I use my Humax as a recording facility only. Obviously the fact that it gives a good playback picture on my TV is essential but its operational ease and GUI is equally important perhaps more so. I don't use my Humax's tuner for watching TV, the inbuilt tuner on the TV serves that purpose.

So are you are saying that your TV tuner gives a better pic than the Hummy tuners hence you not using it to view broadcast TV?
I would say that the pic you are raving about has as much to do with your TV upscaling as the Humax.
I have a brilliant picture from it....But, then I have a brilliant picture from my other sources as well.
To be honest there are more negatives than pluses with the Humax FVP-4000T. That UI shouldn't have to be suffered by anyone.

Not at all. Have been fortunate to have tried the DTR-T2000 YouView,and HDR-1100S Freesat Freetime over the last year,and the FVP4000T beats them both on HD PQ.

Useful call. Not thought about that. My PVR-9300T has given good service, but forgets/cancels some series links and stutters a bit from time to time, nothing major though. One thing that worries me a little about Youview is the lack of manual tuning, as when I do a re-tune, I always have to do it manually to pick up the local BBC station (which I don't think Youview can do).
A question on the Now TV box - are all the features (eg, catchup) still active if you do not re-new your monthly pass?
Alternatively, I could 'rent' a BT box for £7.50/m as I am on BT anyway. Still may have issues with local BBC though.

You're conclusions are false. I prefer the interface on my Sony Bravia TV in contrast to the Humax. Personally I cannot see significant differences between the two and anway my partner finds the TV remote more logical. The Humax is only brought out standby when recorded material is viewed, obviously.Good picture quality is a bonus but good programmes are far more important to me.

It wasn't a conclusion, it was a question.
I agree about the remote, the Humax one is abysmal.
The recorded picture won't be any better than the transmitted picture and your TV is probably upscaling whatever is there.
As long as you are enjoying it, that's the main consideration.
Anyway, there will soon be some Panny reviews out there, hopefully, it'll give a better alternative.

Can you tell me if you are able to use the internet side of things while you are recording TV programs, for example if I wanted to use YouTube.

Yes, you can.

Thanks for that, I'm not sure the Panny can?

It does seem to say you can't in the manual.....Shame if correct.

Historically Panasonic boxes don't multitask very well..

A tad baffled. Whether or not the TV is upscaling and/or de-interlacing depends on the scaler setting chosen on the source and of course the channel you are viewing.

If you set the source box to output 1080p, the TV does no scaling or de-interlacing at all (Though depending on settings it may be messing with the video in other ways).

Freeview-HD is a mixture of 1920 x 1080 interlaced (50 frames/second - 25fps) and 1080p25 (also 1920 x 1080). SD channel resolution is 576i with the worst having 544 x 576 pixels rising to 720 (704) x 576 for the best channels.

As to can't be better than the source. of course it can't but the picture quality on decent TV's is massively superior to cheap Vestel sets sold under a variety of different names, and they get the same sources.

I do not have the box, but can understand the picture quality may well be superior. Connected to my high end Panasonic, I have a first generation Freesat+ box (Humax Foxsat-HDR) and a second generation freetime box (Humaxm HDR 1000S), The newer unit has a significantly superior picture despite having the same sources.

As to the Panasonic range, if you use a rf system to transmit pictures to other TV's it apparently will not work as it is reported is no analogue outputs of any description.

Are you still happy or do have some reservations since you purchased? I am still in doubt which way to go, how much do you think that Humax can change with new software update?

Sorry, didn't mean to baffle you. I don't disagree with that and would bow to your superior knowledge on the subject anyway.
My point was that the picture recorded wouldn't be any better than the picture shown via the box live......Probably my fault for not explaining it properly.

I know you weren't asking me, but, I'm not sure Humax will bother with changing anything and we may have to wait and see if the community can come up with something to improve it.

The picture recorded is 100% identical to the original. The whole point of a digital pvr is that the digital data stream comprising the audio and video is saved to a hard disk as it is being received, in this case from an aerial.

I don't think the poster ever said a recording looks better than live, it has to be identical.

Unlike analogue you can make a million copies of copies of the same data, and the millionth copy will also be identical. (No generation loss)

No idea what Humax will do,if anything. The box will definitely be staying,as I'm still impressed with the PQ. I've learnt to live with the quirks,and as viewing,in my usage is 99%,I'm happy.

Having read the whole thread, I think the most annoying thing so far, for me personally, is not having dedicated skip buttons and having to press ok first to access this function. The skip buttons are the most used on my remotes so I know this would annoy me A LOT !! What were they thinking when they got rid of these buttons ??

Not sure I like much of what I've read at all tbh and have gone from feeling excited about getting a box that will record 4 progs to feeling pretty deflated and thinking I'm not even going to buy it at all now

The one person on here who seems pleased with his purchase is Bampsam who says he is keeping his as the pq is so good. I'm afraid I want more than a good picture from a pvr, my tv delivers a good pic on its own, I want something better than my Fox t2 and this doesn't sound like it is even equal never mind better. Shame.

That's what I said...maybe not clearly enough...it was actually in response to him not actually using the box to view live TV.
So all now on the same page...

He can't really avoid watching some live TV . It appears when you boot the box.

However it does seem odd that he prefers to use a TV tuner which presumably lacks live pause and recording from the time shift buffer. It's not clear if he thinks the TV tuner has better pictures (If so it's more than likely down to TV setup).

My TV has two Freesat and two Freeview tuners (and live pause plus a primitive recording capability if a usb drive is attached), and I never use them.

For 99% of the time a twin tuner HDR1000S covers everything I need to watch. I tend to always watch ITV HD in chasing playback, so I can skip the ads.

Does any1 know if there will b a remote record app as I use that quite a lot on my frees at box and youview. Also his long usually before harmony add it to there database.

I did mention earlier in this thread that Humax stated that there would be such an app in a few weeks.

BiB. Is that referring to me or someone else? If me, then my Sony TV has live pause, recording facility via a plug-in USB memory stick and is a Smart TV that has almost all the Apps anyone could need and anyway, watching catchup via Apps is tedious as there is no way of skipping those ads.
The best App my TV has is The Berliner Philharmoniker, to which I subscribe, so that I can watch archived and live concerts, straight from Berlin.

Yes, a triple tuner Humax without all the crap would be my ideal but we don't live in an ideal world. Just look at modern cars! I'm currently looking at a new car and most are so full of 'stuff' that I just won't used but usually have to pay for.

I'm beginning to think I'm the only one who loves the 4000T!!!!

You are not alone