Last winter's CBB out-rated the summer one by 1 million, but if it was the highest rated on C5, it can't have been by much, since the previous summer series also had 3.1 million.

I think the ratings for the next winter CBB will depend on who they pick for housemates. Who could they get who'd prove as big a draw as Jim Davidson or Katie Hopkins?

I like them, or Chloe anyway, but together they haven't been very interesting.

However, seeing them is at least a break from the other stuff, and I don't think most other conversations we've seen have been any more riveting.

I'd like to see more of Scoop and Gail. They're the most interesting ones in there, it seems to me. It's also possible that Bobby or Chris or the Baldwin could be interesting. I'd like to see more of them and a LOT less of Farrah, Jenna, Janice, Austin, and the other guy. (I can't even remember his name at the moment.)

Gogglebox is back next Friday (11th) at 9pm on C4. I wonder if that will dent CBBs eviction ratings somewhat.

It was the highest rated by a small 30k, so basically it was only just highest rated .

CBB13- 3.04m
CBB15- 3.07m

So when rounded, CBB13 would be classified as 3.0m and CBB15 as 3.1m, but if you look at the way I posted them, it is much closer. CBB15, despite being higher rated in terms of average, I think CBB13 still should be seen as the success series of C5 (much like BB3 is seen in terms of C4 years) based on the fact of it's growth throughout.

Sure CBB15 averaged slightly more but it started with 3.65m and ended with 3.04m, whereas CBB13 started with 3.69m and ended with 3.71m and almost grew week to week. So CBB13 should be seen as the overall success, CBB15s higher average would be thanks to huge peaks in the first 2 weeks.

I agree that it depends who they get. I don't see it even touching anywhere near 3m again officially because those two series had big initial characters to intrigue people. They'd need to get some extremely impressive people for CBB17 and then hope for an incredible series to come near CBB13 and CBB15 numbers, it more than likely will touch CBB9s 2.6m official.

We might get more live feed.
apparently endemol are pushing for more (just heard back from Nick Samwell-smith)
personally I think it can only help last nights hour was so funny. Seeing Janice turn basic food into an Alien lifeform was worth the late hour.

Oh dear. It certainly will. In fact, I'd probably watch Gogglebox first at 9pm and then CBB at 10pm because CBB would be on for 90 mins so I wouldn't be able to watch Gogglebox on +1.

Oh really?

Did Nick tell you anything else regarding that? Are they happy with the feeds performance? Come to think of it, what has the feed been getting on 5* anyway? Has to be higher than the 5* average if they have even considered more feed.

Apparently yes


I do hope they manage to get more

Brilliant. Do you mind if I post this as a thread on the MF because I know a lot of people would be interested in even the tiniest possibility of more feed?

thats good news but we have been told this many times over that the feed did the job and that Smith was looking at feed going on MTV.
I guess when your back is up against the wall and the wall is crumbling down desperate measures are needed…….

I think that once it gets down to details like that, the difference isn't very significant, but I'm happy to accept that CBB15 was the most successful, in ratings terms, on C5.

Unfortunately, it's not a series I'd like to see emulated. I wouldn't want CBB13, with it's Davidson - Nolan story line taking up so much of the time, to be emulated either. I greatly preferred the Busey CBB that came in between them.


I think that both Davidson and Hopkins are well known enough, and controversial enough, or have enough 'fans', to bring in viewers who wouldn't normally have watched CBB. I think that's the key to such success, but I wish it could be done with characters less unsavoury and without having to have the focus on them so much of the time.

Not to me. I thought that was easily the worst live show this far. But it seems that Janice will be seen as great, hilarious entertainment at the slightest opportunity. That's one of the reasons why I didn't want her in CBB, because it will start distorting everything (as the presence of a "favourite" often does).

On the other hand, some of the other live shows have been good enough that I'd have liked them to be longer.

This series has the potential to be very good live, if the likes of Farrah and Jenna are eliminated.

I have no idea why people still find Gogglebox appealing.
I thought it was great the first series. But its the sort of show which completely loses its novelty after a short time.
I find it pretty unbearable now, and if my friend who worked on the show is to be believed - it has become heavily scripted.
It certainly does not deserve more viewers than CBB.

Big drop, last night got 1.39m incl +1.

Not good! Damn, I wanted it to stay in the 1.6m region to get close to the 2m official.

Wow, so much for the slight rise I predicted

Guess the first nominations and the start of the shopping task didn't hook people in as expected

Could go either way tonight as there is international football on

I was with you before the final sentence. Bad though Gogglebox may be poor tv (it's always seemed a derivative and unappealing show to me), it's not at all clear that CBB deserves more viewers.

It may be easier to see the problem from a different perspective:

Does Farrah deserve more viewers than Gogglebox? No!
Does Jenna deserve more viewers than Gogglebox? No!
Does some sort of combination of Farrah and Jenna deserve more? No!
Does Janice? No.
And so on.

This CBB had potential, but it's been squandered by excessive focus on unpleasant people and pointless, irritating arguments. The main relief from that (in what BB's willing to show) has been Chloe-Jasmine and Stevi, but that's unpleasant viewing, and in some ways distressing, in a different way, and Bobby brought it some of the nastiest mind-poisoning I've ever seen in any sort of UK BB.

Indeed, I'm not sure this CBB deserves any viewers at all.


The shopping task might have hooked more viewers if BB had shown it differently.

Though I happened to find the live coverage of the first night of the task incredibly tedious viewing, it at least was a break from the arguments, and plenty of people did like it, a lot, and were breaking out in s and s. But rather than show that side of it in in last night's highlights, BB went with unpleasantness and arguments.

Most people have a very limited appetite for that sort of thing, night after night, especially when BB uses vote-to-save to make it difficult to get rid of the worst HMs, so that viewers know they'll be stuck with them.

Indeed, C5 seems so sure that Farrah is a viewing magnet that they've already broadcast other shows about her.

Would I be right in thinking that Endemol would like more live feed in an ideal world, and that the real barrier to it is Channel 5 and its own scheduling choices?

i think Big Brother is the wrong show for you, you are clearly against any housemates who offer up any sort of controversy - which is exactly what the Channel 5 breed of Big Brother especially thrives on, and that will never change, just what IF Farrah and Jenna are the only ones giving the producers footage worthy of airing and entertaining to the masses? would you rather they cut down their scenes to instead show Gail washing up or Chris engaging in intelligent conversation? That may be interesting to some, but people will switch off. thats just the way it is now.

I'm very sceptical of anything like that from Endemol. It's convenient for Endemol that the broadcaster be blamed for everything, as was happening on C4.

They way Endemol edits, tasks, and twists the show does not suggest a desire for viewers to see things as they really are, 24/7.

Ultimately, it probably is down to C5 that there isn't a bit more live coverage. After all, Endemol doesn't control the scheduling. But I doubt Endemol is really pushing for much more live coverage than we're already getting.

Besides, if C5 gets the blame, C5 should get the credit too: such as the credit for this CBB's increased live coverage. I'm sure people at Endemol would like to get all the credit for things people like, and for C5 to get the blame for things they don't, but Endemol really shouldn't be able to have it that way.

Isn't it annoying that the least manipulated a series is, the lower the ratings are? I expect some ott twist coming in the next week or so

Anything to keep the casual fans on social media happy

As soon they start piping up, the panic button gets pressed and we all saw how quickly the regular series went down the tubes when that happened

Like what happened with the 'most normal in years' HMs in bb16?

Maybe they'll bring Helen and Aisleyne back again. The sorta seemed to work in the summer. Maybe they'll beg Katie Hopkins to pay a visit.

Anyway, I think it was least manipulated because they were relying on the unpleasant HMs creating "drama". They've "crested" it, but perhaps viewers are tired of it, or find it too much the same night after night, or just have other things to do in September.


Are the casual fans complaining now, though, or just not watching?

Not true. Some of my favourite HMs have brought controversy. Besides, Farrah and Jenna aren't even good examples of controversy. Irritating, tedious arguments and bitching sessions aren't controversy, and there's noting especially good about theirs. We've also seen it countless times before on BB and CBB. They're not bringing anything interesting or new.


There's nothing that suggests the footage is that good. If their "footage" is so great, why aren't viewers flocking to the show? Why hasn't social media spread the word so that the audience grows and grows? Why does BB have to use vote-to-save to have any chance of keeping them in? The natural conclusion is that the foot age isn't that worthy of airing or that entertaining -- and that BB knows most viewers will want them out.


Yes, I would rather BB cut down their argument and bitching scenes, and left some of them out completely. I think the problem is excessive focus on unpleasant people and pointless, irritating arguments -- too much time spent on it. BB has the balance wrong, and making the show only for people who like watching so much of that stuff is a mistake. It's tantamount to saying "get lost" to viewers who want anything different.

BB and CBB are capable of attracting a large and diverse audience but doesn't seem to want one.

I'm sure there are alternatives to Gail washing dishes and Chris having interesting conversations, and I even describe one of them in my post: there was a different side to the shopping task that a lot of people enjoyed. But are interesting conversations supposed to be a bad thing now, even if they're actually interesting?

From what smith said
he's going to keep pushing for more live feed.
Frow seems happy with the performance also but did accept its only a small amount.
It does appear Viacom is the block. I did reply to the letter I got on the 3rd of august
basically asking about the 3rd party option which I still think is the best way forward
give out the rights to broadcast a feed to 3rd party. Its not longer a worry for C5/Endemol.

Bit of both I would say

Not as fiercely complaining as they were for the regular series, but then again it has been quieter everywhere for this series both on forums and social media

Starting to think if it's really worth having a summer CBB, the interest is barely there for anyone at the moment and as Salv said, we can expect some sort of OTT twist very soon if things don't improve