Originally Posted by abrightyz:
“aaron never complained about that... and vice versa
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“aaron never complained about that... and vice versa
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ED - Is Robert Leaving Emmerdale
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Originally Posted by spunger:
“After ladt weeks efforts anyone who thinks Ryan Hawley will be getting better offers than being in a soap cannot know much about acting. In those dreadful hammy scenes with Aaron and Paddy he completely failed to deliver what he was supposed to be conveying.
He'd be laughed out of town acting as woodenly as that if he was put alongside half decent actors in a proper drama. At this moment in time no producer for a quality drama would touch him with a barge pole. People really do think being a popular and watchable soap character means they are good actors even when it is shown they are clearly not good actors. When required to stop playing the panto villian and deliver some proper sensitive emotion he failed to step up to the plate.”
“After ladt weeks efforts anyone who thinks Ryan Hawley will be getting better offers than being in a soap cannot know much about acting. In those dreadful hammy scenes with Aaron and Paddy he completely failed to deliver what he was supposed to be conveying.
He'd be laughed out of town acting as woodenly as that if he was put alongside half decent actors in a proper drama. At this moment in time no producer for a quality drama would touch him with a barge pole. People really do think being a popular and watchable soap character means they are good actors even when it is shown they are clearly not good actors. When required to stop playing the panto villian and deliver some proper sensitive emotion he failed to step up to the plate.”
Robert is a pantomime villain. He is selfish, and a bully, with the biggest chip on his shoulder and a snivelling wimp when he gets caught. Ryan Hawley is doing a very good job of it.
Originally Posted by ME1234567:
“Yeah but Robert would eat him alive”
“Yeah but Robert would eat him alive
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Figuratively speaking; of course!
Originally Posted by Andybear:
“That may be so but I still don't understand why soap-lea thinks they will both need pairing up.”
“That may be so but I still don't understand why soap-lea thinks they will both need pairing up.”
Exactly, I know lots of people who are happy to live on their own, and why not?
Originally Posted by purple bunny:
“Haven't you watched the trailer? I reckon he hangs himself in the woods. That's what the camera angle is all about. & I've not watched ed for ages.”
“Haven't you watched the trailer? I reckon he hangs himself in the woods. That's what the camera angle is all about. & I've not watched ed for ages.”
God no!
Originally Posted by pollysue1939:
“Exactly, I know lots of people who are happy to live on their own, and why not?”
“Exactly, I know lots of people who are happy to live on their own, and why not?”
I agree in principle, as Im one but in my experience outside of large towns and cities, singletons over say 25 are not that common.
Originally Posted by RadicalNature:
“Ryan is a great actor. !”
“Ryan is a great actor. !”
Great actors are in demand and are the ones who are able to sit at home and wait for the scripts from the best producers and directors to be posted through their letterbox. Martin Scorcesse won't be contacting Ryan anytime soon.
Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“You said you liked his scene with Andy though. I agree, I thought that was good. In fact I really liked it.”
“You said you liked his scene with Andy though. I agree, I thought that was good. In fact I really liked it.”
I did enjoy that scene
but that was mainly down to the dialogue and Kelvin Fletcher who was much the better more powerful of the two and Kelvin is not rated as one of the better soap actors.
Originally Posted by pollysue1939:
“Robert is a pantomime villain. He is selfish, and a bully, with the biggest chip on his shoulder and a snivelling wimp when he gets caught. Ryan Hawley is doing a very good job of it.”
“Robert is a pantomime villain. He is selfish, and a bully, with the biggest chip on his shoulder and a snivelling wimp when he gets caught. Ryan Hawley is doing a very good job of it.”
I have already said he can do the panto villian stuff just as Charlie Hardwick can ham it up with the best of them in full panto mode. But in soaps panto villians are allowed to get away with acting murder so long as the character is fun to watch. However even in soaps there comes a time when the panto acting has to stop and the actor has to do some proper acting. When the time came for Ryan he couldn't do it. He had to act by numbers and what we saw was someone as dry as a stone doing some face pulling. For a big scene it was some of the very poorest acting i've ever seen in a soap.
Originally Posted by spunger:
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Great actors are in demand and are the ones who are able to sit at home and wait for the scripts from the best producers and directors to be posted through their letterbox. Martin Scorcesse won't be contacting Ryan anytime soon.”
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Great actors are in demand and are the ones who are able to sit at home and wait for the scripts from the best producers and directors to be posted through their letterbox. Martin Scorcesse won't be contacting Ryan anytime soon.”
Oh come come Spunger, even De Niro's put in a few duff performances at times.
Yes, Ryan wasn't at his best this week IMO but overall he's done pretty well as Robert. No need to completely rubbish him.
Although I have to say I'm not a huge fan of gangster movies so I guess I'll never know whether he reaches that hallowed ground
Originally Posted by Glendarroch:
“I agree in principle, as Im one but in my experience outside of large towns and cities, singletons over say 25 are not that common.”
“I agree in principle, as Im one but in my experience outside of large towns and cities, singletons over say 25 are not that common.”
I'm one of the few then - am well over 25, live in a village and am single.
Originally Posted by Glendarroch:
“Oh come come Spunger, elven De Niro's put in a few duff performances at times.
Yes, Ryan wasn't at his best this week IMO but overall he's done pretty well as Robert. No need to completely rubbish him.
Although I have to say I'm not a huge fan of gangster movies so I guess I'll never know whether he reaches that hallowed ground”
“Oh come come Spunger, elven De Niro's put in a few duff performances at times.
Yes, Ryan wasn't at his best this week IMO but overall he's done pretty well as Robert. No need to completely rubbish him.
Although I have to say I'm not a huge fan of gangster movies so I guess I'll never know whether he reaches that hallowed ground
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The great De Niro is many years past his best. When he was truly great he chose his roles carefully. The rot started when he started making loads of movies back to back purely for the paycheck. De Niro was great, but Ryan Hawley is a million miles away from being great and that goes for 99.9% of soap actors.
If we all accepted soaps for what they are and the acting in soaps for what it is then I would have no argument with anyone but for so long as I keep seeing rudiculous OTT comments about how brilliant these soap ctors are, then I will continue to rubbish those claims.
Many do a decent job under quite difficult conditions but that is as far as we should go with the praise.I still maintain Ryan Hawley woule struggle away from soaps with his current level of acting. He is sorely lacking in some of the basics.
Originally Posted by Glendarroch:
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Although I have to say I'm not a huge fan of gangster movies so I guess I'll never know whether he reaches that hallowed ground”
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Although I have to say I'm not a huge fan of gangster movies so I guess I'll never know whether he reaches that hallowed ground
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Two of his best were not gangster movies.
Rupert Pubkin in The King Of Comedy and Jake LaMotta in Raging Bull.
Two wildly different roles that showed just how great he once was.
Id be so upset if he's killed off. It would seem strange if they did that. I mean they went through the trouble of replacing the actor with somebody else, turn the character gay. Make him an accidental killer. All that just to kill him off when the characters only been back in it less than a year. They shouldn't of bothered to have brought him back at all if their just killing him off. Seems pointless.
He will get way with his crimes and worm is way back into favour. He will then start all over again.
Originally Posted by spunger:
“I did enjoy that scene but that was mainly down to the dialogue and Kelvin Fletcher who was much the better more powerful of the two and Kelvin is not rated as one of the better soap actors.”
“I did enjoy that scene
but that was mainly down to the dialogue and Kelvin Fletcher who was much the better more powerful of the two and Kelvin is not rated as one of the better soap actors.”
I think Kelvin gets a bit overlooked. His performances after Katie's death were really moving I thought. But yes, I think Ryan and Kelvin work really well together.
Like I've said, I don't expect Ryan to be the most experienced actor, specially not in soap where they have to produce performances without rehearsal. But I do think when he bounces off someone else really well, he's very watchable. I'm a much less severe critic of the actors than you though. On a soap, I just need to be convinced that there's a reality to that character. Kelvin can do that - he is Andy. And I think Ryan's getting there as well - he is Robert now, when I watch him.
Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“I think Kelvin gets a bit overlooked. His performances after Katie's death were really moving I thought. But yes, I think Ryan and Kelvin work really well together.
Like I've said, I don't expect Ryan to be the most experienced actor, specially not in soap where they have to produce performances without rehearsal. But I do think when he bounces off someone else really well, he's very watchable. I'm a much less severe critic of the actors than you though. On a soap, I just need to be convinced that there's a reality to that character. Kelvin can do that - he is Andy. And I think Ryan's getting there as well - he is Robert now, when I watch him.”
“I think Kelvin gets a bit overlooked. His performances after Katie's death were really moving I thought. But yes, I think Ryan and Kelvin work really well together.
Like I've said, I don't expect Ryan to be the most experienced actor, specially not in soap where they have to produce performances without rehearsal. But I do think when he bounces off someone else really well, he's very watchable. I'm a much less severe critic of the actors than you though. On a soap, I just need to be convinced that there's a reality to that character. Kelvin can do that - he is Andy. And I think Ryan's getting there as well - he is Robert now, when I watch him.”
I agree. Ryan seems a better actor when he does a scene with Kelvin. I don't think he's that good when he does a scene with Danny though. I don't know why. Maybe Danny out shines him a bit. He's a very good actor, I think. But Ryan and Kelvin are more on parr with each other, acting wise.
Originally Posted by spunger:
“
Great actors are in demand and are the ones who are able to sit at home and wait for the scripts from the best producers and directors to be posted through their letterbox. Martin Scorcesse won't be contacting Ryan anytime soon.”
“
Great actors are in demand and are the ones who are able to sit at home and wait for the scripts from the best producers and directors to be posted through their letterbox. Martin Scorcesse won't be contacting Ryan anytime soon.”
He's a decent soap actor
Originally Posted by danyell:
“I agree. Ryan seems a better actor when he does a scene with Kelvin. I don't think he's that good when he does a scene with Danny. I don't know why. Maybe Danny over shines him a bit. He's a very good actor, I think. But Ryan and Kelvin are more on parr with each other, acting wise.”
“I agree. Ryan seems a better actor when he does a scene with Kelvin. I don't think he's that good when he does a scene with Danny. I don't know why. Maybe Danny over shines him a bit. He's a very good actor, I think. But Ryan and Kelvin are more on parr with each other, acting wise.”
I'm not a great admirer of Danny Miller actually. I just think Andy and Robert have a more natural connection than Robert and Aaron, which always feels forced to me. But it might be the scripts as well - some of the Robert/Aaron stuff is such melodramatic hogwash, all waving guns around and declarations of lurve, there's not much he can do with that really. Whereas the scenes with Andy are more low-key and seem more heartfelt. To me, anyway.
Originally Posted by danyell:
“I agree. Ryan seems a better actor when he does a scene with Kelvin. I don't think he's that good when he does a scene with Danny. I don't know why. Maybe Danny over shines him a bit. He's a very good actor, I think. But Ryan and Kelvin are more on parr with each other, acting wise.”
“I agree. Ryan seems a better actor when he does a scene with Kelvin. I don't think he's that good when he does a scene with Danny. I don't know why. Maybe Danny over shines him a bit. He's a very good actor, I think. But Ryan and Kelvin are more on parr with each other, acting wise.”
Danny Miller was much better on Friday with his scene with Paddy. He's a more natural actor than Ryan. I wish they would stop using the blinking tearstick all the time.
Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“I'm not a great admirer of Danny Miller actually. I just think Andy and Robert have a more natural connection than Robert and Aaron, which always feels forced to me. But it might be the scripts as well - some of the Robert/Aaron stuff is such melodramatic hogwash, all waving guns around and declarations of lurve, there's not much he can do with that really. Whereas the scenes with Andy are more low-key and seem more heartfelt. To me, anyway.”
“I'm not a great admirer of Danny Miller actually. I just think Andy and Robert have a more natural connection than Robert and Aaron, which always feels forced to me. But it might be the scripts as well - some of the Robert/Aaron stuff is such melodramatic hogwash, all waving guns around and declarations of lurve, there's not much he can do with that really. Whereas the scenes with Andy are more low-key and seem more heartfelt. To me, anyway.”
I fully agree with you on this.
Originally Posted by spunger:
“I fully agree with you on this.”
“I fully agree with you on this.
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Oh ... my ... god ...!!!!!
Still think you're being unfair comparing Ryan to Robert de Niro though.
Talk about setting the bar high!
Originally Posted by danyell:
“Id be so upset if he's killed off. It would seem strange if they did that. I mean they went through the trouble of replacing the actor with somebody else, turn the character gay. Make him an accidental killer. All that just to kill him off when the characters only been back in it less than a year. They shouldn't of bothered to have brought him back at all if their just killing him off. Seems pointless.”
“Id be so upset if he's killed off. It would seem strange if they did that. I mean they went through the trouble of replacing the actor with somebody else, turn the character gay. Make him an accidental killer. All that just to kill him off when the characters only been back in it less than a year. They shouldn't of bothered to have brought him back at all if their just killing him off. Seems pointless.”
Donna.
Originally Posted by Glendarroch:
“I agree in principle, as Im one but in my experience outside of large towns and cities, singletons over say 25 are not that common.”
“I agree in principle, as Im one but in my experience outside of large towns and cities, singletons over say 25 are not that common.”
Why settle down with someone when you can open your legs to a new man each week.
My mum always told me variety was the spice of life and she wasn't lying
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