Don't like DTC work one bit!!
EE: Matt Di Angelo extends his contract for another 12 months
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Originally Posted by Acejr200:
“I disagree, in fact I view all of deans misfortunes as karma for his actions. I revel in seeing him hurt, alone and pushed out. It certainly doesn't make me feel sorry for him. I see it as his just desserts. He deserves much more misery if you ask me but I'm hoping that will come in time. I like the approach the writers have taken, rather than punishing him through the law, which is highly unrealistic in terms of rape conviction rates, they are making him suffer in everyday life.”
“I disagree, in fact I view all of deans misfortunes as karma for his actions. I revel in seeing him hurt, alone and pushed out. It certainly doesn't make me feel sorry for him. I see it as his just desserts. He deserves much more misery if you ask me but I'm hoping that will come in time. I like the approach the writers have taken, rather than punishing him through the law, which is highly unrealistic in terms of rape conviction rates, they are making him suffer in everyday life.”
Excellent post.
Linda is back at the heart of her family with a beautiful baby. It's not forgotten but she is picking up the pieces as best she can and moving on. Dean is an outsider in the Square. Folks are having to deal/work with him but he is not some fun / happy character. Roxy would not admit to being with him due to reaction of family and friends.
I think Dean should of gone down for the rape how can DTC give him a new contract and let his character carry on?
Originally Posted by FruityLoopy:
“Matt has a very high opinion of himself. In several recent interviews he has tried to imply he is now the leading male of the soap which really is laughable and if DTC told him that then its a sign the show is heading into another crisis.”
“Matt has a very high opinion of himself. In several recent interviews he has tried to imply he is now the leading male of the soap which really is laughable and if DTC told him that then its a sign the show is heading into another crisis.”
Que?? I haven't read the REMOTEST hint that Matt thinks he's the or even a leading character in ANY of the interviews he's done!!
I literally don't understand how anyone reading that interview can come to that conclusion!
Dean is a BIGGER character than he was,undoubtedly. But I don't get how you came to this conclusion.
Originally Posted by Aurora13:
“Excellent post.
Linda is back at the heart of her family with a beautiful baby. It's not forgotten but she is picking up the pieces as best she can and moving on. Dean is an outsider in the Square. Folks are having to deal/work with him but he is not some fun / happy character. Roxy would not admit to being with him due to reaction of family and friends.”
“Excellent post.
Linda is back at the heart of her family with a beautiful baby. It's not forgotten but she is picking up the pieces as best she can and moving on. Dean is an outsider in the Square. Folks are having to deal/work with him but he is not some fun / happy character. Roxy would not admit to being with him due to reaction of family and friends.”
I agree completely, and also enjoy seeing Dean face repeated rejections and disappointments. He's obviously not coping well - he knocked over a cart of supplies in anger yesterday after his FWB dumped him. That's not the sign of a guy who is at peace.
That's why I don't understand posters who are angry about being "forced" to feel sorry for Dean. I feel the opposite - I'm relishing him being miserable. He deserves it.
Originally Posted by wotnot:
“Me too a bit but it is hilarious
And in respect to those who feel Dean is still getting away with it because of his looks, can you by the same merit think it is seemingly ok that Ronnie murdered someone and gets away with it just because he was a horrible character or unattractive? Do you then believe that this sends a message to the world that it's ok to murder people just because they are of poor character or unattractive?
It all sounds very silly doesn't it.
In reality, sadly it's a common occurrence that rapists walk free and if Linda's storyline serves any purpose it should be that she shouldn't have hidden the rape for so long and that there is support out there for victims even when there's little or no evidence.”
“Me too a bit but it is hilarious
And in respect to those who feel Dean is still getting away with it because of his looks, can you by the same merit think it is seemingly ok that Ronnie murdered someone and gets away with it just because he was a horrible character or unattractive? Do you then believe that this sends a message to the world that it's ok to murder people just because they are of poor character or unattractive?
It all sounds very silly doesn't it.
In reality, sadly it's a common occurrence that rapists walk free and if Linda's storyline serves any purpose it should be that she shouldn't have hidden the rape for so long and that there is support out there for victims even when there's little or no evidence.”
Ronnie didn't commit murder. Carl tried to rape her and she slammed the boot on his head. She acted in self-defence.
You made an awful comparison.
Originally Posted by bass55:
“Having a rapist walk free is realistic, I agree. Sadly this happens all too often in real life.
The real problem I have is the presentation of Dean himself. He raped somebody, yet from the way the character is portrayed now you'd think nothing had ever happened. He isn't tortured by what he's done, he's shown no remorse; it's been almost a year and he is yet to acknowledge that he ever did anything wrong.
We now see Dean running his business, trying to get access to his daughter, mourning the loss of his grandfather etc - as if he is just a normal guy. Dean's character hasn't been affected by his crime at all; he got away with it and the writers just expect the audience to accept and it 'move on' because 'it happens in real life'. So what if it happens in real life? Are we supposed to care about the character now because some rapists never get punished and that's just how it is?”
“Having a rapist walk free is realistic, I agree. Sadly this happens all too often in real life.
The real problem I have is the presentation of Dean himself. He raped somebody, yet from the way the character is portrayed now you'd think nothing had ever happened. He isn't tortured by what he's done, he's shown no remorse; it's been almost a year and he is yet to acknowledge that he ever did anything wrong.
We now see Dean running his business, trying to get access to his daughter, mourning the loss of his grandfather etc - as if he is just a normal guy. Dean's character hasn't been affected by his crime at all; he got away with it and the writers just expect the audience to accept and it 'move on' because 'it happens in real life'. So what if it happens in real life? Are we supposed to care about the character now because some rapists never get punished and that's just how it is?”
Unfortunately these story lines are limited by the emotional range and general understanding of the audience. Life is not so convenient that people who commit rape are inhuman in all aspects of their life; they are, at times, the person people share a pint with, the person who cuts someone's hair, the GP, the consoling friend and so on.
The fact that you, and others, are perplexed by him getting on with his life and having issues typically worthy of sympathy is not a fault of Eastenders. People need to learn that the crime and humanity are not mutually exclusive.
You are not supposed to care for the character. The storyline is supposed to give you food for thought. I am actually pleased that they went down this route as opposed to creating a text book villain people can easily point the finger at. The storyline is a good one because it forces people to acknowledge Dean's atrocious acts regardless of any of his more sympathetic character traits, which is a dilemma many people fail to overcome.
Originally Posted by loco_loca:
“Unfortunately these story lines are limited by the emotional range and general understanding of the audience. Life is not so convenient that people who commit rape are inhuman in all aspects of their life; they are, at times, the person people share a pint with, the person who cuts someone's hair, the GP, the consoling friend and so on.
The fact that you, and others, are perplexed by him getting on with his life and having issues typically worthy of sympathy is not a fault of Eastenders. People need to learn that the crime and humanity are not mutually exclusive.
You are not supposed to care for the character. The storyline is supposed to give you food for thought. I am actually pleased that they went down this route as opposed to creating a text book villain people can easily point the finger at. The storyline is a good one because it forces people to acknowledge Dean's atrocious acts regardless of any of his more sympathetic character traits, which is a dilemma many people fail to overcome.”
“Unfortunately these story lines are limited by the emotional range and general understanding of the audience. Life is not so convenient that people who commit rape are inhuman in all aspects of their life; they are, at times, the person people share a pint with, the person who cuts someone's hair, the GP, the consoling friend and so on.
The fact that you, and others, are perplexed by him getting on with his life and having issues typically worthy of sympathy is not a fault of Eastenders. People need to learn that the crime and humanity are not mutually exclusive.
You are not supposed to care for the character. The storyline is supposed to give you food for thought. I am actually pleased that they went down this route as opposed to creating a text book villain people can easily point the finger at. The storyline is a good one because it forces people to acknowledge Dean's atrocious acts regardless of any of his more sympathetic character traits, which is a dilemma many people fail to overcome.”
Oh I see, so it's fault of the viewers for being too "stupid" to understand the complexities of the storyline. Right. It's definitely not the fault of the writers who have no idea where to go with it...
Your argument is undermined by the fact that the storyline was originally planned to end in January when Linda reported the rape to the police. Dean was due to leave the show but for some reason Matt Di Angelo's contract was extended at the last minute, the storyline was hastily rewritten, and they've now delayed Dean facing justice indefinitely. The audience was repeatedly told that Dean would face the consequences for his actions, so we are right to question why this hasn't happened. We now see Dean living a completely normal life, being portrayed as a pretty decent guy by all accounts, despite the fact he has committed an unforgivable crime against a entirely innocent woman.
I completely understand the argument that rapists aren't inhuman in every aspect of their life, and that many unfortunately walk free in real life. But this isn't real life. This is a soap, and it's an unwritten rule of soap that villains must be brought to justice. EastEnders has always had a strong moral code, and every rapist and murderer (except Ronnie, so far) in the show's history has been punished for their actions - what's so special about Dean?
Originally Posted by bass55:
“Oh I see, so it's fault of the viewers for being too "stupid" to understand the complexities of the storyline. Right. It's definitely not the fault of the writers who have no idea where to go with it...”
“Oh I see, so it's fault of the viewers for being too "stupid" to understand the complexities of the storyline. Right. It's definitely not the fault of the writers who have no idea where to go with it...”
I would not phrase it like that. I do not necessarily think people with a small emotional range, and minimal understanding on certain matters, are stupid. However the last part is partially correct: it is not the fault of the writers but I believe it is incorrect to assume they have no idea where they are going.
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“Your argument is undermined by the fact that the storyline was originally planned to end in January when Linda reported the rape to the police. Dean was due to leave the show but for some reason Matt Di Angelo's contract was extended at the last minute, the storyline was hastily rewritten, and they've now delayed Dean facing justice indefinitely. The audience was repeatedly told that Dean would face the consequences for his actions, so we are right to question why this hasn't happened. We now see Dean living a completely normal life, being portrayed as a pretty decent guy by all accounts, despite the fact he has committed an unforgivable crime against a entirely innocent woman. ”
“Your argument is undermined by the fact that the storyline was originally planned to end in January when Linda reported the rape to the police. Dean was due to leave the show but for some reason Matt Di Angelo's contract was extended at the last minute, the storyline was hastily rewritten, and they've now delayed Dean facing justice indefinitely. The audience was repeatedly told that Dean would face the consequences for his actions, so we are right to question why this hasn't happened. We now see Dean living a completely normal life, being portrayed as a pretty decent guy by all accounts, despite the fact he has committed an unforgivable crime against a entirely innocent woman. ”
That does not undermine my argument. I would question the legitimacy of your assertions but they are irrelevant as they have no bearing on the legitimacy of the story presented to the audience. Regardless of whether it was something they planned or something they decided by whim, the fact of the matter is numerous rapists live completely normal lives, some rapists never get their comeuppance and go on to rape again, and some rapists are even liked by people who cannot believe they would commit such a crime.
Rather than complain about the writers, have some consideration for the numerous people in Linda's position.
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“I completely understand the argument that rapists aren't inhuman in every aspect of their life, and that many unfortunately walk free in real life. But this isn't real life. This is a soap, and it's an unwritten rule of soaps that villains must be brought to justice. Every rapist and murderer (except Ronnie, so far) in the show's history has been punished for their actions - what's so special about Dean?”
“I completely understand the argument that rapists aren't inhuman in every aspect of their life, and that many unfortunately walk free in real life. But this isn't real life. This is a soap, and it's an unwritten rule of soaps that villains must be brought to justice. Every rapist and murderer (except Ronnie, so far) in the show's history has been punished for their actions - what's so special about Dean?”
Soap opera: a television or radio drama serial dealing typically with daily events in the lives of the same group of characters.
How long are people going to use ''this is a soap" as a crutch for the realistic depiction of a rape? It is a soap opera grounded in realism. There's a reason why Eastenders consults the relevant charities when tackling certain subjects and that is to handle the stories with respect and authenticity.
I have noticed that people do not like to be challenged. When you have your typical rapists, there is not much to think about: people root against and celebrate their inevitable demise. When you have a rapists like Dean, it puts people into a situation where they have to question how they would respond if someone they were fond of was accused of such a crime.
Dean will eventually be brought to justice but I think it will occur after he has raped again. I think that's the tragedy the storyline is bringing to light: that as much as rape is a violation of another person security, it is also a violation and perversion of the trust humans naturally confer to one another.
Also, Ronnie is not a murderer. As I said before, Carl tried to rape her and she attacked him in self-defence. If the matter went to court, and the jury believed what actually happened, she would be found not guilty. I think people's inability to understand that is why the 12 person jury should be reconsidered: unfortunately too many people find themselves unable to understand such a serious point.
When Ronnie killed Carl, he had his back turned and was getting something out of the car. She slammed the boot on his head. That's murder.
Originally Posted by dancing.queen:
“When Ronnie killed Carl, he had his back turned and was getting something out of the car. She slammed the boot on his head. That's murder.”
“When Ronnie killed Carl, he had his back turned and was getting something out of the car. She slammed the boot on his head. That's murder.”
No. Self-defence is dependant on what the defendant's genuine belief and whether or not their actions were reasonable.
In this instance: Carl forced himself onto Ronnie, called her good girl, bent forward as his hand blocked her exit path.
Under the circumstances, slamming the car boot on his head was a perfectly reasonable response. Factually he had sexually assaulted her, factually he was still a threat, and if she were to argue that she believed he was going to rape her I would have no difficulty believing her sincerity.
Originally Posted by attitude99:
“Why has DTC promised us a 'Satisfying Conclusion' when he's dragging it out for another year?”
“Why has DTC promised us a 'Satisfying Conclusion' when he's dragging it out for another year?”
Either he's forgotten he said that or, more likely, he's hoping viewers are too stupid to remember he said it.
Originally Posted by bass55:
“Oh I see, so it's fault of the viewers for being too "stupid" to understand the complexities of the storyline. Right. It's definitely not the fault of the writers who have no idea where to go with it...
Your argument is undermined by the fact that the storyline was originally planned to end in January when Linda reported the rape to the police. Dean was due to leave the show but for some reason Matt Di Angelo's contract was extended at the last minute, the storyline was hastily rewritten, and they've now delayed Dean facing justice indefinitely. The audience was repeatedly told that Dean would face the consequences for his actions, so we are right to question why this hasn't happened. We now see Dean living a completely normal life, being portrayed as a pretty decent guy by all accounts, despite the fact he has committed an unforgivable crime against a entirely innocent woman.
I completely understand the argument that rapists aren't inhuman in every aspect of their life, and that many unfortunately walk free in real life. But this isn't real life. This is a soap, and it's an unwritten rule of soap that villains must be brought to justice. EastEnders has always had a strong moral code, and every rapist and murderer (except Ronnie, so far) in the show's history has been punished for their actions - what's so special about Dean?”
“Oh I see, so it's fault of the viewers for being too "stupid" to understand the complexities of the storyline. Right. It's definitely not the fault of the writers who have no idea where to go with it...
Your argument is undermined by the fact that the storyline was originally planned to end in January when Linda reported the rape to the police. Dean was due to leave the show but for some reason Matt Di Angelo's contract was extended at the last minute, the storyline was hastily rewritten, and they've now delayed Dean facing justice indefinitely. The audience was repeatedly told that Dean would face the consequences for his actions, so we are right to question why this hasn't happened. We now see Dean living a completely normal life, being portrayed as a pretty decent guy by all accounts, despite the fact he has committed an unforgivable crime against a entirely innocent woman.
I completely understand the argument that rapists aren't inhuman in every aspect of their life, and that many unfortunately walk free in real life. But this isn't real life. This is a soap, and it's an unwritten rule of soap that villains must be brought to justice. EastEnders has always had a strong moral code, and every rapist and murderer (except Ronnie, so far) in the show's history has been punished for their actions - what's so special about Dean?”
Janine too. Her victims were Michael Moon and possibly Barry Evans as it was an accident but she made no effort to help him.
Originally Posted by NoughtiesMusic:
“Janine too. Her victims were Michael Moon and possibly Barry Evans as it was an accident but she made no effort to help him.”
“Janine too. Her victims were Michael Moon and possibly Barry Evans as it was an accident but she made no effort to help him.”
Agreed. EE and a moral code vis a vis crime is just laughable. Alfie the arsonist another for the list.
Its kinda obvious they are giving him enough emimies on the square for a eventual 'who killed Dean' story
Originally Posted by NoughtiesMusic:
“Janine too. Her victims were Michael Moon and possibly Barry Evans as it was an accident but she made no effort to help him.”
“Janine too. Her victims were Michael Moon and possibly Barry Evans as it was an accident but she made no effort to help him.”
Oh come on, Michael would have killed Janine without a second thought had he grabbed the knife first. And that's before you even consider the only reason the incident took place was because Michael and Alice had planned to murder Janine, before Alice had a change of heart. At the moment Janine stabbed Michael her life was in danger and she defended herself.
There was nothing she could have done about Barry. He fell, and he would have died had she gone to call for help or not. And she did time for it - Pat let Janine get sent down for Laura's murder, knowing she didn't do it, to make Janine pay for what she did to Barry.
Originally Posted by ConnorSams:
“Its kinda obvious they are giving him enough emimies on the square for a eventual 'who killed Dean' story”
“Its kinda obvious they are giving him enough emimies on the square for a eventual 'who killed Dean' story”
I think there's a pretty good chance of this.
Im surprised he is staying so long (I expected him to leave around autumn/Christmas) but as the character is involved in so many plots I'm pleased that he's staying on.
Clearly there is plenty of dramatic mileage left in the character of Dean as TPTB seem to find plenty for him to do.
For the haters-the interview seemed to hint that Matt will probably leave next year (ie Dean will leave around April 2016) & I'm sure DTC has some horrible fate set up for Dean that's as been put on ice for now & will be played out on the run up to his exit
Originally Posted by Aurora13:
“Agreed. EE and a moral code vis a vis crime is just laughable. Alfie the arsonist another for the list.”
“Agreed. EE and a moral code vis a vis crime is just laughable. Alfie the arsonist another for the list.”
Murder has never gone unpunished. Even Stacey eventually went to jail for killing Archie because the writers relised the character couldn't move on with that hanging over her.
The fact that he's staying on makes me wonder if Dean is being turned into a serial rapist. I don't think (?) that has been done before on EE. If that's the case, he won't be punished directly for his rape of Linda, but he might be sent down for another rape, which would mean he'd be punished. That could also be empowering for Linda too, if she ends up testifying about what Dean did to her.
Originally Posted by Maria95:
“So much for the idea of Ronnie finishing off Dean then?”
“So much for the idea of Ronnie finishing off Dean then?”
I really want this to happen haha!
Originally Posted by Sweet_Princess:
“I think Dean should of gone down for the rape how can DTC give him a new contract and let his character carry on?”
“I think Dean should of gone down for the rape how can DTC give him a new contract and let his character carry on?”
Because it's very common for rapists not to be convicted, I have read a few posts from people who have been raped and they are pleased that EE is being realistic and showing what really happens. I'm sure DTC know's what he is doing and has a big exit storyline planned for Dean. The square needs baddies it would be very boring if everyone was lovely.
Originally Posted by demented yoyo:
“Either he's forgotten he said that or, more likely, he's hoping viewers are too stupid to remember he said it.”
“Either he's forgotten he said that or, more likely, he's hoping viewers are too stupid to remember he said it.”
Oh he won't have forgotten.
Originally Posted by ConnorSams:
“Its kinda obvious they are giving him enough emimies on the square for a eventual 'who killed Dean' story”
“Its kinda obvious they are giving him enough emimies on the square for a eventual 'who killed Dean' story”
This is exactly what I think he is planning.
Originally Posted by bass55:
“Murder has never gone unpunished. Even Stacey eventually went to jail for killing Archie because the writers relised the character couldn't move on with that hanging over her.”
“Murder has never gone unpunished. Even Stacey eventually went to jail for killing Archie because the writers relised the character couldn't move on with that hanging over her.”
For a few months and then some contrived story to get her out. Murder forgotten.
Originally Posted by sam_b:
“I read Matt's interview on DS and I'm not impressed. To call Dean the villian of the soap now is absolutely laughable. He wouldn't last 5 minutes with the likes of Phil, Ronnie & even dare I say it Vincent. He's a stupid kid wearing a stupid necklace with a stupid bit of scruff on his neck and a serious attitude problem. As for what he said about murderers and what not free on the square, it's not even close to being the same thing. Fact of the matter is Dean raped Linda, he's shown no remorse for it, doesn't even think he's guilty of it & people are treating him now like he just forgot to pay for a pint in the pub.
You do not even contemplate a rape storyline in the world of media unless the rapist is going to be caught and jailed. Now I know IRL that doesn't always happen and it is disgusting and to me one of the great injustices. But that's why when you have a plaform to educate people, you use it to educate. Use it so that a rape victim feels a little less alone and has the courage to report it to the police. It may be too late to get a conviction like it was in Linda's case, but it's still being reported & you're still taking a course of action. I know why Eastenders couldn't show the rape scene and I wouldn't want the actual action shown anywhere. But to an extent the way they filmed it and the build-up to it did leave it open to interpretation. Even people on here were actually asking if Dean had raped Linda, and people on social media were saying she brought it on herself giving him mixed signals. That's the type of stigma that needs to be erased not egged on. If DTC likes Matt, he should never have been given the storyline. DTC promised justice, there's been nothing. Some people on the square believe Linda, some people don't. We had months of going round in circle, Buster & Shirley sometimes doubting Dean all for that to be erased and brushed under the carpet. It really wouldn't have hurt DTC to have Dean go to prison for a couple of months at least. They've filmed inside prison before if he was desperate to hold onto Matt they could've done it again. Because at least if some sort of concrete action was taking against Dean regardless of whether he'd acknowledge what he did was wrong, the audience wouldn't feel so short changed & it would be justice for the storyline. Honestly the only place that handles rape worse than Eastenders is this gen of Hollyoaks. I'm not interested in bad stuff happening to Dean every now and then. I'm not interested in him going up against Ronnie over Roxy. I'm not interested in his sick kid. I'm not interested in anything to do with Dean because he is a rapist.”
“I read Matt's interview on DS and I'm not impressed. To call Dean the villian of the soap now is absolutely laughable. He wouldn't last 5 minutes with the likes of Phil, Ronnie & even dare I say it Vincent. He's a stupid kid wearing a stupid necklace with a stupid bit of scruff on his neck and a serious attitude problem. As for what he said about murderers and what not free on the square, it's not even close to being the same thing. Fact of the matter is Dean raped Linda, he's shown no remorse for it, doesn't even think he's guilty of it & people are treating him now like he just forgot to pay for a pint in the pub.
You do not even contemplate a rape storyline in the world of media unless the rapist is going to be caught and jailed. Now I know IRL that doesn't always happen and it is disgusting and to me one of the great injustices. But that's why when you have a plaform to educate people, you use it to educate. Use it so that a rape victim feels a little less alone and has the courage to report it to the police. It may be too late to get a conviction like it was in Linda's case, but it's still being reported & you're still taking a course of action. I know why Eastenders couldn't show the rape scene and I wouldn't want the actual action shown anywhere. But to an extent the way they filmed it and the build-up to it did leave it open to interpretation. Even people on here were actually asking if Dean had raped Linda, and people on social media were saying she brought it on herself giving him mixed signals. That's the type of stigma that needs to be erased not egged on. If DTC likes Matt, he should never have been given the storyline. DTC promised justice, there's been nothing. Some people on the square believe Linda, some people don't. We had months of going round in circle, Buster & Shirley sometimes doubting Dean all for that to be erased and brushed under the carpet. It really wouldn't have hurt DTC to have Dean go to prison for a couple of months at least. They've filmed inside prison before if he was desperate to hold onto Matt they could've done it again. Because at least if some sort of concrete action was taking against Dean regardless of whether he'd acknowledge what he did was wrong, the audience wouldn't feel so short changed & it would be justice for the storyline. Honestly the only place that handles rape worse than Eastenders is this gen of Hollyoaks. I'm not interested in bad stuff happening to Dean every now and then. I'm not interested in him going up against Ronnie over Roxy. I'm not interested in his sick kid. I'm not interested in anything to do with Dean because he is a rapist.”
Some people on this forum are ridiculous. I've seen so many people complain that Dean isn't being made to look like a villain and is just walking around like he hasn't done anything. And then when the actor says himself that his character is a villain he gets criticised for doing so.
Originally Posted by Lulz77:
“Some people on this forum are ridiculous. I've seen so many people complain that Dean isn't being made to look like a villain and is just walking around like he hasn't done anything. And then when the actor says himself that his character is a villain he gets criticised for doing so.”
“Some people on this forum are ridiculous. I've seen so many people complain that Dean isn't being made to look like a villain and is just walking around like he hasn't done anything. And then when the actor says himself that his character is a villain he gets criticised for doing so.”
They don't want him on EE so it is any reason they can grasp at any particular time. You're not supposed to have a memory reading stuff.
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