I think it was, Everyone acting totally oblivious to Linda's turmoil afterwards, to being pushed out of her own storylines, to the stupid whos the daddy plot, to Dean being made out to be the victim. Any thoughts??
EE Was Lida's rape the most poorly done rape sl in soap history??
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Originally Posted by SMIDSYmk2:
“No JP's rape was the absolute worse, complete insult.”
“No JP's rape was the absolute worse, complete insult.”
No I actually think even that was better than this, adleast they didn't try and make us feel sorry for Finn.
Yep! Was more about Mick and Shirley than her.
All these shows only ever show is the problem, the shouty shouty bit of the issue, they never show the healing side. Carol's cancer plot is far from over (but you try telling the writers that) and I think for Mick and Linda it would've been really good to have her explore and recapture her sexiness again, which would clearly have been marred by what she's experienced. She was a Page 3 girl , wasn't she?
But oh no, it's gotta be all about the drama and nothing else. In its heyday - early to mid 90's - Brookside showed how powerful a soap could do its storylines, Patricia Farnham's breast cancer and its long term impact on her mindset being a fine example. I suggest EE writers watch some old eps on Youtube as an education.
All these shows only ever show is the problem, the shouty shouty bit of the issue, they never show the healing side. Carol's cancer plot is far from over (but you try telling the writers that) and I think for Mick and Linda it would've been really good to have her explore and recapture her sexiness again, which would clearly have been marred by what she's experienced. She was a Page 3 girl , wasn't she?
But oh no, it's gotta be all about the drama and nothing else. In its heyday - early to mid 90's - Brookside showed how powerful a soap could do its storylines, Patricia Farnham's breast cancer and its long term impact on her mindset being a fine example. I suggest EE writers watch some old eps on Youtube as an education.
It's near the top on how not to do a rape story, the aftermath was good but then it turned into a farce and made it about Mick/Shirley/Dean feud which was on repeat for about 5 months, Linda effectively become a extra in her own story, while it's been put on the back burner atm no doubt to do with the negative reaction towards it, it will spring up when they feel like it instead of bringing it to close, it has destroyed the Carters imo there not the same family that come in 2013.
It started out good but it's been the one major error of DTC's time in charge of EE so far...
That and the bizarre implied sex + Funeral parlor + Dead body scene from a couple of week's ago.
As stated above, the biggest error of the rape SL was Linda having to become an extra in her own story while the focus was all on Danny Dyer smashing up the Vic over Christmas and the Shirley/Dean/Mick merry-go-round.
That and the bizarre implied sex + Funeral parlor + Dead body scene from a couple of week's ago.
As stated above, the biggest error of the rape SL was Linda having to become an extra in her own story while the focus was all on Danny Dyer smashing up the Vic over Christmas and the Shirley/Dean/Mick merry-go-round.
Originally Posted by Logopolis:
“Who is Lida”
“Who is Lida”
LOL sorry missed out the N, I'm such a dunder head somtimes
It was great to start with, but the moment they turned it into a 'who's the daddy' it became a farce. And of course their desperation to keep Matt on the show dragged it out to the point that his every scene he was in was an insult to the viewer. I wouldn't say the Carters are ruined but they are no longer the family they were.
I think it was alright, it had a couple of highs at least. The scene were Linda told the police her side of the story while Dean did the same to Shirley was really well done.
What really annoyed me was that it became more about Mick and Shirleys fued in the end, if they had kept the secret son thing seperate from the story, it would have turned out better.
As for the people who complain about them trying to make us feel sorry for Dean, you are allowed to do so. Rape is terrible but it doesn't make him devoid of humanity. He was excited to have a daughter and then he found out she had cystic fibrosis, why wouldn't you sympathize for him?
Not once have the writers ever tried to make us take his side over Lindas but a lot of people are acting like it is their intentions to do just that.
What really annoyed me was that it became more about Mick and Shirleys fued in the end, if they had kept the secret son thing seperate from the story, it would have turned out better.
As for the people who complain about them trying to make us feel sorry for Dean, you are allowed to do so. Rape is terrible but it doesn't make him devoid of humanity. He was excited to have a daughter and then he found out she had cystic fibrosis, why wouldn't you sympathize for him?
Not once have the writers ever tried to make us take his side over Lindas but a lot of people are acting like it is their intentions to do just that.
The actual rape episode and immediate aftermath episodes were engaging and extremely well handled. It's been a farce ever since Mick found out about it as others have said it stopped being about the victim.
The actual rape was very well done and in the immediate aftermath Linda was brilliant with even Dean being good in his intriguing stance of him thinking it was consensual but as soon as they made it about the reveal coming at Christmas it lost any cleverness, any subtlety and any decent drama because it wasn't about the horrific subject of rape but about garnering ratings for the show 
It's been pretty much downhill since then to the point it seems to have been swept under the carpet. Maybe it will be resurrected to use as next Christmas's big story line
It's been pretty much downhill since then to the point it seems to have been swept under the carpet. Maybe it will be resurrected to use as next Christmas's big story line
The rape itself and the immediate aftermath was incredibly well done. Once it became all about Mick and Shirley, that's when it started getting bad.
I hated the fact that Linda was like an extra in the storyline. I thought it was good to focus on the rest of the family as well, but not at Linda's expense. There was just too much going on, the reveal that Shirley was Mick's mum would have been massive but was lost in the ongoing focus on bloody Dean and week after week of his pitiful attempts at acting. The "who's the daddy" and business around Shabnam's baby also gave the impression that it was all about the drama rather than really taking a responsible attitude towards the original rape storyline.
Originally Posted by MrJames:
“The rape itself and the immediate aftermath was incredibly well done. Once it became all about Mick and Shirley, that's when it started getting bad.”
“The rape itself and the immediate aftermath was incredibly well done. Once it became all about Mick and Shirley, that's when it started getting bad.”
I didn't like the way everyone was totally oblivious to the fact she was upset and trumatised. They all just seemed to ignore it and shake it off.
It was ok as a storyline imo but quite tedious in recent months.
The award for worst EE storyline (not rape, sorry to go off topic), has to go to Tanya's cancer cold. That was just LAUGHABLE. They had the opportunity to make it really gritty and I thought it would be a great storyline, but from start to finish it was a shambles. Hardly any scenes were devoted to it, she barely looked ill, and the fact she acted as if she had a cold for several months was just unbelievable.
The award for worst EE storyline (not rape, sorry to go off topic), has to go to Tanya's cancer cold. That was just LAUGHABLE. They had the opportunity to make it really gritty and I thought it would be a great storyline, but from start to finish it was a shambles. Hardly any scenes were devoted to it, she barely looked ill, and the fact she acted as if she had a cold for several months was just unbelievable.
Originally Posted by MrJames:
“The rape itself and the immediate aftermath was incredibly well done. Once it became all about Mick and Shirley, that's when it started getting bad.”
“The rape itself and the immediate aftermath was incredibly well done. Once it became all about Mick and Shirley, that's when it started getting bad.”
Yeah, I'd agree with that. It started really well - was well acted, but as soon as Linda was sidelined for the other characters it was ruined.
No that would be Carla Connor's which was a plot device for an affair, the reveal of said affair and a murder whodunit which hasn't been spoken of since the non-regular character who did it was arrested
Started well but it descended into a complete farce. Not helped by DTC's block storytelling as well the fact that a number of characters seem to have no problem with Dean being around. It was really cheapened by recently involving him with Roxy, romantically.
I'd say EE mucked up majorly when they had Little Mo Slater raped for the second time by that Graham bloke. It was a couple of years after Trevor, which was a really well done storyline.
I'd say EE mucked up majorly when they had Little Mo Slater raped for the second time by that Graham bloke. It was a couple of years after Trevor, which was a really well done storyline.
Originally Posted by FruityLoopy:
“They made a huge mistake turning Dean into the victim. That's when the story nose dived.”
“They made a huge mistake turning Dean into the victim. That's when the story nose dived.”
This, they tried to force us to like Dean and we had none of it and it went on and on.
Originally Posted by Scrabbler:
“The actual rape episode and immediate aftermath episodes were engaging and extremely well handled. It's been a farce ever since Mick found out about it as others have said it stopped being about the victim.”
“The actual rape episode and immediate aftermath episodes were engaging and extremely well handled. It's been a farce ever since Mick found out about it as others have said it stopped being about the victim.”
Originally Posted by MrJames:
“The rape itself and the immediate aftermath was incredibly well done. Once it became all about Mick and Shirley, that's when it started getting bad.”
“The rape itself and the immediate aftermath was incredibly well done. Once it became all about Mick and Shirley, that's when it started getting bad.”
Agree with the above posts. I fail to see how the actual rape and it's immediate aftermath could have been handled better. It's a dubious thing to say about an on-screen rape but it was riveting viewing and also the next day when Linda just couldn't cope with having him in her kitchen and ran out into the street we really got her horror and claustrophobia at being stuck with him.
It fell apart when it stopped being about her but about the relationship breakdowns between Mick, Shirley and Dean. I know that rapes DO affect other people but the way Linda was sidelined in her own rape was disgusting. I also didn't really like the way they almost made her saintly when it came to Shirley, a woman who was publicly and nastily calling her out as a liar and adulteress yet she was telling Mick make to make up with her? Flew in the face of the woman who made Mick choose between Shirley and his family when the pub burnt down.
No. John Paul's was much, much worse. Attempting to make a rapist sympathetic is disgusting (and I'm not even sure EE are trying to do this, I think they're just trying, and failing, to show that a rapist is a person with other aspects to them and just because someone is a rapist doesn't mean they're a monster in all elements of their life); making the victim into a criminal with an assault charge against a student/his rapist on his record is far more so. It's a shame, cos that one started so well too.
Totally agree. I think women, especially, would be very wary of him. We haven't seen much of this- I feel like more people would give him a wide berth. I find it a bit hard to believe that Roxy, whose sister was a victim of sexual abuse, would go near Dean, especially when she has a young daughter.
That said, it's sadly realistic in some ways. I know someone who was convicted of rape and when he came out of prison, all his friends rallied round and his girlfriend was still waiting for him. One of his victims had to move down the country because her family's car and house kept getting vandalised.
Originally Posted by NoughtiesMusic:
“Started well but it descended into a complete farce. Not helped by DTC's block storytelling as well the fact that a number of characters seem to have no problem with Dean being around. It was really cheapened by recently involving him with Roxy, romantically.”
“Started well but it descended into a complete farce. Not helped by DTC's block storytelling as well the fact that a number of characters seem to have no problem with Dean being around. It was really cheapened by recently involving him with Roxy, romantically.”
Totally agree. I think women, especially, would be very wary of him. We haven't seen much of this- I feel like more people would give him a wide berth. I find it a bit hard to believe that Roxy, whose sister was a victim of sexual abuse, would go near Dean, especially when she has a young daughter.
That said, it's sadly realistic in some ways. I know someone who was convicted of rape and when he came out of prison, all his friends rallied round and his girlfriend was still waiting for him. One of his victims had to move down the country because her family's car and house kept getting vandalised.
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