So he was a biker with previous criminal activity on his record and driving without a licence none of that justifies him being murdered in cold blood the way the 'cop' shot him. Not even in America.
University police officer charged with murder for shooting of Samuel DuBose
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Originally Posted by My usernames:
“What is racist about stating the obvious? Can youR blinkered views allow you to answer this simple question?
Wait a minute, an unarmed man is shot and murdered by a failed cop and all you are concerned about is that black people are angry because it may be racially motivated, is that why you are bitching and moaning? You must have interesting priorities in your special little world.”
“What is racist about stating the obvious? Can youR blinkered views allow you to answer this simple question?
Wait a minute, an unarmed man is shot and murdered by a failed cop and all you are concerned about is that black people are angry because it may be racially motivated, is that why you are bitching and moaning? You must have interesting priorities in your special little world.”
You seem to be wanting to turn it into a matter of race.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...per-spray.html
Motivated by race or not?
Originally Posted by tiggosaurus:
“An unarmed black man is shot in the head over a minor traffic infraction, you pop up to ask if the victim was wearing gang colours and then accuse others of race baiting. Classic!
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“An unarmed black man is shot in the head over a minor traffic infraction, you pop up to ask if the victim was wearing gang colours and then accuse others of race baiting. Classic!
”
Indeed.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Again absolute race baiting nonsense. Why did he try to drive off?”
“Again absolute race baiting nonsense. Why did he try to drive off?”
Seems obvious that he was spooked by the officer opening his door without warning. This sparked a familiar reaction: fight or flight. He chose flight.
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“Indeed.”
“Indeed.”
Even though it turned out he was the founding member of a motorcycle gang and had a rap sheet as long as your arm.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Well this was in the press:”
“Well this was in the press:”
And? I don't think there's any way that this can be proved to be a racially motivated killing because the shooter would never admit to it even if it were true (unless he happens to have been carrying a KKK membership card in his police wallet)!
Unfortunately however this is just the latest in quite a long line of unarmed black citizens dying at the hands of law enforcement officials, so the question of race is naturally going to come into it, and motivation will be a factor if/when a murder trial takes place.
I'm glad that the wheels of justice seem to be turning pretty quickly in this case though (for once) - so quickly that the concerted victim-blaming we usually see in these types of situations has barely begun!
Originally Posted by Takae:
“Seems obvious that he was spooked by the officer opening his door without warning. This sparked a familiar reaction: fight or flight. He chose flight.”
“Seems obvious that he was spooked by the officer opening his door without warning. This sparked a familiar reaction: fight or flight. He chose flight.”
The officer treated him fine up until then, he chose to put his foot down and drive off for reasons unknown. The cop looked like he panicked and didn't want to be dragged under the car. It all happens in a split second.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“You seem to be wanting to turn it into a matter of race.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...per-spray.html
Motivated by race or not?”
“You seem to be wanting to turn it into a matter of race.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...per-spray.html
Motivated by race or not?”
How Convenient that you had that Daily Mail story at hand. In the absence of reports of a nationwide trend of black cops deliberately murdering unarmed white people and falsifying evidence to cover up their homicide, I'll have to say I can't tell, There might be a racist component to the cops actions , there might not.
Anyway the two incidents are very different, the black cop was an actual cop not a jumped up security guard. The person he shot was advancing on him with what he thought was a weapon (according to your source), not sitting in his car cooperating with the cop.
Your comparison is forced and does not stand up to scrutiny.
Originally Posted by tiggosaurus:
“And? I don't think there's any way that this can be proved to be a racially motivated killing because the shooter would never admit to it even if it were true (unless he happens to have been carrying a KKK membership card in his police wallet)!
Unfortunately however this is just the latest in quite a long line of unarmed black citizens dying at the hands of law enforcement officials, so the question of race is naturally going to come into it, and motivation will be a factor if/when a murder trial takes place.
I'm glad that the wheels of justice seem to be turning pretty quickly in this case though (for once) - so quickly that the concerted victim-blaming we usually see in these types of situations has barely begun!”
“And? I don't think there's any way that this can be proved to be a racially motivated killing because the shooter would never admit to it even if it were true (unless he happens to have been carrying a KKK membership card in his police wallet)!
Unfortunately however this is just the latest in quite a long line of unarmed black citizens dying at the hands of law enforcement officials, so the question of race is naturally going to come into it, and motivation will be a factor if/when a murder trial takes place.
I'm glad that the wheels of justice seem to be turning pretty quickly in this case though (for once) - so quickly that the concerted victim-blaming we usually see in these types of situations has barely begun!
”
If the victim had a rap sheet a mile long they are always a saint in death. They were caught doing drugs? No, they are turning their life around. They got done for multiple driving offences? No, they were misunderstandings or some other excuse. They drove off with an officer in their window? No, they were scared.
If it was a black cop shooting a white person then race wouldn't even cross your mind. A white cop shoots someone black and you automatically think KKK. Don't you realise that's a racist attitude against white cops?
Originally Posted by Takae:
“Seems obvious that he was spooked by the officer opening his door without warning. This sparked a reaction: fight or flight. He chose flight.”
“Seems obvious that he was spooked by the officer opening his door without warning. This sparked a reaction: fight or flight. He chose flight.”
Understandably spooked. He was shot in the head before he could drive off anywhere. He'd started the engine, he hadn't moved. Not that it's acceptable to kill anyone for driving off, in any civilised world.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Even though it turned out he was the founding member of a motorcycle gang and had a rap sheet as long as your arm.”
“Even though it turned out he was the founding member of a motorcycle gang and had a rap sheet as long as your arm.”
"It turned out"....Your point being? He deserved to be shot in the head?
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“"It turned out"....Your point being? He deserved to be shot in the head?”
“"It turned out"....Your point being? He deserved to be shot in the head?”
Course he did... He obviously had 'gang colors' and was a potential motorcycle gang leader and drug dealer..
Never mind the car moved after he had been shot and anyway all the cop had to do was step back.
Originally Posted by My usernames:
“How Convenient that you had that Daily Mail story at hand. In the absence of reports of a nationwide trend of black cops deliberately murdering unarmed white people and falsifying evidence to cover up their homicide, I'll have to say I can't tell, There might be a racist component to the cops actions , there might not.
Anyway the two incidents are very different, the black cop was an actual cop not a jumped up security guard. The person he shot was advancing on him with what he thought was a weapon (according to your source), not sitting in his car cooperating with the cop.
Your comparison is forced and does not stand up to scrutiny.”
“How Convenient that you had that Daily Mail story at hand. In the absence of reports of a nationwide trend of black cops deliberately murdering unarmed white people and falsifying evidence to cover up their homicide, I'll have to say I can't tell, There might be a racist component to the cops actions , there might not.
Anyway the two incidents are very different, the black cop was an actual cop not a jumped up security guard. The person he shot was advancing on him with what he thought was a weapon (according to your source), not sitting in his car cooperating with the cop.
Your comparison is forced and does not stand up to scrutiny.”
Quote:
“The video shows the five-foot-seven, 140-pound student never got closer to the officer than four feet and didn't try to grab his weapon, Beasley contended. The lawyer said the video also shows the officer didn't wait for backup to arrive before coming out of the station.
‘I have seen nothing to indicate to me that you ought to go out there with a raised gun against a guy who's buck naked, unarmed and in distress,’ he said.”
“The video shows the five-foot-seven, 140-pound student never got closer to the officer than four feet and didn't try to grab his weapon, Beasley contended. The lawyer said the video also shows the officer didn't wait for backup to arrive before coming out of the station.
‘I have seen nothing to indicate to me that you ought to go out there with a raised gun against a guy who's buck naked, unarmed and in distress,’ he said.”
A properly trained black officer still managed to shoot dead a naked, unarmed white man. Imagine it was roles reversed. You would be screeching from the rooftops how it was race related.
As for white people being killed by cops:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ty-d/?page=all
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“"It turned out"....Your point being? He deserved to be shot in the head?”
“"It turned out"....Your point being? He deserved to be shot in the head?”
Don't put words in my mouth.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“The officer treated him fine up until then, he chose to put his foot down and drive off for reasons unknown. The cop looked like he panicked and didn't want to be dragged under the car. It all happens in a split second.”
“The officer treated him fine up until then, he chose to put his foot down and drive off for reasons unknown. The cop looked like he panicked and didn't want to be dragged under the car. It all happens in a split second.”
Wrong.
The car didn't move until the cop shot Mr Do Bose in the head. The car then rolled down the road. He didn't try to escape by driving off. If you are up for asking questions , perhaps you could have a go at this one,
Why did the cop lie in his report about being dragged along by the car?
When he actually fell over when he fired the weapon. He sounds like a real klutz.
Originally Posted by vinba:
“Course he did... He obviously had 'gang colors' and was a potential motorcycle gang leader and drug dealer..
Never mind the car moved after he had been shot and anyway all the cop had to do was step back.”
“Course he did... He obviously had 'gang colors' and was a potential motorcycle gang leader and drug dealer..
Never mind the car moved after he had been shot and anyway all the cop had to do was step back.”
Prove that race was a motivating factor in him being shot. Where is the evidence?
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Prove that race was a motivating factor in him being shot. Where is the evidence?”
“Prove that race was a motivating factor in him being shot. Where is the evidence?”
Well you obviously thought.. black guy must be a gang member with gang colors etc.. Perhaps the officer was equally prejudiced?
Originally Posted by My usernames:
“Wrong.
The car didn't move until the cop shot Mr Do Bose in the head. The car then rolled down the road. He didn't try to escape by driving off. If you are up for asking questions , perhaps you could have a go at this one,
Why did the cop lie in his report about being dragged along by the car?
When he actually fell over when he fired the weapon. He sounds like a real klutz.”
“Wrong.
The car didn't move until the cop shot Mr Do Bose in the head. The car then rolled down the road. He didn't try to escape by driving off. If you are up for asking questions , perhaps you could have a go at this one,
Why did the cop lie in his report about being dragged along by the car?
When he actually fell over when he fired the weapon. He sounds like a real klutz.”
Maybe he is a klutz and panicked. His respectful treatment of the man didn't appear the actions of someone racist hellbent on killing a black man because he is a white cop, yet that is your assertion.
As for an eyewitness account that Glasgow bin lorry crash had eyewitnesses saying it was going 70-100mph at the time, it was actually only going 25mph. Quite a big difference. It's easy to watch the video 100 times and slow it down at crucial moments but reliving it when it might have been a split second you might not always remember it accurately. It doesn't mean you shot him because he is black though. That is a whole different argument.
Originally Posted by vinba:
“Well you obviously thought.. black guy must be a gang member with gang colors etc.. Perhaps the officer was equally prejudiced?”
“Well you obviously thought.. black guy must be a gang member with gang colors etc.. Perhaps the officer was equally prejudiced?”
I already knew his connections to a motorcycle gang because I can see past the white = bad, black = good, line of argument. If he was some racist wanting to kill him or be mean then why be respectful to the guy and not just pull him out the car on trumped up charges?
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“If the victim had a rap sheet a mile long they are always a saint in death. They were caught doing drugs? No, they are turning their life around. They got done for multiple driving offences? No, they were misunderstandings or some other excuse. They drove off with an officer in their window? No, they were scared.
If it was a black cop shooting a white person then race wouldn't even cross your mind. A white cop shoots someone black and you automatically think KKK. Don't you realise that's a racist attitude against white cops?”
“If the victim had a rap sheet a mile long they are always a saint in death. They were caught doing drugs? No, they are turning their life around. They got done for multiple driving offences? No, they were misunderstandings or some other excuse. They drove off with an officer in their window? No, they were scared.
If it was a black cop shooting a white person then race wouldn't even cross your mind. A white cop shoots someone black and you automatically think KKK. Don't you realise that's a racist attitude against white cops?”
Don't you realise how lame and boring your attempts to demonise the victim and support the cop are? Even the local police chief hasn't sunk to those depths but you feel you have the right to do so with absolutely no idea of the questions it raises about you.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“If the victim had a rap sheet a mile long they are always a saint in death. They were caught doing drugs? No, they are turning their life around. They got done for multiple driving offences? No, they were misunderstandings or some other excuse. They drove off with an officer in their window? No, they were scared.
If it was a black cop shooting a white person then race wouldn't even cross your mind. A white cop shoots someone black and you automatically think KKK. Don't you realise that's a racist attitude against white cops?”
“If the victim had a rap sheet a mile long they are always a saint in death. They were caught doing drugs? No, they are turning their life around. They got done for multiple driving offences? No, they were misunderstandings or some other excuse. They drove off with an officer in their window? No, they were scared.
If it was a black cop shooting a white person then race wouldn't even cross your mind. A white cop shoots someone black and you automatically think KKK. Don't you realise that's a racist attitude against white cops?”
I don't care if he was Ted freaking Bundy, either you believe in the right to be tried in a court of law or you believe in summary execution for minor misdemeanours. Guess I spoke too soon about the victim-blaming huh?
I have said I don't think this killing can be proved to be racially-motivated and you still want to accuse me of some sort of reverse-racism? Bizarre. Seems clear to me you're the one indulging in race-baiting here, not me.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Maybe he is a klutz and panicked. His respectful treatment of the man didn't appear the actions of someone racist hellbent on killing a black man because he is a white cop, yet that is your assertion.
As for an eyewitness account that Glasgow bin lorry crash had eyewitnesses saying it was going 70-100mph at the time, it was actually only going 25mph. Quite a big difference. It's easy to watch the video 100 times and slow it down at crucial moments but reliving it when it might have been a split second you might not always remember it accurately. It doesn't mean you shot him because he is black though.”
“Maybe he is a klutz and panicked. His respectful treatment of the man didn't appear the actions of someone racist hellbent on killing a black man because he is a white cop, yet that is your assertion.
As for an eyewitness account that Glasgow bin lorry crash had eyewitnesses saying it was going 70-100mph at the time, it was actually only going 25mph. Quite a big difference. It's easy to watch the video 100 times and slow it down at crucial moments but reliving it when it might have been a split second you might not always remember it accurately. It doesn't mean you shot him because he is black though.”
He's got a damned camera strapped to him.. Perhaps he didn't shoot him because he was black but he definitely shot him dead for no reason whatsoever..
And you've got to ask.. why is this happening disproportionately to black people and many of them on simple stops for traffic violations?
Is this the 'they might have a gun in the glove box I'd better shoot first and ask questions later' mentality?
And that link of yours proves nothing.,. Yes more white people than black people have been shot by cops in the last 10 years but that is because there are 3 times as many white people as black people..
Originally Posted by My usernames:
“Don't you realise how lame and boring your attempts to demonise the victim and support the cop are? Even the local police chief hasn't sunk to those depths but you feel you have the right to do so with absolutely no idea of the questions it raises about you.”
“Don't you realise how lame and boring your attempts to demonise the victim and support the cop are? Even the local police chief hasn't sunk to those depths but you feel you have the right to do so with absolutely no idea of the questions it raises about you.”
You are racist against white police officers. What evidence have you got that he was shot because he was black?
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