himself (and Lucy before her death) know about Kathy's whereabouts and thinks no one else knows.
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Old 22-07-2015, 08:27
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I think the same and that harrys "ben will be angry" was to putnus off the scent. I think he and lucy both clearly knew.
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Old 22-07-2015, 08:30
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Ben has no reason to not tell Ian. He doesn't know.
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Old 22-07-2015, 08:30
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It wouldn't work.

Nothing she did prior to her death, nor in the flashback episode would fit with this theory.

It's a good idea tbh, but doesn't work in retrospect.
Ben could told her in a prison visit and told her not totell ian as it could cause a breakdown given ians past. Lucy agreed and decided to join him but backed out after the events of the night and nerves. Thats my theory.
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Old 22-07-2015, 08:34
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It wouldn't work.

Nothing she did prior to her death, nor in the flashback episode would fit with this theory.

It's a good idea tbh, but doesn't work in retrospect.
Although EastEnders has not been afraid of "retconning" in the past so little details like this wouldn't necessarily trouble them...
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Old 22-07-2015, 10:29
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Thats a good theory OP. In the flashback episode it was revealed that Ben and Lucy planned to go to Miami together no other details of this plan have ever been revealed. Why were they planning on going there? Who were they meeting? Was it Kathy?
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Old 22-07-2015, 16:35
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Ben could told her in a prison visit and told her not totell ian as it could cause a breakdown given ians past. Lucy agreed and decided to join him but backed out after the events of the night and nerves. Thats my theory.
Now we're relying on Ben also knowing ever since he was last in prison well over a year ago? That's a bigger stretch than Lucy knowing before her death.

Although EastEnders has not been afraid of "retconning" in the past so little details like this wouldn't necessarily trouble them...
Yes, but that's retconning years old details, like they will do now with the fact that Ian went to Africa to identify her body in 2006.

This is retconning an episode from a few months ago, which was presumably made after they'd decided to bring Kathy back, so if they intended for Lucy to know, they'd have hinted at it a bit more.
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Old 22-07-2015, 17:28
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Ben doesn't know about Kathy. If he did he would spill the news as she was the one who made him the murdering scum he is today.
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Old 22-07-2015, 17:34
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I think that EE need to pull something out of the bag to bring the Lucy murder back into the realms of reality. Having really got into EastEnders in the couple of years running up to the Lucy storyline, I was disappointed with the 'reveal' of Bobby as her killer and have remained switched off ever since.

It'd be good if someone else really did kill Lucy and both Jane and Bobby are mistaken. Perhaps the much-discussed 'Gavin' bumped her off when he discovered she knew about Kathy?
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Old 22-07-2015, 17:39
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Ben doesn't know about Kathy. If he did would spill as she was the one who made him the murdering scum he is today.
Not really. Living with Phil for the last 10 years made him the scum he is today.
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Old 22-07-2015, 17:40
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I think that EE need to pull something out of the bag to bring the Lucy murder back into the realms of reality. Having really got into EastEnders in the couple of years running up to the Lucy storyline, I was disappointed with the 'reveal' of Bobby as her killer and have remained switched off ever since.

It'd be good if someone else really did kill Lucy and both Jane and Bobby are mistaken. Perhaps the much-discussed 'Gavin' bumped her off when he discovered she knew about Kathy?
Yes because children never kill anyone in reality.

The flashback episode confirmed what happened to Lucy, that's it.
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Old 22-07-2015, 17:53
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I got the impression when Ben and Lucy said something about going to Miami that they were going to meet Kathy
Yes I don't know why but I thought that too as soon as they mentioned going to Miami
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Old 22-07-2015, 17:53
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Yes because children never kill anyone in reality.

The flashback episode confirmed what happened to Lucy, that's it.
OK thanks for that.

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Old 22-07-2015, 17:55
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I think that EE need to pull something out of the bag to bring the Lucy murder back into the realms of reality. Having really got into EastEnders in the couple of years running up to the Lucy storyline, I was disappointed with the 'reveal' of Bobby as her killer and have remained switched off ever since.

It'd be good if someone else really did kill Lucy and both Jane and Bobby are mistaken. Perhaps the much-discussed 'Gavin' bumped her off when he discovered she knew about Kathy?
How would that be possible? I don't see how Jane could be mistaken over Bobby being responsible for Lucy's death unless Lucy inexplicably wasn't dead, woke up on the common and conveniently Gavin was waiting there to kill her for knowing about Kathy, which would do the exact opposite of bringing the murder 'back into the realms of reality'...
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Old 22-07-2015, 18:07
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How would that be possible? I don't see how Jane could be mistaken over Bobby being responsible for Lucy's death unless Lucy inexplicably wasn't dead, woke up on the common and conveniently Gavin was waiting there to kill her for knowing about Kathy, which would do the exact opposite of bringing the murder 'back into the realms of reality'...
Quite. Or he somehow sneaked into the house to finish her off between Bobby hitting her and Jane arriving without Bobby seeing. Not really feasible imo.

I think a lot of people hate the reveal so much they are willing to accept any other explanation but i agree with whoever said that was the reveal, the explanation. They gave so much publicity to the anniversary week, that 10 months of 'Who Killed Lucy Beale' would be answered in the flashback episode and it being Bobby was even reported in the Press and on National News. For them to then turn round and say "Sucked in, wasn't him after all, just another red herring" isn't really possible I don't think. No other 'reveal' would ever be trusted.
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Old 22-07-2015, 18:54
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Well I read that wrong,thought it said lucy was actually alive before she was murdered ;0
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Old 22-07-2015, 19:22
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Maybe the OP is psychic?
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Old 22-07-2015, 19:23
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Thats a good theory OP. In the flashback episode it was revealed that Ben and Lucy planned to go to Miami together no other details of this plan have ever been revealed. Why were they planning on going there? Who were they meeting? Was it Kathy?
I got the impression when Ben and Lucy said something about going to Miami that they were going to meet Kathy
Since we heard Kathy is coming back this has also been in the back of my mind, I'm sure Miami was mentioned for a reason.
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Old 22-07-2015, 19:35
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Quite. Or he somehow sneaked into the house to finish her off between Bobby hitting her and Jane arriving without Bobby seeing. Not really feasible imo.

I think a lot of people hate the reveal so much they are willing to accept any other explanation but i agree with whoever said that was the reveal, the explanation. They gave so much publicity to the anniversary week, that 10 months of 'Who Killed Lucy Beale' would be answered in the flashback episode and it being Bobby was even reported in the Press and on National News. For them to then turn round and say "Sucked in, wasn't him after all, just another red herring" isn't really possible I don't think. No other 'reveal' would ever be trusted.
Seems that way, bit silly though as most of the criticism of Bobby being the killer surrounds the lack of realism when to say right now that actually Bobby wasn't the killer would make the whole thing much more unrealistic, especially as it's been so explicitly stated that it was him. There's a very tiny chance that it could still be somebody else as we didn't actually see Bobby kill Lucy, but as you said that would be totally not feasible and would require taking the storyline on a far more unrealistic route that it's already on, thus rendering the want for a new explanation of her murder completely pointless.
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Old 22-07-2015, 19:49
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OK thanks for that.

You're welcome.

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Old 22-07-2015, 21:01
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Yes I don't know why but I thought that too as soon as they mentioned going to Miami
I'm really curious as to why Ben wanted to go to Miami. On a related note, I'd like to know why, when an EE character is going to the US, that the destination is always in Florida.

Have the EE writers ever been to Florida? Sure, it has palm trees and is fairly warm, but it's also flat, muggy, and kind of ugly everywhere except the beach. Why doesn't anyone want to go to big cities - New York, Chicago, LA? Why not go to the mountains in Colorado or Utah? There are even some very pretty parts in my own state of Tennessee. Nope - for some reason EE characters are always beckoned to...Florida.

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