I am talking in regards to the death of Dennis.

The whole Sharon getting her revenge on Phil lasted 5 minutes, why bring Marcus Christie back etc for Sharon to suddenly change her mind and go back to being Ma Mitchell.

I would like to think that a huge twist is coming where Sharon has been carefully working behind the scenes to destroy Phil.

Then again... Knowing EE and their obsession to erase anybody or anything that remotely related to Den Watt's... Maybe Sharon is now a doormat.

But I just don't buy that she shares a bed with Phil and loves him, i can not see how that can be real? There has to be (I hope) a twist coming eventually

I think the moment has passed sadly. **** knows why they introduced that particular plot strand if they were going to do nothing with it.

Talk about character assassination. I don't think the current team are imaginative enough.

This is why despite enjoying her scenes I can't buy Sharon as Ma Mitchell. Bullshit!

I don't think she does love Phil in a romantic sense. However, both her parents are dead, her husband was murdered and her half sister lives on the other side of the world. I think Sharon is extremely lonely and takes relish in the stability Phil gives her. With Phils family living so close Sharon had a good support network for her and her son.

She settled for Jesse Birdsall and Jack Branning because she was desperate for that stability and a father figure for Denn. But both of those relationships failed because she couldn't ultimately give them what they wanted, herself.

I don't think she feels any guilt for being with Phil but not being madly in love with him. Primarily because he has always made it abundantly clear that he will do anything for her. He is her knight in shining armour. He does lie and does try to control her and she occasionally has to put him in her place but I feel she is too scared of rocking the boat too much because she doesn't want to be on her own again.

This. Great post Scrabbler.

I have it on good authority that Steve McFadden plays Phil.

Thanks

DTC is no good at finishing off storylines. Sharon's revenge was gearing up to be epic but then it just collapsed and was replaced with silly Shirley shooting Phil. I think the moment has passed. Phil and Sharon are together now whether it's true love or not. To be blunt, Dennis is dead and buried. Any revenge Sharon would have enacted against Phil would only have been short term anyway. Phil is one of the main characters and isn't going anywhere. Sharon was aimless before she got back with Phil. Now she has a purpose and is more or less back to her old self. I'd take that over revenge for Dennis any day of the week. I think people forget Sharon and Phil have decades of on screen history. Dennis was only around for a couple of years. Why throw away Phil and Sharon's relationship for a long dead character who only lasted 5 minutes? It doesn't benefit the characters or the show in any way. The revenge plot was crap but it's time to move on.

I loved Dennis but I loved Sharon and Phil, together or apart, long before he came along and I still love them now. To be fair to Phil, Dennis would still be alive if he hadn't thrown the phone to Johnny Allen. Chances are he'd be in prison for murder too. Phil was wrong to wind him up and set him loose but Dennis made the dumb decision to beat Johnny Allen half to death and then give him an opportunity to have him killed.

I concur. It does make sense that way.

I understand that point of view but my main bugbear is the damage done to the characterization of Sharon as opposed to Dennis v Phil. Best not to reveal it at all if they had no idea what to do with it.

I agree with this. But that's DTC's way. I don't like it either to be honest. He never seems to think things through.

When I think of Phil and Sharon I think of them more as friends. I remember that 2 hander they had in 2002 and that was their relationship in a nutshell. They're great friends but Phil loves himself more than he could ever love anyone else. Sharon longs for the stability of a family and Phil provides that. She does love him but we all know Grant and Dennis were her true loves.

Now would be a great time for Sharon to sweep in and take control. Phil hasn't had a good year, he lost the family a lot of cash and half on one of ther businesses. He gave evidence that incriminated Ben and Jay to the police, manipulated Ab and his actions caused Lola to flee which upset Billy. Sharon has been his rock through all this, but it would be fab if Sharon manipulated events to gain control of the businesses and the family. That way we would get the old Sharon back.

Yes you're right. I've been thinking with everyone suddenly turning on Phil that they were in fact headlining either some reveal that actually Sharon has been working away behind the scenes and puts the final boot in now or that Phil maybe falls off the wagon in his despair and Sharon ends up taking control of everything.

It seemed so completely weird and out of character for Phil to take evidence to the police condemning Ben but still I thought it would all be swept under the carpet like these things often are and Phil forgiven like he always is when Ben got out but instead we've had Roxy turn on Phil, Jay and Billy wash their hands of him and even the very needy Ben has given up on him.

Something is clearly going to happen and it would be nice to see Sharon come out on top.

Spot on


Phil will always put himself first before anyone else, there a hierarchy to who comes first and he at the top.

I agree about Sharon need for stability, she had so much tragedy happen in her life, she always striving to find a stable ground, tbh it not much difference from Ian's own need for it, it's why he married so many woman over the years!, she been a lone wolf for good chunks of her life, even though I would never call Phil the image of stability, he supplies familiarity and a sense of misguided security for her, I think she loves him but she not in love with him like Grant or Dennis, it not that unusual a lot people do settle for that instead of going after the greats loves.

Yes, I can see that point of view. I just wish she had done some proper damage to him so the story was explored in full. They could even re unite eventually. No matter what else the current lot in charge do, it won't be as underwhelming as Sharon's 'revenge'. Trading punches with Richard Blackwood or that ridiculous Arches plot with Max are very very poor substitutes. Oh well.

I would bloody love that! Can't see it happening though. Great posts Trevor and Harlowe. I won't quote everyone on the thread but you all make good points.

This is what I wanted too but sadly DTC didn't agree

I hope from here on out Sharon will be on equal footing with Phil. I don't know what's going to happen when Kathy and Gavin return but Phil must be keeping Kathy away and keeping Sharon from finding Gavin for a good reason. This will either make them stronger or destroy them

I believe Sharon loves Phil but she will always love Grant and Dennis more than Phil. I'm not that fussed on them now but they have so much history together. I can't see Sharon and Phil splitting up when Kathy comes back because I believe that Kathy's return will make them stronger than before. Not initially but eventually. Sharon has so much history with the Mitchells so I can't see them keeping her away from them.

I do miss independent Sharon - she was one of the strongest female characters ever.

I also think Phil is protecting Sharon from Gavin so maybe she realises that Gavin will be bad news soon and Phil was trying to look out for Sharon. Just speculation.

The only way I could see Kathy reuniting with Phil is if Sharon leaves. The writers aren't going to make Kathy the matriarch of the Beales and the Mitchells. It would be too much. Sharon works a lot better with the Mitchells than Kathy ever did. Kathy went downhill with the Mitchells whereas Sharon got even better. I do miss independent Sharon though. Her character was at its best during the aftermath of Sharongate (exit included) and when she first came back in 2001. I'd love to see her get back to that.

Bloody DTC! I hope these last few years can be written off as her grieving years so she does resurrect once more. The best thing they did with Kat was the line of dialogue when she said she had no idea why she went with disgusting Derek. I would love a Phelps episode where Sharon reflects on the utter mess her life has been and recognizes her mistakes. (I'm not saying Phil and Derek are the same, just that both Sharon and Kat made dubious decisions).

I agree, independent Sharon works so much better.

If we're right in thinking that Gavin is her father and Phil hasn't been honest with her about it, then she's going to look like a doormat again. Even if he is protecting her she should still be angry about the deception and he had no such excuse for having her beaten up, the affair with Shirley, and giving The Albert away.

Phil is indirectly responsible for Dennis's death. Sharon trusted him and he broke that trust which led to Dennis's death. It's a massive betrayal however you look at it and she was wrong to trust him.

The only reason she didn't tell Dennis about Johnny's threat is because he was her partner and she knew he'd go after Johnny. She was protecting him. She thought Phil - as a friend only - would be more objective. She didn't expect him to stir things. That whole thing was bizarre. Phil hadn't shown any interest in Sharon in years, then suddenly he's desperate to stop her from going back to America.

No I don't think she is playing Phil.

Phil never meant for Sharon to get hurt in The Albert, he had an affair with Shirley because he thought Sharon was leaving him and he was angry that Sharon was stealing money from him. He gave The Albert away because Vincent said he would leave the Mitchells alone if he gets ownership of The Albert. Phil felt so bad when he signed away The Albert. When Sharon went back inside, he sadly looked at The Albert and knew he had to sign it to Vincent. Phil is not a monster and he makes lots of terrible decisions but he does show a lot of remorse.