Steve McFadden was trembling with the exertion. His jowls were wobbling. I'm sorry but I don't believe for a minute that Phil would be able to batter Vincent like that! I'm really peed off with this. Yes there are older men (ie Terry Adams) who can still strike terror into people but I don't buy Phil Mitchell beating up Vincent who clearly works out and is a criminal himself so should be able to fight. OK Phil works in the garage but so has Jay worked there and he's got no muscle at all! What with little Bobby killing someone with a wooden jewellery box and the never ending Big Bad Phil saga I just despair with EE!
Maybe one day Sharon will hit Phil over the head with a frying pan / rolling pin while he is asleep and will finally, finally kill him off! I would love someone to finish Phil Mitchell off once and for all! Imagine if IAN does the deed after years of Phil bullying him! OK they get on better now but I'm past caring who kills Mitchell so long as someone does! Even Billy!

I thought it was hilarious..

The working class folk loved seeing "classic thug phil mitchell" back !!
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/e...c-phil-6188632

Phil caught him by surprise. If Vincent had known about it he'd have been ready but that was the reason he did it that way. His plan was to catch him by surprise and put everything he had into the beating in the hope that it scared Vincent but that doesn't work because isn't scared of Phil.

Yes Buster was peed off because Vincent sacked him, hopefully this is leading to Buster working on the car lot.

I consider myself working class, (my mum was a school dinner lady) and Phil Mitchell gets right on my nerves. Other than the number of shares of the article the Mirror got which was a fair number, their info came from twitter which could come from any fans of any class. All sorts of people watch soaps. I can't wait for Vincent to get his revenge on Phil but having thought about it I want Vincent to be clever about it. If they just have endless punch ups it will get boring. Someone has to bring Phil down eventually and I want it to be Vincent.

What does class have to do with anything? I really doubt everyone who is working class reads that paper or loves Phil, I certainly don't do either.

To be honest it wasn't that unrealistic the way Phil beat up Vincent as after all Vincent was not expecting Phil to punch him so it is not too unrealistic that Vincent fell to the floor as after all Phil has a long history of violence and he use to be a boxer in his younger days so he should know how to pack a punch. Granted Phil is not the fighter he once was but just because he is in his 50's it doesn't mean that he has lost all his fighting abilities. Once Phil had Vincent on the floor he clearly had the upper hand and Vincent no doubt would of been dazed and shocked so it is not that unlikely that on this occasion he couldn't fight back and Phil continued to attack him.

It would of been unrealistic if Phil had beaten up Vincent in a straight one on one fight were the sucker punch wasn't used as Vincent is clearly younger and fitter than Phil and could easily beat Phil nowadays as shown in there previous fight in the Car Lot as Phil punch on that occasion had little impact on Vincent and he easily blocked it and got the better of Phil on that occasion. People saying Phil wouldn't use violence against Vincent after the first fight are forgetting that violence is the only way Phil knows how to deal with situations, he has used violence most of his life to get out of situations so it would be out of character for him to change the habit of a lifetime.

Phil although it could be argued was cowardly in there second fight was actually more cunning than he was on the first occasion he had a fight against Vincent from his point of view. Phil didn't make the same mistake twice as he knew the sucker punch was the only way he could now realistically beat Vincent. It will be interesting to see how the next fight between these two turns out and what Vincent has in store as this feud is just beginning.

Phil took Vincent by suprise, and then kicked him when he fell, any other time Vincent would of killed Phil lol, oh and Phil isnt fat.

I have a feeling Vincent will seduce Sharon. That will be his way of hitting Phil where it would hurt most : his faaamilyyy. I don't think Vincent would kidnap or hurt Sharon to get at Phil but he very well could try and take his wife off him as a lover. I can see Vincent dropping Kim if he could take Sharon from Phil and run The Albert with her without any input from Phil. He doesn't completely respect Kim and it wouldn't be a massive leap to have an affair with Phil's wife if Sharon was willing. This could also be her revenge on Phil finally

I agree with you regards to Phil being over 50, has no relevance on whether he can punch, fight etc, considering how much younger we're all getting these days....

HOWEVER!

It's not just that Phil is over 50, but he doesn't exercise, doesn't eat well, is an alcoholic, a former drug addict, posters are saying he's not fat, ok, though he's not slim and toned is he! Plus he's very short, and Vincent is taller than him.

Plus the fact that Vincent is meant to be a bit of a villian, a fighter etc, younger obviously than Phil, yet once again the producers see fit to make sure that no man exists on the square that'll ever beat the great Phil Mitchell!

I personally felt it was cleverly done, it wasn't an act of pure strength it was a surprise attack and I really don't like Vincent so I am quite glad Phil got the upper hand

Phil has just become a parody of an EE villian. It's a joke but it seems to satisfy a hard core of Mitchell fans. The mistake with Phil was made decades ago. He should have had two boys who grew to be the next Grant and Phil. Playing an old man fixer with young fit guys doing the dirty work. DTC is sort of trying with Ben and Jay but they're just not intelligent or mean enough to do what Phil does.

I thought it was fine - especially the way they showed how much it had taken out of Phil. He's not the young hard man anymore and showing him out of breath and physically drained after was making that clear. He caught Vincent by surprise - that was another important thing. Also, I've always got the impression that Vincent has often had others to do a lot of his dirty work for him - and hasn't generally been the one going around dishing out the violence - where Phil was always happy to do his own fighting. That could be a small factor.

Agreed. We've never seen Phil lifting weights or doing any sort of sporty exercise. Having seen Richard Blackwood topless he's very, very fit and muscular so his character Vincent will be fit and strong. As I said on another thread he is a villain I agree with you so Vincent will be used to handling himself in a fight. He can get a gun to order so is well connected with people used to violence. Phil looks unhealthy (sorry Steve McFadden) compared to Vincent. I don't want Ronnie and Vincent to get into a love / sex thing as I want Vincent to "take" Sharon away from Phil. This would give the longer running characters a new dynamic.

Agree with this. Before watching the scene I wasn't expecting much from it, but from how they presented it I thought that it was plausible that Phil could catch Vincent off guard, get a few good kicks in, and be physically drained afterwards.

I actually thought the guy playing Vincent was late 20's or early 30's. Didn't know he was supposed to be in his 40's... Looks much younger than his years.

I'm agnostic about this really. I do think it's pretty ridiculous that Phil an aging ex-alcoholic and crack addict with a dodgy ticker, would still be ruling the Square like this and taking on younger, fitter guy's.

On other hand, it's clear most of the fan's love is cause it harkens back to the "golden era" when Phil and Grant really did rule the roost.

Clearly the era of King Phil must be drawing to an end though... I can't see how TPTB can keep him King of the Square much longer and it not become beyond parody... This might even be the last time we really see Phil taking on an adversary like this.

If you ask me Phil played the smart card, he set off the alarm to get Vincent attention, Vincent checks it out as Phil hides knowing full well Vincent can take him if he seen, Vincent comes out and bobs your uncle, Phil throws a punch with power to the jaw which is going to realistic force someone head to turn. Then while he down Phil took full advantage, it call outwitting your opponent, Phil might appear stupid but it well known that he was the smarter of the brothers in the first place. Justice was served but yes I think it start of long road.

I would love someone to get the better of Phil for a change.

It was an awful scene. It was pathetic. Up there with the awful scenes Steve did when his character was drunk and high on crack. Steve is a good actor but certain things he has done over the years on EE are worth bowing his head in shame.

I agree i dont understand how it was unrealistic phil caught him off guard and dropped him. That can happen to anyone if they get hit off guard. I understand phil is 50 and compared to vincent out of shape but muscles dont win fights but using your brain does. Phil tried taking vincent 1 on 1 before i thought the writers made it pretty clear phils past it physically because he had to be clever to beat vincent up and he was breathing heavily after. Plus people like phil who have always fought all there lifes are not suddenly going to turn 50 and forget how to punch, yes at 50 he might be slower ducking or throwing a punch but that doesnt mean if he punches someone on the sly he wont knock them out. Also, vincent looked bad after he was struggling to get up although he looked fine at the end of the episode.

Not sure if you typed the wrong word by mistake, but if you meant to put "agnostic..." well, that's not what it means. "Ambivalent" would be a suitable word.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/de...glish/agnostic

I totally agree with your point, though.

There's a reason why Phil sneaked him. There first fight started with Phil throwing a punch and ended with Vincent countering him crisply. Phil learned from his experience: the second time around he waited in the shadows and punched an unsuspecting Vincent.

There's nothing unrealistic about someone getting dropped by a punch they did not see coming. However the belief that it is not possible is why so many bullies do not get their comeuppance. Bullies rely on creating the aura of invincibility that deters individuals dropping them when the opportunity presents itself.

Vincent's song is...

Give me sunshine,
In my life,
I'll destroy Philth in a fight,

I will cull this Mitchell,
Till his ticker is all done,

The square's mine,
With one crime,
Let there be love,

When this was happening all I could focus on was the drink price board, what a con!

Hahaha yes he was..... He couldn't even talk at the end! Lol