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University police officer charged with murder for shooting of Samuel DuBose
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FrankieFixer
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by vinba:
“He's got a damned camera strapped to him.. Perhaps he didn't shoot him because he was black but he definitely shot him dead for no reason whatsoever..

And you've got to ask.. why is this happening disproportionately to black people and many of them on simple stops for traffic violations?

Is this the 'they might have a gun in the glove box I'd better shoot first and ask questions later' mentality?

And that link of yours proves nothing.,. Yes more white people than black people have been shot by cops in the last 10 years but that is because there are 3 times as many white people as black people..”

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“Adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown of the U.S. population, he said black men are 3.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white men. But also adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown in violent crime, the data actually show that police are less likely to kill black suspects than white ones.

“If one adjusts for the racial disparity in the homicide rate or the rate at which police are feloniously killed, whites are actually more likely to be killed by police than blacks,” said Mr. Moskos, a former Baltimore cop and author of the book “Cop in the Hood.”

“Adjusted for the homicide rate, whites are 1.7 times more likely than blacks die at the hands of police,” he said. “Adjusted for the racial disparity at which police are feloniously killed, whites are 1.3 times more likely than blacks to die at the hands of police.””

All of this racist white cops argument seems futile when they will quite clearly shoot you if you are of any race. Better training and less trigger happy cops is what I'd want if I lived there, not race baiting. If you keep feeding that argument you just create more belligerence and more bodies pile up. Nobody wins.
My usernames
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“You are racist against white police officers. What evidence have you got that he was shot because he was black?”

Yawn.......moving on,
Fappy_McFapper
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Don't put words in my mouth.”

No need to since it is crystal clear what you're agenda is.
FrankieFixer
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by Fappy_McFapper:
“No need to since it is crystal clear what you're agenda is.”

You might think every white cop is racist and wants to kill black people, I don't.
Fappy_McFapper
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“You might think every white cop is racist and wants to kill black people, I don't.”

Actually I don't think that at all but I do think, no I know that you are just trolling for an argument.
vinba
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“You might think every white cop is racist and wants to kill black people, I don't.”

Nobody is saying that... not even Al Sharpton. There is however a disturbing trend of videos showing black people being to put it mildly 'gunned down' by the police.

Maybe it's always been like this and the fact that there is so much cctv and phone camera footage nowadays that it's getting less easy for cop to lie and get away with either murdering someone or panicking and killing someone by mistake.
FrankieFixer
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by Fappy_McFapper:
“Actually I don't think that at all but I do think, no I know that you are just trolling for an argument.”

That was to demonstrate me putting words in your mouth.
FrankieFixer
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by vinba:
“Nobody is saying that... not even Al Sharpton. There is however a disturbing trend of videos showing black people being to put it mildly 'gunned down' by the police.

Maybe it's always been like this and the fact that there is so much cctv and phone camera footage nowadays that it's getting less easy for cop to lie and get away with either murdering someone or panicking and killing someone by mistake.”

I'd put body cameras on all cops. I just don't think there are all these racist cops with itchy trigger fingers wanting to kill black people like the media portray. That guy that was shot had obviously been involved with the police a lot. He should have known the procedure and not to give any excuses for the cop to take deadly action like that.

One guy dead, one guy probably going to jail, black people think they are being targeted, white cops think they are vilified. Everybody loses. Common sense from the driver and common sense and better training from the officer and the whole thing is avoided.
My usernames
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“I'd put body cameras on all cops. I just don't think there are all these racist cops with itchy trigger fingers wanting to kill black people like the media portray. That guy that was shot had obviously been involved with the police a lot. He should have known the procedure and not to give any excuses for the cop to take deadly action like that.

One guy dead, one guy probably going to jail, black people think they are being targeted, white cops think they are vilified. Everybody loses. Common sense from the driver and common sense and better training from the officer and the whole thing is avoided.”

What a surprise! More victim blaming from the troll

Tell me , Frankie is your carer on. Holiday? Are you having an episode because you need to take your meds? You are very one dimensional and entrenched With your arguments like an idiot savant. But also strangely compelling like a circus freak that demands our attention.
FrankieFixer
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by My usernames:
“What a surprise! More victim blaming from the troll

Tell me , Frankie is your carer on. Holiday? Are you having an episode because you need to take your meds? You are very one dimensional and entrenched With your arguments like an idiot savant. But also strangely compelling like a circus freak that demands our attention.”

Your arguments are illogical at best, and race baiting at worst.
kitty86
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“I'd put body cameras on all cops. I just don't think there are all these racist cops with itchy trigger fingers wanting to kill black people like the media portray. That guy that was shot had obviously been involved with the police a lot. He should have known the procedure and not to give any excuses for the cop to take deadly action like that.

One guy dead, one guy probably going to jail, black people think they are being targeted, white cops think they are vilified. Everybody loses. Common sense from the driver and common sense and better training from the officer and the whole thing is avoided.”

He should have known the procedure? What procedure was that then? The one where you don't give a cop a reason to shoot you in the head for absolutely no reason. Is this really a thing now?!
FrankieFixer
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by kitty86:
“He should have known the procedure? What procedure was that then? The one where you don't give a cop a reason to shoot you in the head for absolutely no reason. Is this really a thing now?!”

If a police officer is trying to ascertain if you have a licence or not and asks you to take your seat belt off do you turn the ignition and attempt to drive off?
anne_666
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Don't put words in my mouth.”

So what is the point of telling us all about his past?
kitty86
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“If a police officer is trying to ascertain if you have a licence or not and asks you to take your seat belt off do you turn the ignition and attempt to drive off?”

If I do does that give the police officer the right to shoot me in the head?
FrankieFixer
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“So what is the point of telling us all about his past?”

It's important to establish the facts about who was involved.
anne_666
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“I'd put body cameras on all cops. I just don't think there are all these racist cops with itchy trigger fingers wanting to kill black people like the media portray. That guy that was shot had obviously been involved with the police a lot. He should have known the procedure and not to give any excuses for the cop to take deadly action like that.

One guy dead, one guy probably going to jail, black people think they are being targeted, white cops think they are vilified. Everybody loses. Common sense from the driver and common sense and better training from the officer and the whole thing is avoided.”

So you are victim blaming. You believe it's right for a cop to shoot someone in the head for turning on his engine, appearing to be trying to drive off and you are justifying cold blooded murder? OMG! He wasn't in any danger of being dragged anywhere, he was lying and the video shows it all. Have you watched it, I can only assume you haven't.
Well it's not. It was asinine behaviour as his police chief said and he's charged with murder as he damn well should be. Is that so hard to fathom?
FrankieFixer
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by kitty86:
“If I do does that give the police officer the right to shoot me in the head?”

Depends if you are dragging the cop along or a threat to his life. Do you want to risk it or just take the seat belt off and comply?
FrankieFixer
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“So you are victim blaming. You believe it's right for a cop to shoot someone in the head for turning on his engine, appearing to be trying to drive off and you are justifying cold blooded murder? OMG! He wasn't in any danger of being dragged anywhere, he was lying and the video shows it all. Have you watched it, I can only assume you haven't.
Well it's not. It was asinine behaviour as his police chief said and he's charged with murder as he damn well should be. Is that so hard to fathom?”

Again you aren't able to comprehend what I said and make up your own lies. The man shouldn't have attempted to drive off and the officer shouldn't have shot. The initial argument from some was that he was shot because he was black, there is no evidence of that.
anne_666
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Again you aren't able to comprehend what I said and make up your own lies. The man shouldn't have attempted to drive off and the officer shouldn't have shot. The initial argument from some was that he was shot because he was black, there is no evidence of that.”

I fully comprehend what you're doing, trying to justify murder as your words clearly say.
kaybee15
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by My usernames:
“How Convenient that you had that Daily Mail story at hand. In the absence of reports of a nationwide trend of black cops deliberately murdering unarmed white people and falsifying evidence to cover up their homicide, I'll have to say I can't tell, There might be a racist component to the cops actions , there might not.

Anyway the two incidents are very different, the black cop was an actual cop not a jumped up security guard. The person he shot was advancing on him with what he thought was a weapon (according to your source) not sitting in his car cooperating with the cop.
Your comparison is forced and does not stand up to scrutiny.”

Could you please show where in that article it states that the officer thought Gil Collar had a weapon?
vinba
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Depends if you are dragging the cop along or a threat to his life. Do you want to risk it or just take the seat belt off and comply?”

Except that's not what happened...

The prosecutor says that he shot the victim in the head and then fell backwards, then the car moved.. If the victim was driving an automatic than the mere taking of your foot of the brake will cause the car to move forward if you're in drive.

If this guy had been stopped multiple times before without incident, why was this time different? Will be interesting to see if he and the cop had any 'previous'
FrankieFixer
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“I fully comprehend what you're doing, trying to justify murder as your words clearly say.”

Again you can't comprehend what I said. Keep going until you get it correct.
kitty86
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“Depends if you are dragging the cop along or a threat to his life. Do you want to risk it or just take the seat belt off and comply?”

Well considering that the cop did not get dragged along and his life was not threatened I don't see how that bears any relevance.

So as those things did not happen and the cop still shot an innocent man dead the cop is obviously in the wrong isn't he?
kitty86
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by kaybee15:
“Could you please show where in that article it states that the officer thought Gil Collar had a weapon?”

Don't you have anything to say about the actual case the the thread is about then?
FrankieFixer
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by vinba:
“Except that's not what happened...

The prosecutor says that he shot the victim in the head and then fell backwards, then the car moved.. If the victim was driving an automatic than the mere taking of your foot of the brake will cause the car to move forward if you're in drive.

If this guy had been stopped multiple times before without incident, why was this time different? Will be interesting to see if he and the cop had any 'previous'”

The defence said:

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“Tensing's attorney believes the officer feared for his life.

"The guy jams the keys in the ignition," Stew Mathews told CNN.

"Turns the car on, jams it (into) drive and mashes the accelerator. He wasn't slowly pulling away. (Tensing) feared for his life. He thought he was going to be sucked under the car that was pulling away from him. He thought he was going to get sucked under and killed."”

The whole policing situation looks difficult over there just now. It'll be an interesting case to keep abreast of.
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