panasonic tv

Roger_Greenwood · 25-07-2015, 19:34

after a long line of Panasonic TV's,we have just replaced our bedroom tv with a new Panasonic tx-32c300 from our local Panasonic retailer,however on unboxing and setting up it seems far from the Panasonics we have had before,the remote and menu's are totally changed. a look at the packaging comfirmed my worst thought,made in turkey,i hope Panasonic isn't going down the road of badging vestel sets,i thought Panasonic above cheap,

Nigel Goodwin · 25-07-2015, 20:38

It's been reported on here previously that the bottom end Panasonic's are now just badged Vestels

1andrew1 · 28-07-2015, 11:38

This post suggests that some of the components in the TV could still be Panasonic.
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/pana...422?p=25578977

Nigel Goodwin · 28-07-2015, 11:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

This post suggests that some of the components in the TV could still be Panasonic.

Not anything that matters - it's a standard Vestel set, designed any built by Vestel - it 'may' be modified to use a Panasonic remote code, that's a common option that Vestel (and others) offer.

But Vestel 'may' use a few Panasonic components, such as capacitors (although I'm dubious Vestel would buy Panasonic capacitors) - but nothing of any consequence, and nothing different to any other Vestel set.

AlanO · 28-07-2015, 15:23

To be fair the 32" c300 is retailing for £ 200 in most places and is less than many other brands which already outsource - Toshiba, Sharp, Philips, so it shouldn't be a complete surprise that to hit that price point that's what Panasonic have done.

ISTR Sony had the 'BX' series a couple of years back, again to hit a certain price point, which were 'bought in' sets from Beko.

Whether it leads to Panasonic outsourcing more - who knows?

It's interesting they are selling it through their dealers as well as the national chains though - usually the cry is 'it's a (delete as applicable) <Argos/Currys/John Lewis/Tesco> special so not part of their main range - whereas that's not the case here.

Nigel Goodwin · 28-07-2015, 17:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlanO

ISTR Sony had the 'BX' series a couple of years back, again to hit a certain price point, which were 'bought in' sets from Beko.

They bought in some 19 and 22 inch sets from Beko, while they were designing their own new small models. So nothing about 'price', simply about not having sets of their own in small sizes.

Doesn't matter now of course, as they don't do sets less than 32 inch any more

Roger_Greenwood · 28-07-2015, 20:16

yes been sold through approved Panasonic retailers,and is on Panasonic's website and available in alternative screen sizes.

AlanO · 29-07-2015, 11:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

They bought in some 19 and 22 inch sets from Beko, while they were designing their own new small models. So nothing about 'price', simply about not having sets of their own in small sizes.

Doesn't matter now of course, as they don't do sets less than 32 inch any more

The BX also appeared as a 32" set

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-KDL32BX.../dp/B004AHKUJA

I thought all the BXs were Beko?

Either way currently the cheapest Sony on the JL website at 32" is £ 279 (R403) - the cheapest 'proper' Panasonic 32" is the 510 at £ 319 - the main difference would appear to be the Panny is wifi enabled where the Sony isn't - I presume Sony charge about £ 50 for an 'approved' wifi dongle - so either way the going rate for a 'proper' 32" from Sony and Panasonic is about £ 320. In that context a Panasonic at £ 200 clearly has some 'compromises' somewhere along the way - with it being an outsourced product the most likely one.

anthony david · 29-07-2015, 17:45

According to the Sony UK website the 32inch R series is WXGA (1366X768) not full HD unlike the W series which is as well having wifi. In my local JL the price ticket on the 32 inch R series says HD ready.

Nigel Goodwin · 29-07-2015, 19:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlanO

The BX also appeared as a 32" set

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-KDL32BX.../dp/B004AHKUJA

I thought all the BXs were Beko?

And you'd be wrong

The 32 inch BX was a specially cheap Sony manufactured set made for the Supermarkets - and sold to the general trade when the Supermarkets declined to take the sets numbers they ordered (as they always do).

Quote:

Either way currently the cheapest Sony on the JL website at 32" is £ 279 (R403) - the cheapest 'proper' Panasonic 32" is the 510 at £ 319 - the main difference would appear to be the Panny is wifi enabled where the Sony isn't - I presume Sony charge about £ 50 for an 'approved' wifi dongle - so either way the going rate for a 'proper' 32" from Sony and Panasonic is about £ 320.

I'm not aware of any current Sony dongles?, if it's not got WiFi then it would need an Ethernet cable (or adaptor).

Quote:

In that context a Panasonic at £ 200 clearly has some 'compromises' somewhere along the way - with it being an outsourced product the most likely one.

It's not only 'likely', it's been confirmed multiple times as a pure Vestel product.

AlanO · 29-07-2015, 23:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

And you'd be wrong

The 32 inch BX was a specially cheap Sony manufactured set made for the Supermarkets - and sold to the general trade when the Supermarkets declined to take the sets numbers they ordered (as they always do).

Really?

I notice from this that the BX300 was 'Assembled in Poland'

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-Bravi...item4aedcb8823

As far as I'm aware, Sony never had a factory in Poland - and their LCDs all came out of Spain?

Toshiba, Sharp and LG Philips all had Polish factories - both Toshiba and Sharp's have been sold on in the last couple of years.

So I'm a little doubtful it's a 'bona fide' Sony - more likely a bought in from somewhere offering.

AlanO · 30-07-2015, 00:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by anthony david

According to the Sony UK website the 32inch R series is WXGA (1366X768) not full HD unlike the W series which is as well having wifi. In my local JL the price ticket on the 32 inch R series says HD ready.

I didn't say anything about Full HD - both the Sony R and the Panny 510 are HD ready, rather than full HD.

But they are the entry-level sets for the 'genuine' as opposed to 'bought in' sets - at least in Panasonic's case, before Nigel Goodwin pedantically points out that Sony aren't currently buying in any sets at present

anthony david · 30-07-2015, 10:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlanO

I didn't say anything about Full HD - both the Sony R and the Panny 510 are HD ready, rather than full HD.

But they are the entry-level sets for the 'genuine' as opposed to 'bought in' sets - at least in Panasonic's case, before Nigel Goodwin pedantically points out that Sony aren't currently buying in any sets at present

It was just the difference in price that I was thinking of.

Nigel Goodwin · 30-07-2015, 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlanO

Really?

I notice from this that the BX300 was 'Assembled in Poland'

Sony assembled sets in various places, all over Europe - the 32 BX wasn't the only model assembled in Poland.

Quote:

So I'm a little doubtful it's a 'bona fide' Sony - more likely a bought in from somewhere offering.

Presumably you've never seen the service manual, and never seen inside one of the sets?

I've done both (many times), and it's instantly recognisable as a Sony product (just as the 19 and 22 BX's were instantly recognisable as Beko products).

1andrew1 · 02-08-2015, 23:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlanO

Really?

I notice from this that the BX300 was 'Assembled in Poland'

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-Bravi...item4aedcb8823

As far as I'm aware, Sony never had a factory in Poland - and their LCDs all came out of Spain?

Toshiba, Sharp and LG Philips all had Polish factories - both Toshiba and Sharp's have been sold on in the last couple of years.

So I'm a little doubtful it's a 'bona fide' Sony - more likely a bought in from somewhere offering.

Sony's European TV factories once Bridgend stopped TV production were in Slovakia and Barcelona, Spain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bravia_(brand)
Sony's Slovakian factory was sold to Foxconn so I suspect it is they who assembled the Polish made Sony TVs. My parents have a 19-inch Sony assembled in Hungary, presumably by Foxconn again. I think Foxconn assembled Sony TVs well before acquiring Sony's Slovakian operation.

25-07-2015, 19:34	#1
Roger_Greenwood Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 55	panasonic tv after a long line of Panasonic TV's,we have just replaced our bedroom tv with a new Panasonic tx-32c300 from our local Panasonic retailer,however on unboxing and setting up it seems far from the Panasonics we have had before,the remote and menu's are totally changed. a look at the packaging comfirmed my worst thought,made in turkey,i hope Panasonic isn't going down the road of badging vestel sets,i thought Panasonic above cheap,

25-07-2015, 20:38	#2
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	It's been reported on here previously that the bottom end Panasonic's are now just badged Vestels

28-07-2015, 11:38	#3
1andrew1 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,981	This post suggests that some of the components in the TV could still be Panasonic. http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/pana...422?p=25578977

28-07-2015, 11:44	#4
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by 1andrew1 This post suggests that some of the components in the TV could still be Panasonic. Not anything that matters - it's a standard Vestel set, designed any built by Vestel - it 'may' be modified to use a Panasonic remote code, that's a common option that Vestel (and others) offer. But Vestel 'may' use a few Panasonic components, such as capacitors (although I'm dubious Vestel would buy Panasonic capacitors) - but nothing of any consequence, and nothing different to any other Vestel set.

28-07-2015, 15:23	#5
AlanO Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,902	To be fair the 32" c300 is retailing for £ 200 in most places and is less than many other brands which already outsource - Toshiba, Sharp, Philips, so it shouldn't be a complete surprise that to hit that price point that's what Panasonic have done. ISTR Sony had the 'BX' series a couple of years back, again to hit a certain price point, which were 'bought in' sets from Beko. Whether it leads to Panasonic outsourcing more - who knows? It's interesting they are selling it through their dealers as well as the national chains though - usually the cry is 'it's a (delete as applicable) <Argos/Currys/John Lewis/Tesco> special so not part of their main range - whereas that's not the case here.

28-07-2015, 17:22	#6
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by AlanO ISTR Sony had the 'BX' series a couple of years back, again to hit a certain price point, which were 'bought in' sets from Beko. They bought in some 19 and 22 inch sets from Beko, while they were designing their own new small models. So nothing about 'price', simply about not having sets of their own in small sizes. Doesn't matter now of course, as they don't do sets less than 32 inch any more

28-07-2015, 20:16	#7
Roger_Greenwood Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 55	yes been sold through approved Panasonic retailers,and is on Panasonic's website and available in alternative screen sizes.

29-07-2015, 11:42	#8
AlanO Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,902	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin They bought in some 19 and 22 inch sets from Beko, while they were designing their own new small models. So nothing about 'price', simply about not having sets of their own in small sizes. Doesn't matter now of course, as they don't do sets less than 32 inch any more The BX also appeared as a 32" set http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-KDL32BX.../dp/B004AHKUJA I thought all the BXs were Beko? Either way currently the cheapest Sony on the JL website at 32" is £ 279 (R403) - the cheapest 'proper' Panasonic 32" is the 510 at £ 319 - the main difference would appear to be the Panny is wifi enabled where the Sony isn't - I presume Sony charge about £ 50 for an 'approved' wifi dongle - so either way the going rate for a 'proper' 32" from Sony and Panasonic is about £ 320. In that context a Panasonic at £ 200 clearly has some 'compromises' somewhere along the way - with it being an outsourced product the most likely one.

29-07-2015, 17:45	#9
anthony david Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,469	According to the Sony UK website the 32inch R series is WXGA (1366X768) not full HD unlike the W series which is as well having wifi. In my local JL the price ticket on the 32 inch R series says HD ready.

29-07-2015, 19:03	#10
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by AlanO The BX also appeared as a 32" set http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-KDL32BX.../dp/B004AHKUJA I thought all the BXs were Beko? And you'd be wrong The 32 inch BX was a specially cheap Sony manufactured set made for the Supermarkets - and sold to the general trade when the Supermarkets declined to take the sets numbers they ordered (as they always do). Quote: Either way currently the cheapest Sony on the JL website at 32" is £ 279 (R403) - the cheapest 'proper' Panasonic 32" is the 510 at £ 319 - the main difference would appear to be the Panny is wifi enabled where the Sony isn't - I presume Sony charge about £ 50 for an 'approved' wifi dongle - so either way the going rate for a 'proper' 32" from Sony and Panasonic is about £ 320. I'm not aware of any current Sony dongles?, if it's not got WiFi then it would need an Ethernet cable (or adaptor). Quote: In that context a Panasonic at £ 200 clearly has some 'compromises' somewhere along the way - with it being an outsourced product the most likely one. It's not only 'likely', it's been confirmed multiple times as a pure Vestel product.

29-07-2015, 23:59	#11
AlanO Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,902	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin And you'd be wrong The 32 inch BX was a specially cheap Sony manufactured set made for the Supermarkets - and sold to the general trade when the Supermarkets declined to take the sets numbers they ordered (as they always do). Really? I notice from this that the BX300 was 'Assembled in Poland' http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-Bravi...item4aedcb8823 As far as I'm aware, Sony never had a factory in Poland - and their LCDs all came out of Spain? Toshiba, Sharp and LG Philips all had Polish factories - both Toshiba and Sharp's have been sold on in the last couple of years. So I'm a little doubtful it's a 'bona fide' Sony - more likely a bought in from somewhere offering.

30-07-2015, 00:06	#12
AlanO Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,902	Quote: Originally Posted by anthony david According to the Sony UK website the 32inch R series is WXGA (1366X768) not full HD unlike the W series which is as well having wifi. In my local JL the price ticket on the 32 inch R series says HD ready. I didn't say anything about Full HD - both the Sony R and the Panny 510 are HD ready, rather than full HD. But they are the entry-level sets for the 'genuine' as opposed to 'bought in' sets - at least in Panasonic's case, before Nigel Goodwin pedantically points out that Sony aren't currently buying in any sets at present

30-07-2015, 10:30	#13
anthony david Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,469	Quote: Originally Posted by AlanO I didn't say anything about Full HD - both the Sony R and the Panny 510 are HD ready, rather than full HD. But they are the entry-level sets for the 'genuine' as opposed to 'bought in' sets - at least in Panasonic's case, before Nigel Goodwin pedantically points out that Sony aren't currently buying in any sets at present It was just the difference in price that I was thinking of.

30-07-2015, 17:28	#14
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by AlanO Really? I notice from this that the BX300 was 'Assembled in Poland' Sony assembled sets in various places, all over Europe - the 32 BX wasn't the only model assembled in Poland. Quote: So I'm a little doubtful it's a 'bona fide' Sony - more likely a bought in from somewhere offering. Presumably you've never seen the service manual, and never seen inside one of the sets? I've done both (many times), and it's instantly recognisable as a Sony product (just as the 19 and 22 BX's were instantly recognisable as Beko products).

02-08-2015, 23:12	#15
1andrew1 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,981	Quote: Originally Posted by AlanO Really? I notice from this that the BX300 was 'Assembled in Poland' http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-Bravi...item4aedcb8823 As far as I'm aware, Sony never had a factory in Poland - and their LCDs all came out of Spain? Toshiba, Sharp and LG Philips all had Polish factories - both Toshiba and Sharp's have been sold on in the last couple of years. So I'm a little doubtful it's a 'bona fide' Sony - more likely a bought in from somewhere offering. Sony's European TV factories once Bridgend stopped TV production were in Slovakia and Barcelona, Spain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bravia_(brand) Sony's Slovakian factory was sold to Foxconn so I suspect it is they who assembled the Polish made Sony TVs. My parents have a 19-inch Sony assembled in Hungary, presumably by Foxconn again. I think Foxconn assembled Sony TVs well before acquiring Sony's Slovakian operation.

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