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Old 27-07-2015, 15:31
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It's a myth that Phil always comes out on top. But even if he lands on his feet most of the time it's only obvious that the reason for that is because Phil is a long term character whereas his enemies are only ever intended as short term characters.

Here's a few examples of Phil being bested

- Lisa shot him and got away with it
- Lisa took off with his daughter 3 times
- Den Watts got him arrested for armed robbery and put him on the run
- Ben had him locked up for Stella's "murder"
- Grant beat him almost to death
- Jack Branning almost killed him
- Carl White almost killed him

And that's just off the top of my head.
Exactly. The reason Phil triumphs over his enemies is because the producers clearly value Phil as a greater asset to the show than the likes of Derek, Carl, and Vincent. It really is as simple as that. Let's face it, none of Phil's recent enemies could carry the show in the way that the Mitchells have.

When or if Steve McFadden ever decides to leave the show, then we will finally see King Phil dethroned. But I doubt that's going to happen any time soon.
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Old 27-07-2015, 15:35
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Exactly. The reason Phil triumphs over his enemies is because the producers clearly value Phil as a greater asset to the show than the likes of Derek, Carl, and Vincent. It really is as simple as that. Let's face it, none of Phil's recent enemies could carry the show in the way that the Mitchells have.

When or if Steve McFadden ever decides to leave the show, then we will finally see King Phil dethroned. But I doubt that's going to happen any time soon.
True. The best example of that being the last time Steve McFadden left in 2003 they had Dirty Den completely knock him off his perch and drive him out of his manor. It's only because Steve is willing to stick around that Phil triumphs most of the time.
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Old 27-07-2015, 16:51
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It's a myth that Phil always comes out on top. But even if he lands on his feet most of the time it's only obvious that the reason for that is because Phil is a long term character whereas his enemies are only ever intended as short term characters.

Here's a few examples of Phil being bested

- Lisa shot him and got away with it
- Lisa took off with his daughter 3 times
- Den Watts got him arrested for armed robbery and put him on the run
- Ben had him locked up for Stella's "murder"
- Grant beat him almost to death
- Jack Branning almost killed him
- Carl White almost killed him

And that's just off the top of my head.
Exactly. The reason Phil triumphs over his enemies is because the producers clearly value Phil as a greater asset to the show than the likes of Derek, Carl, and Vincent. It really is as simple as that. Let's face it, none of Phil's recent enemies could carry the show in the way that the Mitchells have.

When or if Steve McFadden ever decides to leave the show, then we will finally see King Phil dethroned. But I doubt that's going to happen any time soon.
True. The best example of that being the last time Steve McFadden left in 2003 they had Dirty Den completely knock him off his perch and drive him out of his manor. It's only because Steve is willing to stick around that Phil triumphs most of the time.
Great posts!
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Old 27-07-2015, 20:07
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It's a myth that Phil always comes out on top. But even if he lands on his feet most of the time it's only obvious that the reason for that is because Phil is a long term character whereas his enemies are only ever intended as short term characters.

Here's a few examples of Phil being bested

- Lisa shot him and got away with it
- Lisa took off with his daughter 3 times
- Den Watts got him arrested for armed robbery and put him on the run
- Ben had him locked up for Stella's "murder"
- Grant beat him almost to death
- Jack Branning almost killed him
- Carl White almost killed him

And that's just off the top of my head.
Grant does not count - he wanted him to do it out of guilt.

Lisa shooting him after years of savage emotional abuse is hardly a 'feud'.

Ben having him locked up is not a feud either.

Jack Branning and Carl White were totally owned within seconds of their brief moments of triumph.

Even the great Den Watts decided to give him money when he escaped prison and the Philth took on Den and Dennis - with a broken arm. One of the worst plotlines that I have ever seen.

Den could have simply called the cops and sent him down again when he smashed Mitchell's head in with the chair but he didn't.

Why?

So sorry folks Philth is TPTB's God.
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Old 27-07-2015, 20:34
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Spot on, Keyser!

As always, when it comes to the tiresome, same old, same old Mitchell.
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Old 27-07-2015, 20:37
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Please I am not "slandering" Steve McFadden at all, merely trying to draw a conclusion from all the 'Phil always wins' BS. There has to be something behind it.

Exactly. The reason Phil triumphs over his enemies is because the producers clearly value Phil as a greater asset to the show than the likes of Derek, Carl, and Vincent. It really is as simple as that. Let's face it, none of Phil's recent enemies could carry the show in the way that the Mitchells have.

When or if Steve McFadden ever decides to leave the show, then we will finally see King Phil dethroned. But I doubt that's going to happen any time soon.
I question the need for such stories in the first place.

I don't think any character should "carry the show" but Phil can be central without these repetitive and unrealistic stories. There was more to him up to the early 00s and last Tuesday's episode showed there could be again. Let's remember that the invincible Phil stuff only started after Grant left the show. If they could write him as a three-dimensional character before, why do they struggle with this now?

It's unrealistic and making a mockery of both the character and show so why do it? Why not focus on the side of Phil that works and only wheel out these feuds occasionally? It was fine when he had a genuine reason to go against someone and the first few times they pitted him against another man it was entertaining. But as the character has advanced in age and we've seen several similar storylines it's become both repetitive and absurd.
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Old 27-07-2015, 20:42
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Spot on, Keyser!

As always, when it comes to the tiresome, same old, same old Mitchell.
Thanks.

All of this Don Corleone 'I'm Philth Mitchell' crap got so old before Steve Owen was killed.

It would be believable if he was the head of a major Firm and not just the owner of a clapped out old garage with poor Jay (totally harmless) and nasty little Lady Gaga as his terrifying 'henchmen'.
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Old 27-07-2015, 20:44
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Grant does not count - he wanted him to do it out of guilt.

Lisa shooting him after years of savage emotional abuse is hardly a 'feud'.

Ben having him locked up is not a feud either.

Jack Branning and Carl White were totally owned within seconds of their brief moments of triumph.

Even the great Den Watts decided to give him money when he escaped prison and the Philth took on Den and Dennis - with a broken arm. One of the worst plotlines that I have ever seen.

Den could have simply called the cops and sent him down again when he smashed Mitchell's head in with the chair but he didn't.

Why?

So sorry folks Philth is TPTB's God.
I didn't mind the Den side as it was all part of his mind games. Shame he and Angie didn't live to take on the rest of the mob.
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Old 27-07-2015, 20:44
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Steve McFadden deserves to be at the forefront of the show and he is a much better actor than Richard Blackwood. Phil won't be strong forever but he's still a hardman. Has anybody remembered Johnny Allen? I feared him.. He's much tougher than pathetic Vincent.
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Old 27-07-2015, 20:51
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I didn't mind the Den side as it was all part of his mind games. Shame he and Angie didn't live to take on the rest of the mob.
True.

But I did want Dennis to flatten Mitchell - he was an enforcer for a large Firm whereas the Philth is nothing more than a nasty, cowardly, abusive bully.

At least Dennis was trying to be a good man - until Mitchell wound him up and sent him to do his dirty work to hurt Johnny.
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Old 27-07-2015, 22:49
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True.

But I did want Dennis to flatten Mitchell - he was an enforcer for a large Firm whereas the Philth is nothing more than a nasty, cowardly, abusive bully.

At least Dennis was trying to be a good man - until Mitchell wound him up and sent him to do his dirty work to hurt Johnny.
I agree it was stupid that phil punched dennis twice but then again dennis did offer phil a one to one fight and phil got scared. The funny thing was dennis job before was beating people up for jack dalton whereas, phil was/is a small time thug thats never really made the step up to big time. Phil was tough in the 1990s and early 2000s even now hes finished he couldnt even beat up a 70 year old johnny allen 10 years ago and they make him beat up jack branning. When vincent finally knocked phil out i thought it was the end but with these eastenders writers you shouldnt really have that confidence.
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Old 27-07-2015, 22:55
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Tbh from what ive seen and read from the start phil wasnt really that tough more of a dodgy wheeler dealer type who could fight if he had to. Grant was the hardman out of the brothers. What made it laughable was that johnny allen killed someone like dennis without a problem then when both mitchell brothers (who were both pushing 50) came after him he crapped it and only had danny moon protecting him. The worst thing was when dennis and johnny teamed up against the mitchell dennis said to johnny ring a few people up and well beat them both up. I never understood that because phil came back from on the run and probably didnt have any contacts whereas dennis was one of jack daltons best henchmen and he never had any back up or contacts.
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Old 27-07-2015, 23:40
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Calm down. The article clearly states that Phil catches him "off-guard." When Phil tried to smack him one before, Vincent had him on his arse.

There's nothing to suggest that Phil has "owned" Vincent at all, though there is plenty to suggest that Phil's "revenge" attack was a cowardly one because he knows Vincent will have him on a level playing field.

And there's even more to suggest that it's not "over".

Calm down, close your eyes, count to 10, and remember that EastEnders is fictional.
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Old 28-07-2015, 18:28
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I wonder when the Philth hits Vincent if the sound effects blokes will get to work for him as usual?

When any other character punches another it seems fairly realistic - but when Mitchell punches anyone it sounds like a car door slamming or a baseball bat smashing into a dead pig!
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Old 28-07-2015, 18:32
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I wonder when the Philth hits Vincent if the sound effects blokes will get to work for him as usual?

When any other character punches another it seems fairly realistic - but when Mitchell punches anyone it sounds like a car door slamming or a baseball bat smashing into a dead pig!
I always enjoy watching Phil lose it
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Old 28-07-2015, 22:52
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I always enjoy watching Phil lose it
I really wish that Vincent had really beaten the crap out of the Philth instead of letting him off to spout 'Mitchell' tosh at him after the poison potato was punched to the floor.
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Old 29-07-2015, 16:30
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Well reading the interview Richard gave. He says Vincent isn't scared of Phil and Phil isn't scared of him and after the attack he was planning revenge but I think his mother has a better idea. She's definitely no pushover either. The Phil/Vincent feud is just the beginning. I actually like how Richard is playing Vincent but we need to see more of his bad side.
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Old 29-07-2015, 16:32
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Well reading the interview Richard gave. He says Vincent isn't scared of Phil and Phil isn't scared of him and after the attack he was planning revenge but I think his mother has a better idea. She's definitely no pushover either. The Phil/Vincent feud is just the beginning. I actually like how Richard is playing Vincent but we need to see more of his bad side.
Definitely we need bad Vincent to come out.
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Old 29-07-2015, 16:52
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Definitely we need bad Vincent to come out.
I think we'll see the bad side of Vincent and his mother because apparently she has a dark side which might be where he gets his from.
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