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Gay Characters in Soaps - Why is CS so bad at it?
I was just doing a random search on Wikipedia to see the storyline of the Emmerdale crash I watched today, PHWOAR Ross is hot!!!
Anyway I saw a list of characters who were gay in soaps and Emmerdale seems to come out on top for hotties, with Coronation St AWFUL! Only three gay characters and all aren't exactly pinups! Good job the only soap I watch is Eastenders ey!!! But seriously though why is Corrie homophobic? I thought it was set in Manchester which is meant to be the gay capital (after brighton) so isn't it a bit unrealistic to have three (the rest being lesbians)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...GBT_characters EMMERDALE: Robert Sugden (1986–2005, 2009, 2014–) << HOT Zoe Tate (1989–2005) Charity Tate (2000–2005, 2009−) Jason Kirk (1999–2002) Gavid Ferris (1999) Jasmine Thomas (2005–2009) Debbie Dingle (2002–) Aaron Livesy (2003–04, 2006, 2008–12, 2014–) << KIND OF HOT Jackson Walsh (2010–2011) << HOT Paul Lambert (2004–2009; 2010) << A TINY BIT HOT Ivan Jones (2005–2006) Grayson Sinclair (2006-2008) Jonny Foster (2007–2009) Ali Spencer (2011−) Ruby Haswell (2011−) Finn Barton (2013−) EASTENDERS: John Fisher Ruth Lyons Colin Russell Barry Clark Guido Smith Queenie Price Joe Wallace Della Alexander Binnie Roberts Tony Hills Simon Raymond Fred Fonseca Derek Harkinson Sonia Fowler (1993−2007, 2010−11, 2014−) Naomi Julien Marco Bianco << KIND OF HOT Charity Kase Christian Clarke (2008−12, 2014–15) << RED HOT Steven Beale (1989–90, 1992–2002, 2007–08) Lee Thompson (2008) Syed Masood (2009−12) << KIND OF HOT James Mackie (2009) Ben Mitchell (1996–2000, 2006–12, 2014–) << NOT HOT AT ALL Danny Pennant (2012−14) << KIND OF HOT Tina Carter (2013−) Johnny Carter (2013−14) << KIND OF HOT Gianluca Cavallo (2014) << KIND OF HOT Fiona "Tosh" Mackintosh (2014) Paul Coker (2015–) << RED HOT HOT CORONATION STREET: Hayley Cropper (1998−14) Todd Grimshaw (2001–04, 2007, 2011, 2013−) <<< NOT HOT Karl Foster (2004) Sean Tully (2004–) <<< NOT HOT AT ALL Sonny Dhillon (2006–07) Marcus Dent (2007–08; 2011–14) <<< NOT HOT AT ALL Sophie Webster (1994–) Sian Powers (2009–11) Amber Kalirai (2005–09; 2011–12) Jenna Kamara (2012–14) Maddie Heath (2013–) Billy Mayhew (2014-) <<< NOT HOT AT ALL |
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You forgot Callum i know easy mistake
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You forgot Callum i know easy mistake
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Because Corrie likes to present all it's characters as exaggerated and simplified charicatures of real people so that they can appeal to the maximum of demographics.
As a young gay man I agree that Emmerdales gay characters are much more relatable to me personally....that said I know plenty of gay men who are much like Sean in Corrie too. |
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Because Corrie likes to present all it's characters as exaggerated and simplified charicatures of real people so that they can appeal to the maximum of demographics.
As a young gay man I agree that Emmerdales gay characters are much more relatable to me personally....that said I know plenty of gay men who are much like Sean in Corrie too. Emmerdale gay's are fit fit fit!!! I might have to see if i can get into it again |
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Hayley Cropper?
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Hayley Cropper?
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The title of the Wikipedia link in the OP is 'List of Soap Operas with LGBT characters' with Hayley being the 'T' (transgender). The OP just copied and pasted the list despite this thread being purely about gay characters.
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The thread title is about quality, yet the OP seems to be talking purely about quantity. Alas, since I don't watch any other soaps, I've no way of comparing them.
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Todd in Corrie is very hot, very handsome man. Marcus was good looking too as is Billy.
And Syed in EE was not quite hot, he was SMOKIN'
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So because you don't find the gay characters attractive, Coronation Street is homophobic? Oh please, the show was created by and continues to be written by gay men.
Though the fact you don't watch the Street or indeed Emmerdale either kind of negates your argument anyway. |
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I have never bought Robert Sugden being gay/bi/whatever he is supposed to be. It's rather unfortunate that he has more chemistry with Chrissy than with Aaron as it's his relationship with the latter that has been pushed more by the show.
I also didn't like the way Emmerdale kept switching Zoe Tate's sexuality - straight > lesbian > straight > lesbian. I could never keep up. And I wasn't a fan of Corrie's Marcus getting with Maria either. |
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So because you don't find the gay characters attractive, Coronation Street is homophobic? Oh please, the show was created by and continues to be written by gay men.
Though the fact you don't watch the Street or indeed Emmerdale either kind of negates your argument anyway. At least in EE you now have Paul and Ben, and in ED Aaron and Finn who are the same age but couldn't be more different. |
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I think corrie tends to go for the caricature gay person as it's easier to swallow for the older viewer.
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Ahhh yes - cos we all know gay characters in soap only exist to look good and be fantasised over by the audience.
I say this in jest - but it is sadly only too true
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I disagree with this and also what exactly is wrong with Todd? He's not a stereotype like Sean and is a fully developed character.
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I disagree with this and also what exactly is wrong with Todd? He's not a stereotype like Sean and is a fully developed character.
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I disagree with this and also what exactly is wrong with Todd? He's not a stereotype like Sean and is a fully developed character.
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He's bitchy though, another negative stereotype.
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Sean, and to a lesser extent Sophie, are barriers to decent, varied portrayals of gay individuals in Coronation Street.
Both have very limited range but seem to be able to hog the amount of screentime/storylines of LGBT characters, preventing more inspiring characters from making an impact or breaking through. IMO most of the storylines Sean and Sophie have had in the past five years have been damp squibs or complete disasters. I sort of feel as well that focus on Sean has actually forced out other gay characters - producers seem to think the sun shines out of AC's arse, and I kind of believe the rumours about Condou leaving because of AC's ego. Sean - introduced in 2003 had really run his course as a characetr by 05/06. I wish they'd made more of Karl when he appeared - definitely had potential - and I'd love Marcus to still be around instead of Sean. Billy I have no real gripe against but he suffers from who he is paired with. I'd like to see a suitable man for Todd appear on the scene - a self made (even perhaps dodgy) businessman in his 20s/30s perhaps who owns a business nearby in weatherfield that draws trade away from Coronation Street/Victoria Street. (I.e Salon, Bar, Upmarket Cafe, 2nd hand shop etc). If I was EP I'd write out BV by having Sophie decide she's had enough of Manchester and go and live with Rosie in London for a bit. Sally definitely doesn't need Sophie given that she has a new fiance, stepdaughter and kind of ex-stepson to interact with. Introduce a new professional married Lesbian couple. Doctors/Nurses/receptionists at the medical practise perhaps. Plenty of scope for interaction with the regular cast. |
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Plenty of gay men are bitchy. I often hear "put the claws away, girls".
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He's bitchy though, another negative stereotype.
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I have never bought Robert Sugden being gay/bi/whatever he is supposed to be. It's rather unfortunate that he has more chemistry with Chrissy than with Aaron as it's his relationship with the latter that has been pushed more by the show.
I also didn't like the way Emmerdale kept switching Zoe Tate's sexuality - straight > lesbian > straight > lesbian. I could never keep up. And I wasn't a fan of Corrie's Marcus getting with Maria either. |
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It's always gone Emmerdale, Eastenders, Corrie in terms of having realistic gay characters out of the big 3
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I disagree with this and also what exactly is wrong with Todd? He's not a stereotype like Sean and is a fully developed character.
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