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Jane. Due to the car being missing from outside the Beale house or something.
Then she met her in the park and Jane confessed everything. She had a circumstantial case for the killer to be Jane but no proof. Until Emma spoke to Jane in the park, she could only have guessed who actually killed Lucy. After reading this, I'm wondering if Bobby actually dealt the killer blow - as I recall he hit Lucy and she was on the floor so he called Jane. Jane assumed Bobby killed Lucy because she was dead and Bobby said he hit her. No-one has ever said how hard or where. Bobby was told that Lucy was fine after he hit her, she left the house and someone else killed her and he supposedly believes this. It's possible that Lucy was already dying from one -or more - of the other blows to the head she experienced. By my count there was (in no particular order) : - the fall in the car lot - the fight with Abi - the fight with Denise - Jake hit her accidently - I'm sure there was another one, but I can't remember details. Remember Emma was walking about the Square for quite a while after the crash, seemingly fine, before she died. Could a similar thing have happened to Lucy? |
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Hence why I said Emma "thought" it was Jane.
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What did Emma mean when she said "I know" to Max when he was about to take her to the hospital before she died?? Was it ever clarified?
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I thought that Emma's file "proved" Lucy died in the house - as per Lauren's card - and that her body was moved to the Common in Jane's car. I think Max is supposed to know that the car wasn't outside the Beales' all night, perhaps he was the one who mentioned it to Emma in passing.
She had a circumstantial case for the killer to be Jane but no proof. Until Emma spoke to Jane in the park, she could only have guessed who actually killed Lucy. After reading this, I'm wondering if Bobby actually dealt the killer blow - as I recall he hit Lucy and she was on the floor so he called Jane. Jane assumed Bobby killed Lucy because she was dead and Bobby said he hit her. No-one has ever said how hard or where. Bobby was told that Lucy was fine after he hit her, she left the house and someone else killed her and he supposedly believes this. It's possible that Lucy was already dying from one -or more - of the other blows to the head she experienced. By my count there was (in no particular order) : - the fall in the car lot - the fight with Abi - the fight with Denise - Jake hit her accidently - I'm sure there was another one, but I can't remember details. Remember Emma was walking about the Square for quite a while after the crash, seemingly fine, before she died. Could a similar thing have happened to Lucy? |
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What did Emma mean when she said "I know" to Max when he was about to take her to the hospital before she died?? Was it ever clarified?
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I think the "you know" from Emma to Max was about her knowing that Max messed about with some evidence on a file or a memory stick about Lauren.
I kinda hope it does turn out that Bobby didn't actually hit Lucy, but then like someone has said before, Bobby was standing in the room with Lucy since she collapsed, waiting for Jane to arrive, and Jane seemed to find Lucy already dead when she got to her. The only possibility would be is if Jane sent Bobby upstairs while she went about preparing to move Lucy (did she just dump Lucy in her car boot without anyone seeing her with two parties going on?) and within that time, Lucy really had an extremely weak pulse that Jane couldn't detect it, and someone maybe came in, saw her defenseless on the floor and done her in? Doubt it though, Jane would be on high alert, listening out for any noises from anyone upstairs. One question though, in the flashback episode, as Lucy is writing her note that Bobby later steals, she turns around and says "it's you?!" Why would she say that if her little brother just came downstairs from bed rather than some intruder coming menacingly in the door? |
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One question though, in the flashback episode, as Lucy is writing her note that Bobby later steals, she turns around and says "it's you?!" Why would she say that if her little brother just came downstairs from bed rather than some intruder coming menacingly in the door?
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I thought that Emma's file "proved" Lucy died in the house - as per Lauren's card - and that her body was moved to the Common in Jane's car. I think Max is supposed to know that the car wasn't outside the Beales' all night, perhaps he was the one who mentioned it to Emma in passing.
She had a circumstantial case for the killer to be Jane but no proof. Until Emma spoke to Jane in the park, she could only have guessed who actually killed Lucy. After reading this, I'm wondering if Bobby actually dealt the killer blow - as I recall he hit Lucy and she was on the floor so he called Jane. Jane assumed Bobby killed Lucy because she was dead and Bobby said he hit her. No-one has ever said how hard or where. Bobby was told that Lucy was fine after he hit her, she left the house and someone else killed her and he supposedly believes this. It's possible that Lucy was already dying from one -or more - of the other blows to the head she experienced. By my count there was (in no particular order) : - the fall in the car lot - the fight with Abi - the fight with Denise - Jake hit her accidently - I'm sure there was another one, but I can't remember details. Remember Emma was walking about the Square for quite a while after the crash, seemingly fine, before she died. Could a similar thing have happened to Lucy? |
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Tracy, Whitney, Winston and Dr Legg come in in a conga from Ronnie's party and join in?
![]() They were expecting Lucy to jump up and shout "Sausage Surpise!" ![]()
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I thought that Emma's file "proved" Lucy died in the house - as per Lauren's card - and that her body was moved to the Common in Jane's car. I think Max is supposed to know that the car wasn't outside the Beales' all night, perhaps he was the one who mentioned it to Emma in passing.
She had a circumstantial case for the killer to be Jane but no proof. Until Emma spoke to Jane in the park, she could only have guessed who actually killed Lucy. After reading this, I'm wondering if Bobby actually dealt the killer blow - as I recall he hit Lucy and she was on the floor so he called Jane. Jane assumed Bobby killed Lucy because she was dead and Bobby said he hit her. No-one has ever said how hard or where. Bobby was told that Lucy was fine after he hit her, she left the house and someone else killed her and he supposedly believes this. It's possible that Lucy was already dying from one -or more - of the other blows to the head she experienced. By my count there was (in no particular order) : - the fall in the car lot - the fight with Abi - the fight with Denise - Jake hit her accidently - I'm sure there was another one, but I can't remember details. Remember Emma was walking about the Square for quite a while after the crash, seemingly fine, before she died. Could a similar thing have happened to Lucy? |
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![]() They were expecting Lucy to jump up and shout "Sausage Surpise!" ![]() ![]()
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It's nice to see that Stacey & Carol are on Max's side though.
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It's nice to see that Stacey & Carol are on Max's side though.
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A lot of things from the Good Friday episode have to potential to pop up.
We've just had the blood on Max's shoes. However, eventually he is going to have to come out of prison and therefore either he has to cleared (probably through Abby) or someone else has to be in the frame. Some stuff that could show up is that Masood knows Lucy returned home, he told Jane he say her crying in the street (after Denise had fought her) which means he could tell the police she returned to the square. Bobby could tell the police that Denise had held her down and hit her. (This, with the last point, could see Denise arrested.) Jake could also be rearrested seeing as he hit Lucy. OR perhaps just questioned in court for Max's trial. Finally, if we look at live week then it's possible that Max could testify against Abby say that she ''Battered'' Lucy. (With Masood's evidence this could incriminate Abby). Or Lauren can return reveal what she knows and have Max freed. Again with both her and Masood revealing what they know Abby and Denise could be arrested. Then again they could just blame Nick Cotton ![]() ![]() ![]()
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There is no way Lauren would allow her dad to be sent down for the murder, she knows it was Bobby. I think she will return to Walford after a fall out with Peter over this, and on her return tell Ian / Jane to tell the police the truth or she will. I think Jane will then go to the police station and hand herself in, before ian gets a chance to talk her out of it, she is the one who caused all this so she will take the blame for it i think, i dont think bobby will find out it was him for a few years yet........
Max is going on a year break so i hope that this does not get dragged out for too much longer and he gets out in the next couple of months (maybe a Xmas story, which i feel is STILL dragging it out too long) he will then go away and stay with his brother for a few months as everyone thought it was him he will not want to hang around walford. |
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So Bobby hits Lucy with the music box, rings Jane, watches Abi come in and finish her off and then forgets to mention it to Jane when she comes in to find the body?
![]() "Oh by the way Abi just came in and booted Lucy in the head but I think she's ok" I repeat we were never shown what happened in the room, only what the Beales thought had taken place, use some imagination Bobby could have ran up the stairs. |
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Can anybody recall if there is actually a scene where we know for sure that lauren was told that Bobby was the killer, I know there was a scene where Peter and her were talking but no speech, just wondered if it was confirmed that he told her, if not then the story can have another twist,
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Can anybody recall if there is actually a scene where we know for sure that lauren was told that Bobby was the killer, I know there was a scene where Peter and her were talking but no speech, just wondered if it was confirmed that he told her, if not then the story can have another twist,
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A lot of things from the Good Friday episode have to potential to pop up.
Some stuff that could show up is that Masood knows Lucy returned home, he told Jane he say her crying in the street (after Denise had fought her) which means he could tell the police she returned to the square. Then again they could just blame Nick Cotton ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I see a lot of people are still wanting another twist and for it to be someone else that killed Lucy rather than bobby, but dtc has confirmed bobby is the killer and that the storyline after the reveal was going to explore bobby more. In this past week alone he's threatened Phil Mitchell and then shouted 'die, die, die' at his computer game rather menacingly. I don't know how anyone can think that he didn't mean to hurt Lucy or doesn't know what he's done! All the lurking round corners and listening in to conversations, taking lucy's phone and wallet to the police station - this child is clever and manipulative! After all, when he hit Lucy who did he call? If he really didn't mean to hurt her he'd have gone straight upstairs to get his dad or Denise or even Cindy. But instead he called the one person who he knew would do anything for him..... Sorry, went on for longer than I meant to! |
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I agree with the above that there's absolutely no way (IMO) Bobby didn't kill Lucy. Think of all the media attention/betting etc etc surrounding the reveal during live week, there'd be a huge huge furore if EE then revealed that it actually wasn't Bobby after all. They wouldn't do it for that reason alone- and that's without even going into how changing the killer would ruin the narrative of the story.
I also don't think they'd go down the route of it being one of Lucy's other blows to the head- that would be pretty confusing and surely,even with forensics or whatever, there'd be no way to prove conclusively that one particular earlier blow killed her as opposed to Bobby's later one? |
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What is with this sarcasm, not very nice and not required, this is disappointing,
I repeat we were never shown what happened in the room, only what the Beales thought had taken place, use some imagination Bobby could have ran up the stairs. We're discussing soaps. If you can't handle sarcasm and humour that's your own look out. However no offence was intended so here you go.... So Bobby is so worried that he'd hit his sister and she'd fallen unconscious slumped to the floor he rang his mum who marched straight over..... in the meantime Bobby goes upstairs why? Who enters the house without being seen or heard by Jane or anyone? Who else knows Lucy is even home? There is a matter of seconds it takes Jane to walk over to the Beale house, requiring a hell of a lot of plot progression to occur in a short space of time for your theory to hold water. There is my non sarcastic and entirely serious response. I hope you find it less disappointing.
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We know who the killer is.
The story is not a whodunnit anymore. |
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I agree with the above that there's absolutely no way (IMO) Bobby didn't kill Lucy. Think of all the media attention/betting etc etc surrounding the reveal during live week, there'd be a huge huge furore if EE then revealed that it actually wasn't Bobby after all. They wouldn't do it for that reason alone- and that's without even going into how changing the killer would ruin the narrative of the story.
I also don't think they'd go down the route of it being one of Lucy's other blows to the head- that would be pretty confusing and surely,even with forensics or whatever, there'd be no way to prove conclusively that one particular earlier blow killed her as opposed to Bobby's later one? |
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Jane. Due to the car being missing from outside the Beale house or something.
Then she met her in the park and Jane confessed everything. I still don't see how Lucy managed to die and be removed from the house without Ian and Denise hearing anything |
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Can anybody recall if there is actually a scene where we know for sure that lauren was told that Bobby was the killer, I know there was a scene where Peter and her were talking but no speech, just wondered if it was confirmed that he told her, if not then the story can have another twist,
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No it was implied. I only recall the same scene you did.
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