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Kate Oates is everything Bryan Kirkwood isn't.
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craig_25
05-08-2015
Originally Posted by MrJames:
“That's the whole point of who's the daddy storylines though... you're not supposed to see the mother sleeping with the father!”

Ah yes, how could we forget the George Trott storyline.....where some spotty kid had been revealed to have slept with Heather off screen months before, despite them barely ever sharing a scene previous to that.
Leeah
05-08-2015
Emmerdale is very overrated. I watch and just don't get the hype. Also the set is so cold - always looks dark and dingy, just meh, wish I could see the fabulousness
craig_25
05-08-2015
Originally Posted by Leeah:
“Emmerdale is very overrated. I watch and just don't get the hype. Also the set is so cold - always looks dark and dingy, just meh, wish I could see the fabulousness ”

The set is certainly the most realistic. Given that Emmerdale is set on the fringes of the actual Dales they are exposed to the elements far more than its City based counterparts.

The reason I personally see the fabulousness is because Emmerdale is consistent, has great pacing, and is character driven, not plot driven. The current SP tries to remain true to the shows history and it has a truly idyllic setting (but I would say that, I'm from North Yorkshire!)
sorcha_healy27
05-08-2015
Originally Posted by craig_25:
“The set is certainly the most realistic. Given that Emmerdale is set on the fringes of the actual Dales they are exposed to the elements far more than its City based counterparts.

The reason I personally see the fabulousness is because Emmerdale is consistent, has great pacing, and is character driven, not plot driven. The current SP tries to remain true to the shows history and it has a truly idyllic setting (but I would say that, I'm from North Yorkshire!)”

I agree.

Emmerdale is fab.

As an Eastenders fan also I'd love to see Kate given a crack at it once DTC leaves. Saying that I want him to stay for the forseable
attitude99
05-08-2015
Originally Posted by craig_25:
“The set is certainly the most realistic. Given that Emmerdale is set on the fringes of the actual Dales they are exposed to the elements far more than its City based counterparts.

The reason I personally see the fabulousness is because Emmerdale is consistent, has great pacing, and is character driven, not plot driven. The current SP tries to remain true to the shows history and it has a truly idyllic setting (but I would say that, I'm from North Yorkshire!)”

This! ^^ I live in the country & love watching Emmerdale! It has quite a sophisticated-ness thing about it
Keibro
05-08-2015
Kate certainly will be remembered as being a very solid Producer.

I think Corrie would certainly benefit from someone like Kate Oates.
Aura101
05-08-2015
Emmerdale has been my favourite soap for about a year now . Not bad going as I always rated it as my least favourite back in the day !
Hollyoaks is now my most hated. Which is awful going, as it used to be my favourite !! Ironically I loved it during Birkwoods first era. But he has well and truley lost the plot. I noticed him losing it actually towards the end of his first era . Then he went onto eastenders and completely destroyed it to the point it has never fully recovered.
sorcha_healy27
05-08-2015
Originally Posted by Aura101:
“Emmerdale has been my favourite soap for about a year now . Not bad going as I always rated it as my least favourite back in the day !
Hollyoaks is now my most hated. Which is awful going, as it used to be my favourite !! Ironically I loved it during Birkwoods first era. But he has well and truley lost the plot. I noticed him losing it actually towards the end of his first era . Then he went onto eastenders and completely destroyed it to the point it has never fully recovered.”



Hollyoaks must be in a terrible state if you're giving up on it aura. I stopped watching it a while back but I remember you were always so positive about it.

The brendan Brady stuff was Kirkwoods most notable era imo. Those were the days
Mark_Washingto1
05-08-2015
Originally Posted by craig_25:
“i second this and whilst I also respect your opinion Mark, If you have genuinely enjoyed CS more than ED lately then I guess we have different preferences and expectations of our soaps.

As Sorcha has said, Corrie is a shadow of its former self. Great characters like Gail have been totally destroyed. This simpering and pathetic excuse for a character we see today was once a strong, and feisty young matriarch, flawed yes, but ultimately a good person who made some poor choices. The ruination of Sarah Lou, is an ongoing bugbear. This girl has been gone for 8 years and returned as a caricature with no development or explanation as to why she is now a terrible mother, and morally corrupt, backstabbing bitch. The DIRE racism storyline with tiny fireman.The introduction of Michael. The Gandy fraud storyline which lasted for 5000 years. The Nazirs. The God Awful Peter and Tina partnership......I could go on. There is so much I hate about the reign of SB and I genuinely feel he has taken my favourite soap and ripped it to shreds to fit his own agenda.

Thank God Emmerdale stepped up and filled the breach. I genuinely believe it is the best soap at the moment. Though I don't expect everyone else to feel the same.”

I agree Emmerdale is good and usually the best soap but the Debbie/Ross stuff over the last month was dragging it down and has really destroyed the character of Ross. And lets compare Tina/Peter and Ross/Debbie, Blackburn never tried to make out those two to be a great love affair or shoved them down our throats every day, where as Kate Oates seems has been doing just that with Debbie/Ross touting them as the new Cain and Charity. Also I remember how everyone threw a fit when Blackburn decided to make Tim illiterate, but Kate Oates doesn't catch hell for her destruction of Ross. I think Blackburn is just a whipping boy for a lot of people, he could do the exact same stories as Kate Oats and people would still hate him. You also have to give the man credit for keeping the show together with all the behind the scenes drama that was out of his hands he had to veterans gone for over a year because of trials and the unexpected death of another. How many producers have had to deal with that?
Hankshaw
05-08-2015
Kate Oates isn't fit to lace Bryan Kirkwood's boots.
MrJames
05-08-2015
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“I agree Emmerdale is good and usually the best soap but the Debbie/Ross stuff over the last month was dragging it down and has really destroyed the character of Ross. And lets compare Tina/Peter and Ross/Debbie, Blackburn never tried to make out those two to be a great love affair or shoved them down our throats every day, where as Kate Oates seems has been doing just that with Debbie/Ross touting them as the new Cain and Charity. Also I remember how everyone threw a fit when Blackburn decided to make Tim illiterate, but Kate Oates doesn't catch hell for her destruction of Ross. I think Blackburn is just a whipping boy for a lot of people, he could do the exact same stories as Kate Oats and people would still hate him. You also have to give the man credit for keeping the show together with all the behind the scenes drama that was out of his hands he had to veterans gone for over a year because of trials and the unexpected death of another. How many producers have had to deal with that?”

I really do not understand how Ross has been ruined? He isn't doing anything now that he wouldn't have done when he arrived?
Mark_Washingto1
05-08-2015
Originally Posted by MrJames:
“I really do not understand how Ross has been ruined? He isn't doing anything now that he wouldn't have done when he arrived?”

Its the whole obsession with Debbie, what really made me mad was last week he told her something "I never wanted anything more than this" which is a slap in the face to his romance with Donna
cyrilandshirley
05-08-2015
Originally Posted by Hankshaw:
“Kate Oates isn't fit to lace Bryan Kirkwood's boots.”

Well luckily she doesn't have to. Because she's too busy running a much bigger, much better soap.
attitude99
05-08-2015
Originally Posted by Hankshaw:
“Kate Oates isn't fit to lace Bryan Kirkwood's boots.”

She doesn't have to. & JP do that for him.
cyrilandshirley
05-08-2015
Originally Posted by attitude99:
“She doesn't have to. & JP do that for him.”

sorcha_healy27
05-08-2015
Originally Posted by attitude99:
“She doesn't have to. & JP do that for him.”



Bend over and I won't kill you off
attitude99
05-08-2015
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“

Bend over and I won't kill you off ”

Ooooooo errrr
Aura101
05-08-2015
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“

Hollyoaks must be in a terrible state if you're giving up on it aura. I stopped watching it a while back but I remember you were always so positive about it.

The brendan Brady stuff was Kirkwoods most notable era imo. Those were the days ”

Brendan Brady was not Kirkwoods era. Please do not give him credit for that fabulous time with some brilliant irish actors .
Kirkwood came in for Brendans exit
dazza89
05-08-2015
Kate Oates is bloody gorgeous, far better looking than half the cast.
Danny_Francis
05-08-2015
Originally Posted by Leeah:
“Emmerdale is very overrated. I watch and just don't get the hype. Also the set is so cold - always looks dark and dingy, just meh, wish I could see the fabulousness ”

While I don't agree as an ED fan obviously, I can take your point its all about taste. EastEnders is probably the most popular UK soap and IMO is overrated. I don't think writing is as good, nor the dialogue and there's way too much shouting in it.
Danny_Francis
05-08-2015
[quote=Aura101;79179656]Emmerdale has been my favourite soap for about a year now . Not bad going as I always rated it as my least favourite back in the day !
Hollyoaks is now my most hated. Which is awful going, as it used to be my favourite !! Ironically I loved it during Birkwoods first era. But he has well and truley lost the plot. I noticed him losing it actually towards the end of his first era . Then he went onto eastenders and completely destroyed it to the point it has never fully recovered.[/QUOTE

Welcome the Emmerdale family
starry_rune
05-08-2015
Neighbours from mid 1991 - end of 1993 also made brilliant viewing.
Rita's Kabin
05-08-2015
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“Well I'm a newer viewer (3 years) but I've watched a lot of old Corrie on clips and Don't really see a difference with anything Blackburn has done. The only things I think he really messed up on where The Nazirs and Lloyd/Andrea. The only character transplant I see is Todd, which was Bruno Langley's idea not Blackburn's.”


Blackburn is an awful producer and maybe if you'd watched the programme for a longer time period you'd have a different perspective on things.

Of course, you're as entitled as anyone to hold an opinion, but those of us who are longer term viewers (I'm talking 30 years+ here) have more to compare the current state of the show with than someone who has watched for a relatively short period of time.

I know a lot of people who have watched for as long as myself (or in some cases longer) and there's a universal agreement that the show is in an absolutely awful mess at the moment and that Blackburn's storylines leave a lot to be desired. None of the people I refer to are DS posters so please don't make the mistake that this is some anti-Corrie DS club I'm referring to.



Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“I've watched for nye on 20 years now and believe me I want to cry when I compare it the Richard hillman years. ”


It has been in decline for quite some time now but the current period ready does take the biscuit.



Originally Posted by craig_25:
“As Sorcha has said, Corrie is a shadow of its former self. Great characters like Gail have been totally destroyed. This simpering and pathetic excuse for a character we see today was once a strong, and feisty young matriarch, flawed yes, but ultimately a good person who made some poor choices. The ruination of Sarah Lou, is an ongoing bugbear. This girl has been gone for 8 years and returned as a caricature with no development or explanation as to why she is now a terrible mother, and morally corrupt, backstabbing bitch. The DIRE racism storyline with tiny fireman.The introduction of Michael. The Gandy fraud storyline which lasted for 5000 years. The Nazirs. The God Awful Peter and Tina partnership......I could go on. There is so much I hate about the reign of SB and I genuinely feel he has taken my favourite soap and ripped it to shreds to fit his own agenda.

Thank God Emmerdale stepped up and filled the breach. I genuinely believe it is the best soap at the moment. Though I don't expect everyone else to feel the same.”

Totally agree with all of this.

Corrie was my favourite soap for a lot of years and I would regularly sing it's praises to anyone that would listen. But it has been steadily declining for a number of years now and has got progressively worse under Blackburn.

Totally agree about Gail. The woman who worked with Alma, stood up to Ivy, coped with Richard Hillman etc has been reduced to a caricature of her former self and is now almost painful to watch.

Todd has been turned into a totally nasty piece of work with no real explanation why.

The Nazirs have been an awful additional to the Street and have, in my opinion, by a real failure.

Bethany (Lucy Fallon) - acting almost as awful as Kate Ford, Jimmy Harkishnan and Ms. Cotton.


Then we come to the plot threads:

* The awful "Play The White Man" racism storyline. Totally cringe inducing.

* Peter and Tina's 'affair' which sprang out of nowhere and was vomit inducing.

* Steve's dreary depression storyline.

* Callum - the most unthreatening "gangsta" drug dealer ever.

* Having an original character (Dennis) back in the show for the first time since 1969 and making no attempt to explain how he ended up on the streets, what happened to the woman he married (Jenny Sutton), whether they'd had any kids etc. A criminally wasted opportunity.


It gives me no pleasure to say so but I can't think of a single plot thread since Blackburn has taken over that has engaged my interest as a viewer. I don't want to say that, because Corrie was my favourite soap for so long. I say it because it's the way that I feel at the moment.

The only reasons I'm still watching are:

+ A dwindling hope that things will turn a corner and it will improve

+ A stubbornness that Blackburn won't be the one to make me stop watching after more than 35 years of continual viewing.

+ The fact that I am actually interested in some of the characters (Eileen, Sally, Leanne, Carla, Roy, Norris, Audrey, Rita etc and hope (vainly) that they might actually get an interesting storyline to get their teeth into.



In contrast, I never really watched Emmerdale that much growing up. Matt, Dolly, Annie Sudgen, Grandad and Amos saying "nay, nay Mr. Wilks" almost every episode bored me to tears and was, at that time, no completion for my beloved Corrie.

Fast forward to 15 years ago and Boyfriend convinced me to give Emmerdale another whirl.

I'm pleased that I did because it had changed an awful lot since I watched it growing up and, for me, it is now the best soap on TV (out of Corrie, EE, Emmerdale and Hollyoaks).

It's not quite firing on all cylinders at the moment and it has been better at various points in the past but I find it much more engaging, well writing and varied than the current direness that Corrie finds itself in at the moment.

One day I hope that Corrie retains its former glory and gets back to being funny, engaging and full of storylines and characters that make me want to watch. Unfortunately, looking at recent evidence, I can't see that happening whilst Blackburn remains at the helm of the show and seems intent on foisting any old rubbish onto us in the name of 'drama'.
All Of Me
06-08-2015
Originally Posted by dazza89:
“Kate Oates is bloody gorgeous, far better looking than half the cast.”

That doesn't make her producer material. I couldn't take the crash seriously it was garbage the acting likewise all that money gone to waste.
Mark_Washingto1
06-08-2015
Originally Posted by Rita's Kabin:
“Blackburn is an awful producer and maybe if you'd watched the programme for a longer time period you'd have a different perspective on things.

Of course, you're as entitled as anyone to hold an opinion, but those of us who are longer term viewers (I'm talking 30 years+ here) have more to compare the current state of the show with than someone who has watched for a relatively short period of time.

I know a lot of people who have watched for as long as myself (or in some cases longer) and there's a universal agreement that the show is in an absolutely awful mess at the moment and that Blackburn's storylines leave a lot to be desired. None of the people I refer to are DS posters so please don't make the mistake that this is some anti-Corrie DS club I'm referring to.






It has been in decline for quite some time now but the current period ready does take the biscuit.





Totally agree with all of this.

Corrie was my favourite soap for a lot of years and I would regularly sing it's praises to anyone that would listen. But it has been steadily declining for a number of years now and has got progressively worse under Blackburn.

Totally agree about Gail. The woman who worked with Alma, stood up to Ivy, coped with Richard Hillman etc has been reduced to a caricature of her former self and is now almost painful to watch.

Todd has been turned into a totally nasty piece of work with no real explanation why.

The Nazirs have been an awful additional to the Street and have, in my opinion, by a real failure.

Bethany (Lucy Fallon) - acting almost as awful as Kate Ford, Jimmy Harkishnan and Ms. Cotton.


Then we come to the plot threads:

* The awful "Play The White Man" racism storyline. Totally cringe inducing.

* Peter and Tina's 'affair' which sprang out of nowhere and was vomit inducing.

* Steve's dreary depression storyline.

* Callum - the most unthreatening "gangsta" drug dealer ever.

* Having an original character (Dennis) back in the show for the first time since 1969 and making no attempt to explain how he ended up on the streets, what happened to the woman he married (Jenny Sutton), whether they'd had any kids etc. A criminally wasted opportunity.


It gives me no pleasure to say so but I can't think of a single plot thread since Blackburn has taken over that has engaged my interest as a viewer. I don't want to say that, because Corrie was my favourite soap for so long. I say it because it's the way that I feel at the moment.

The only reasons I'm still watching are:

+ A dwindling hope that things will turn a corner and it will improve

+ A stubbornness that Blackburn won't be the one to make me stop watching after more than 35 years of continual viewing.

+ The fact that I am actually interested in some of the characters (Eileen, Sally, Leanne, Carla, Roy, Norris, Audrey, Rita etc and hope (vainly) that they might actually get an interesting storyline to get their teeth into.



In contrast, I never really watched Emmerdale that much growing up. Matt, Dolly, Annie Sudgen, Grandad and Amos saying "nay, nay Mr. Wilks" almost every episode bored me to tears and was, at that time, no completion for my beloved Corrie.

Fast forward to 15 years ago and Boyfriend convinced me to give Emmerdale another whirl.

I'm pleased that I did because it had changed an awful lot since I watched it growing up and, for me, it is now the best soap on TV (out of Corrie, EE, Emmerdale and Hollyoaks).

It's not quite firing on all cylinders at the moment and it has been better at various points in the past but I find it much more engaging, well writing and varied than the current direness that Corrie finds itself in at the moment.

One day I hope that Corrie retains its former glory and gets back to being funny, engaging and full of storylines and characters that make me want to watch. Unfortunately, looking at recent evidence, I can't see that happening whilst Blackburn remains at the helm of the show and seems intent on foisting any old rubbish onto us in the name of 'drama'.”

Blackburn is not a bad producer, he clearly loves the show, respects its history and is trying his best to make it work. I have seen really bad producers and he is not it. I've seen bad ones come into a show and the day their name appeared in the credits you could see the changes right away, the bad ones ignore whatever is currently going on and force their stories in immediately and blackburn never did that.
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