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Old 23-08-2015, 17:03
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Thanks for the specification link. Looks like the FVP-4000T will be worth the wait.
Wait a year or so after release, for Humax to get round to releasing a version of software that actually works

Humax are notorious for releasing buggy software, and for their slow ability to correct it.
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Old 23-08-2015, 17:14
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Lets hope it doesn't put crap down the HDMI CEC line like the 1800 did. Quite happy for it to have no CEC like the Fox T2.
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Old 23-08-2015, 18:35
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Lets hope it doesn't put crap down the HDMI CEC line like the 1800 did. Quite happy for it to have no CEC like the Fox T2.
I would imagine it's pretty certain to have CEC, it's the way of the future - but presumably it will be capable of being turned OFF?.
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Old 23-08-2015, 19:07
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I would imagine it's pretty certain to have CEC, it's the way of the future - but presumably it will be capable of being turned OFF?.
I hope you are right, on an 1800, may have been a 2000, I had for a while I had to make up a cable with the appropriate pin masked or turn off Bravia sync, which meant I lost control of my Sony DVD/AV system as well. Humax denied all knowledge of the problem despite lots of complaints on Amazon and elsewhere. It trashed the CEC systems on Panasonic and Samsung TVs as well. It was only on loan to enable me to make recordings for a friend who was out of the country and I was happy to give it back. My own Fox T-2 has never given any problems.
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Old 23-08-2015, 19:31
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will have to wait till its actually released before i decide for me it must have

media player
scart socket for my video sender
netflix, amazon and now tv

if it has all those it can replace my humax fox t2 and i dont have to have my ps3 for catch up services
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Old 23-08-2015, 19:44
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Humax denied all knowledge of the problem despite lots of complaints on Amazon and elsewhere.
We've not had any such complaints, although it's certainly true that Humax don't seem to have any clue about how to design connections - either SCART or HDMI, they tend to get it completely wrong.
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Old 07-09-2015, 08:56
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For information on the FVP 4000T.

http://content.etilize.com/Manufactu...1030961080.pdf
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Old 07-09-2015, 12:39
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I will hold fire until reviews come out. Still not keen on the looks though, but having said that performance is the key. Manhattan PVR's come out later so I might hold off and see what they have to offer. I think the key is whether other PVR's go with the 3 tuners like Humax? Panasonic haven't.
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Old 07-09-2015, 15:26
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Freeview Play to launch in October apparently !!!
http://www.freeview.co.uk/articles/n...t-month-2.html

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Old 07-09-2015, 16:01
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Had a reply to an email I sent Humax regarding the launch of Freeview Play in October. I asked when would the FVP-4000T be available,and their answer was it would be around the same time.
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Old 08-09-2015, 16:58
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Just recently I contacted a Freeview Play PVR manufacturer asking why they are not following the Humax decision and having 3 tuners in their PVR's, this was their reply, what do you think?

The purpose and benefit of Freeview Play, is the ability to access more On Demand content than the current Freeview products. We believe the need for 3 tuners is very small because much of the broadcast content will be available on catch up for 30 days, if not more. Based on this, we've opted for 2 tuners.
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Old 08-09-2015, 19:24
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Just recently I contacted a Freeview Play PVR manufacturer asking why they are not following the Humax decision and having 3 tuners in their PVR's, this was their reply, what do you think?

The purpose and benefit of Freeview Play, is the ability to access more On Demand content than the current Freeview products. We believe the need for 3 tuners is very small because much of the broadcast content will be available on catch up for 30 days, if not more. Based on this, we've opted for 2 tuners.
Unless the cost is a significant factor for a 3-tuner then I think that is a rubbish reply.
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Old 08-09-2015, 20:40
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Unless the cost is a significant factor for a 3-tuner then I think that is a rubbish reply.
That's my thinking also, I think Humax will be a big seller for those who like to do a lot of recording.
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Old 25-09-2015, 07:29
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Panasonic recently updated their website to show a range of recorders with Freeview Play and they are beginning to appear on retailer's websites as pre-order or special order with expected delivery around 1st October.

This would seem to indicate Humax wont be first to market as previously thought.

It's seems that Panasonic's "feature" is 4K upscaling. Not sure that is a bigger draw than three tuners!
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Old 25-09-2015, 09:59
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I think that is a no brainer that consumers will go for the 3 tuner concept, if you do a lot of recording then I think it is a big advantage also skipping adverts on commercial channels which you cannot do on catch up. Regarding the 4K, do you not have to have a 4K TV to take advantage of this. Regarding Humax, I think you will find their release will coincide with the release of Freeview Play. I think at the end of the day, my advice is to wait for the reviews and then make a choice.

PS: The Humax FVP-4000T has been produced and can be pre ordered.
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Old 25-09-2015, 10:32
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There is no point in 4K upscaling unless it is better than the upscaling in the TV. Same applies to DVD players with HD upscaling.
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Old 28-09-2015, 10:52
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Just had an email from Humax Direct saying the FVP-4000T will be available this Friday.
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Old 28-09-2015, 12:29
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Anyone who is a first buyer of the FVP-4000T your opinion would be appreciated as to what you think of it.
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Old 28-09-2015, 22:45
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Anyone who is a first buyer of the FVP-4000T your opinion would be appreciated as to what you think of it.
Have had mine on pre-order since April/may, can't wait to get it for the 3 tuners, I did purchase EE TV box from well known website due to fact that has 4 tuners, unbeknown to me it's absolutely useless unless on EE broadband, which I am not
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Old 30-09-2015, 19:43
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Hi, looking to purchase this item but having no luck, have seen it advertised in the Argos catalogue but out of stock?

Can anyone let me know when this item is likely to be released or where I can purchase one from

Thank you in advance
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Old 30-09-2015, 19:48
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Hi, looking to purchase this item but having no luck, have seen it advertised in the Argos catalogue but out of stock?

Can anyone let me know when this item is likely to be released or where I can purchase one from

Thank you in advance
Tribal UK claim to have stock.
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Old 30-09-2015, 20:16
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Tribal UK claim to have stock.
They are part of the Hughes group which coincidently I've just been looking at the Hughes's website and although marked as 'in stock' when you delve deeper most stores aren't available for pickup until Monday 10am with the remaining stores being the next day for in store collection.
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Old 01-10-2015, 08:01
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They are part of the Hughes group which coincidently I've just been looking at the Hughes's website and although marked as 'in stock' when you delve deeper most stores aren't available for pickup until Monday 10am with the remaining stores being the next day for in store collection.
By next day I meant Tuesday, a day later than the other stores.

So far there is no sign of the 1TB that I can see. Barring in mind that its an HD recorder and Humax's track record for taking up more space for the same recording on their freeview HD recorders than other brands, the 500GB could be considered a bit on the small side.
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Old 01-10-2015, 11:10
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Barring in mind that its an HD recorder and Humax's track record for taking up more space for the same recording on their freeview HD recorders than other brands, the 500GB could be considered a bit on the small side.
I wasn't aware of that; do you have any figures on how much more space the Humax uses? I know that what is saved to disk is the received digtial stream plus a time stamp. Are other brands stripping data out of the received stream?
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Old 01-10-2015, 13:26
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I wasn't aware of that; do you have any figures on how much more space the Humax uses? I know that what is saved to disk is the received digtial stream plus a time stamp. Are other brands stripping data out of the received stream?
The extra stuff that the Humax Freeview HD records is the entire epg stream for the multiplex. The overhead for HD on the main BBC HD mux is just 4% due to there not being many channels and the large recording space required by the video iteslf. For a low bit Radio it can increase the file size by 700%. For an average SD programme its varies between 12 and 23%, my guess is an average of 18%.

On the custom firmware if you go the the media web-if there is an option for each recording to shrink it. Selecting the option gives an estimation of the % that will be saved for that particular recording.

I think it was first reported a few years ago on Myhumax.org when it become very obvious when a small external HD-FOX T2 was being used almost exclusively for Radio programmes. The same was re-reported on hummy.tv a few moths later. The shrink package was released a few days later after it was reported on hummy.tv. The HDR-2000T and HDR-1800T are also similar at least up to version UKTFAC 1.01.13, (I haven't looked at today's new software release for those models yet but the release notes don't mention this aspect being improved).
This extra padding of the recordings also effects the Youview DTR-T2100 and presumably the other Humax Youview models. The TalkTalk Youview models are OK but they are not made by Humax.

The only disadvantage of the shrink package is that the side car files are automatically rebuilt to take account of the main file change. This has a knock on effect on some SD recordings when played back at 2X that some black blocking can sometimes be observed. All other speeds are unaffected. It probably does effect 2X playback on some HD recordings but so infrequently that is difficulty to find an example, especially that for most recordings it is only intermittent when played back at 2X speed and does not affect the whole recording.

The crop option of the custom firmware will also simultaneously shrink the recording.
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