Originally Posted by jimmy_reed:
“Cilla Was BETTER than Dusty”
“Cilla Was BETTER than Dusty”
Blasphemy.
Cilla for No 1?
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Originally Posted by jimmy_reed:
“Cilla Was BETTER than Dusty”
“Cilla Was BETTER than Dusty”
ha ha ha ha ha!!
As for getting to #1 in the new chart today Anyone Who Had A Heart lands just outside the Top 40 at Number 41.
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“She really wasn't.”
“She really wasn't.”
As a youngster growing up in the 60s I preferred Cilla Black to Dusty Springfield. It doesn't make her a technically better singer than Dusty Springfield, but she had something.
I just don't think people took her seriously as a singer after she moved into light entertainment and her career became more personality driven.
Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“As a youngster growing up in the 60s I preferred Cilla Black to Dusty Springfield. It doesn't make her a technically better singer than Dusty Springfield, but she had something.
I just don't think people took her seriously as a singer after she moved into light entertainment and her career became more personality driven.”
“As a youngster growing up in the 60s I preferred Cilla Black to Dusty Springfield. It doesn't make her a technically better singer than Dusty Springfield, but she had something.
I just don't think people took her seriously as a singer after she moved into light entertainment and her career became more personality driven.”
Oh come on... she wasn't taken seriously as a singer before she moved into light entertainment.
Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“As a youngster growing up in the 60s I preferred Cilla Black to Dusty Springfield. It doesn't make her a technically better singer than Dusty Springfield, but she had something.
I just don't think people took her seriously as a singer after she moved into light entertainment and her career became more personality driven.”
“As a youngster growing up in the 60s I preferred Cilla Black to Dusty Springfield. It doesn't make her a technically better singer than Dusty Springfield, but she had something.
I just don't think people took her seriously as a singer after she moved into light entertainment and her career became more personality driven.”
I was a teenager during the 60s and I just never took to her. There were so many other great singers and groups around that she was never on my radar. She always seemed to do covers of other great female singers eg Dionne Warwick. I could never understand her popularity because her voice used to pierce my eardrums.
Dusty Springfield had a much more soulful voice whereas Cilla's was coarse and screechy.
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“I was a teenager during the 60s and I just never took to her. There were so many other great singers and groups around that she was never on my radar. She always seemed to do covers of other great female singers eg Dionne Warwick. I could never understand her popularity because her voice used to pierce my eardrums.
Dusty Springfield had a much more soulful voice whereas Cilla's was coarse and screechy.”
“I was a teenager during the 60s and I just never took to her. There were so many other great singers and groups around that she was never on my radar. She always seemed to do covers of other great female singers eg Dionne Warwick. I could never understand her popularity because her voice used to pierce my eardrums.
Dusty Springfield had a much more soulful voice whereas Cilla's was coarse and screechy.”
I did like some of Dusty Springfield's records, but never went out and bought any of her albums or singles. maybe she was a bit too grown up for me at the time. I loved Dionne Warwick's unique soulful heartbreaking sound too - But it would be Cilla that I'd be singing along to with my hairbrush
Sandie Shaw too 
Originally Posted by floog:
“The Charts aren't relevant anymore. Who cares.”
“The Charts aren't relevant anymore. Who cares.”
Judging by the list of creatures who 'like' the OCC FB page, mainly homosexual non-Brits with names that would score above 50 in Scrabble.
Charts are irrelevant these days anyway. Genuine appreciators/ lovers of music wouldn't have an iota of interest in what Radio 1 listeners download/stream because the lead singer is physically attractive or the 'choon' sounds 'wicked' played at a deafening volume.
Originally Posted by vauxhall1964:
“Oh come on... she wasn't taken seriously as a singer before she moved into light entertainment.”
“Oh come on... she wasn't taken seriously as a singer before she moved into light entertainment.”
I'm not a fan of Cilla at all - but before she had her nose job - she had a brilliant voice - or rather - I preferred her version of songs. She was different. After her nose job of course - her voice went all weak and reedy - which is why she had to reinvent herself as a TV personality. Vanity ruined one of the best voices in pop.
And yes - I'm one of those who preferred her (pre-nose-job) voice to Dusty Springfield's.
As a person though I didn't entirely warm to Cilla at all.
Originally Posted by sheila blige:
“I'm not a fan of Cilla at all - but before she had her nose job - she had a brilliant voice - or rather - I preferred her version of songs. She was different. After her nose job of course - her voice went all weak and reedy - which is why she had to reinvent herself as a TV personality. Vanity ruined one of the best voices in pop.
And yes - I'm one of those who preferred her (pre-nose-job) voice to Dusty Springfield's.
As a person though I didn't entirely warm to Cilla at all.”
“I'm not a fan of Cilla at all - but before she had her nose job - she had a brilliant voice - or rather - I preferred her version of songs. She was different. After her nose job of course - her voice went all weak and reedy - which is why she had to reinvent herself as a TV personality. Vanity ruined one of the best voices in pop.
And yes - I'm one of those who preferred her (pre-nose-job) voice to Dusty Springfield's.
As a person though I didn't entirely warm to Cilla at all.”
I think I'm on the same page as you. After she had her nose job, had her teeth fixed and changed her hairstyle she looked and sounded like a different person.
Brian Epstein was responsible for steering her towards a career in TV. He didn't think a pop career could last and maybe he was right in her case. I really didn't think of her as a singer once the 60s were over.
Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“I think I'm on the same page as you. After she had her nose job, had her teeth fixed and changed her hairstyle she looked and sounded like a different person.
Brian Epstein was responsible for steering her towards a career in TV. He didn't think a pop career could last and maybe he was right in her case. I really didn't think of her as a singer once the 60s were over.”
“I think I'm on the same page as you. After she had her nose job, had her teeth fixed and changed her hairstyle she looked and sounded like a different person.
Brian Epstein was responsible for steering her towards a career in TV. He didn't think a pop career could last and maybe he was right in her case. I really didn't think of her as a singer once the 60s were over.”
He was right, it didn't last, she didn't come close to having another top ten hit after 1971. Eight years isn't too bad in the pop world, but it wasn't long-running like some people claim it was. It's a good thing her latter TV career worked out because she was washed up by the early-1980s.
Originally Posted by Thorney:
“I think you can trace this back to Princess Diana and 'Candle In The Wind' its not that modern a concept. I don't agree with it personally if you liked her before you should have bought her music but sometimes it gives you a kick that you need to realize how important somebody was like when Kurt Cobain died or Amy Winehouse, their legacy grew stronger and Cilla was important, not a fan mind you.
And as usual the only people who think charts are irrelevant are people to are no longer interested in pop music to kids they still matter maybe not chart positions as such but being number one still means something. The charts are slow but if anything they are more relevant than they have ever been as they actually reflect what people listen to as well as buy, not just a hyped 99p singles like in the late 90s or being able to chart selling 500 copies like in the mid 00s. Cilla wont get to number one without streaming and that means people will have to listen to her not just buy it out of sympathy.”
“I think you can trace this back to Princess Diana and 'Candle In The Wind' its not that modern a concept. I don't agree with it personally if you liked her before you should have bought her music but sometimes it gives you a kick that you need to realize how important somebody was like when Kurt Cobain died or Amy Winehouse, their legacy grew stronger and Cilla was important, not a fan mind you.
And as usual the only people who think charts are irrelevant are people to are no longer interested in pop music to kids they still matter maybe not chart positions as such but being number one still means something. The charts are slow but if anything they are more relevant than they have ever been as they actually reflect what people listen to as well as buy, not just a hyped 99p singles like in the late 90s or being able to chart selling 500 copies like in the mid 00s. Cilla wont get to number one without streaming and that means people will have to listen to her not just buy it out of sympathy.”
You can go back a lot further than 1997 and Elton. Way back to 1959 when Buddy Holly died and then It Doesn't Matter Anymore went to No1 in the charts, his only UK No1 hit just after he passed. Then a year later Eddie Cochrane was killed in a car crash and the apt Three Steps To Heaven made No1, his only chart topper from 1960. So many other examples since those days, the obvious Elvis in 1977 and Lennon three times in 1980/81 after their passings. In early 2002 there was even consecutive No1 hits by two recently deceased people, George Harrison and then Aaliyah, the only example of two consecutive No1's by different posthumous artists.
Other big names like Roy Orbison scored his first hit single in nearly 20 years when he passed and You Got It went top three in early 1989. The real surprise to me was that Michael Jackson never had a posthumous No1 single in 2009 considering he was as big as it gets, although his album topped the charts for weeks on end that summer. His old singles peppered throughout the charts with Man In The Mirror hitting No2, a song that had originally not even made the top twenty in 1988 astonishingly.
For those types who want to make Cilla No1 then I'd suggest the best track to get buying or streaming to is not the boringly obvious one but her later 1969 top three single Surround Yourself With Sorrow.
Why do people have to wait for the singer to die before they buy their music? I've never understood it.
Originally Posted by JohnnyForget:
“Blasphemy.”
“Blasphemy.”
Everyone's entitled to their opinion but Dusty is sublime
Originally Posted by jimmy_reed:
“Cilla Was BETTER than Dusty”
“Cilla Was BETTER than Dusty”
I disagree. There was a reason why Dusty's music career lasted longer and why even today, she is still highly regarded, respected and influential. All down to opinion though.
Originally Posted by dd68:
“Why do people have to wait for the singer to die before they buy their music? I've never understood it.”
“Why do people have to wait for the singer to die before they buy their music? I've never understood it.”
To be fair, Cilla's music career was a while ago so a younger generation are discovering she was a singer. I grew up with Cilla as a television star, not as a singer. I had no idea she even a singer myself unti about 6 years ago.
Originally Posted by Scraggy Taters:
“Cilla Black had the vocal talent of a bucket of stones being rattled.”
“Cilla Black had the vocal talent of a bucket of stones being rattled.”
Agreed, she was an appalling singer. Why do people make out she was better than she was just because she died?
Originally Posted by little-monster:
“I disagree. There was a reason why Dusty's music career lasted longer and why even today, she is still highly regarded, respected and influential. All down to opinion though.”
“I disagree. There was a reason why Dusty's music career lasted longer and why even today, she is still highly regarded, respected and influential. All down to opinion though.”
To put things into perspective Dusty Springfield was a fantastic singer...the first white lady of soul as she was frequently dubbed. With the possible exception of Elkie Brooks who wasn't so well known then Dusty was head and shoulders above any of the female Brit pop singers of the 60s, In the States many who heard her before they saw her assumed she was a black singer. With all due respect to Cilla, she could only dream of being half as good a singer as Dusty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z28gt8wBNo
Originally Posted by FrankBT:
“To put things into perspective Dusty Springfield was a fantastic singer...the first white lady of soul as she was frequently dubbed. With the possible exception of Elkie Brooks who wasn't so well known then Dusty was head and shoulders above any of the female Brit pop singers of the 60s, In the States many who heard her before they saw her assumed she was a black singer. With all due respect to Cilla, she could only dream of being half as good a singer as Dusty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z28gt8wBNo”
“To put things into perspective Dusty Springfield was a fantastic singer...the first white lady of soul as she was frequently dubbed. With the possible exception of Elkie Brooks who wasn't so well known then Dusty was head and shoulders above any of the female Brit pop singers of the 60s, In the States many who heard her before they saw her assumed she was a black singer. With all due respect to Cilla, she could only dream of being half as good a singer as Dusty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z28gt8wBNo”
I loved Elkie Brooks too.
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