Austin really believes the 8 person plan (to target Shelli, then Steve and John) is true. Quite touching really.

LMAO

Liz grants Austin a kiss.

I'd rather kiss the crap that comes out of my vacuum cleaner when it's full....

Jackie imitating Vanessa's excuse for using the Veto: "I'm still sticking to the plan we made, what difference does it make if it's Shelli this week, or Steve or John?"

She's not wrong.

Jeffclips

Veto competition

I don't know if I am allowed to ask in here, but could someone please send me a link, mine has stopped working

Feeds have been down for 5 hours now.

Steve won veto?

Oh thank god Steve won. Pheewww. That is some good news.

Steve still hasn´t told Vanessa anything about her being BD. I like it.

Vanessa feels sooo save now after her talk with Becky. And now she is throwing Steve utb telling ADC that he needs to go because he will win every time he needs to now.

This is series is going down hill so fast, for me. I've watched zero live feed since HoH comp. If Summer Camp win the next HoH, I think I'll be calling time on this series.

It's not just Summer Camp that I dislike though, I can't bear to watch Austin/John/Steve play this game. They're so pathetic and weak, scared to get blood on their hands. Why did they apply for the show? Can't stand it.

Rooting for Shelli/Vanessa/Liz/Julia. Don't particularly like Shelli, but rooting for her just because she has balls and has played hard since day one. Likewise, Vanessa's game can be over the top sometimes, but I appreciate she plays and creates a lot of entertainment/drama for us. They both made the first five weeks what they were, so I find it hard to root against them. If they were like Summer Camp and just slept and made 'friends', then this series wouldn't have been what it's been.

I think Julia and Liz have played the last two weeks pretty perfectly. They had no ties to the other side so Summer Camp winning power is scary when you have an obvious target on your back, so to be able to gain some trust with them and not be targeted is good; but with their allies being picked off, they're going to find themselves targets going into the next HoH whilst also being on the bottom of the totem pole in the house... Don't worry, though, girls, you've got Austin fighting for you in the HoH - oh, wait...


Of course he did; he needed to save himself just like he did in week one.
God forbid he actually wins an HoH though and gets some blood on his hands.

I'm so bored of watching people like Steve "play" this game. Austin and John play similarly to him, too. If you haven't got the balls to win HoH and make moves, what are you doing on the show? All three of their social games suck, too. All three are just waiting to be picked off... It can't come soon enough.

Will POV ceremony be tonight or tomorrow?

John tried very hard to win in the last 2 HOH comps but just couldn´t do it. And he wants blood on his hands for being involved in the Vanessa BD. So you are a bit wrong here.

And POV will be tomorrow.

Yeah john tried hard in the last one but once he saw Becky was winning he started dripping liquid out and throwing it.
I think that's wise seeing as the double eviction is coming up.

I actually think this is one of the best seasons in a while. It's good to have power shifts, I love the sixth sense but if they had dominated all through the season it would of been boring.

I'm the same Reserved

as ANNOYING as Vanessa/Sheli are, at least they're playing the game & have been since the first few weeks. I can't stand it when players make it far who do nothing & then potentially win... aka Victoria last year, Spencer the year before, etc. It's so DULL

Steve/Meg/John are really boring me at the moment, Austin has changed as well & has stopped playing since the twins entered. John as a personality I love, he makes me laugh. Which is the opposite to Sheli/Vanessa, I dislike them. But I'd definitely much rather Sheli/Vanessa won, as they have actually worked for the money, and so in my eye, will have at least earned the pay.

I hope the game players stay in, because they are the reason why this series is happening. The show follows Sheli/Vanssa[&Clay] for a reason, they MAKE MOVES, they cause drama, make deals & PLAY BIG BROTHER. Which very few people seem to be playing. [And no, I don't think Vanessa is playing a good game at all, it's a terrible game, but kudos for being one of about four people that seem to be playing of a house of 11]

This game will be a travesty if Sheli doesn't win, she played a perfect game until making 1 mistake with Jason [It'd be like Victoria beating Derrick imo - didn't like Derrick as a person either, but I admit he played the game & completely deserved to win, much like Sheli]

John fell off the wall as soon as Shelli spoke about doing a deal with him (and James).

Literally, as soon as she opened her mouth and asked for a deal, he dropped.
I have no idea what he's doing. He made an alliance with Shelli and Clay in week two, and was bawling because they ended up on the block last week... despite them only ever USING him as a pawn, giving him no information - they played him like a fiddle. He sold out Steve's final two, and it's only recently he's been trusting Becky a little bit more.

Nobody cares whether he's there or not; he's expendable to all bar Becky, although I suspect Steve will be with him more now that Vanessa's leaving...

He's afraid of getting blood on his hands, he's afraid of making deals, he has absolutely no read on the house considering he thought he was good with Shay, and he has a poor social game - only sharing his opinions and strategy (the little he has) with Becky. Being expendable isn't a good position in this game. He's useless... but since most of them are sleeping the game away, yet advancing, he's probably got a shot at the win.

If you overplay it like Vanessa and Shelli than you make yourself a target. That´s how BB works. Derrick would have never played so stupid. So laying low in the first weeks is not wrong. Of course Steve plays BB, he just doesn´t want to get blood on his hands that soon. And John is always trying to play but ends up with people who are not loyal to him. His flaw is that he trusts the wrong people. Lets see if one of them can win an HOH the next weeks so we can see what they do when they are in power.


That comp was not designed for a tall guy to win. It was huge that he even lasted that long. He fell off because he was exhausted and he knew he couldn´t win it anyway.

I normally hate a dominance alliance and Bomb Squad destroyed the last series, as did Amanda the series before, but the two best/most exciting players were in the same alliance this year, so I was willing Sixth Sense to continue their dominance this series. I guess it depends on the cast whether power shifts are good or not.

Shelli and Vanessa are by far the most exciting gamers, best? Obviously not, but everyone is talking about how great this series has been... well, those are the two who had the power for four weeks in a row, so it obviously wasn't boring to the majority of viewers.

I didn't mind that the power shifted last week, but for them to win again and now be the majority... it sucks. I consider Meg/Jackie/John/Steve/Austin deadwood, so the series is starting to flat line, for me.

I don't like Becky or James but appreciate the moves they have made have been big moves that were also in their best interest. Can't argue against that, I just hope they can outlast the rest of the Summer Campers, but it's looking like after such a great start we're heading for a ridiculous final two of John/Meg or something stupid like that.

Exactly.

I couldn't stand Clay or Shelli in the first few weeks, but when I looked around and saw everyone else sleeping, cracking jokes and not having a care in the world about positioning themselves better in the game, I woke up and realised that, whilst I may not like them, Clay and Shelli deserved to be there for at least attempting to play.

I just pray Julia and Liz don't disappoint me since they seem like my only hope... Right now I'm hoping they're holding back because of the position they're in (they're twins/their alliance not in power); they're doing okay, Summer Camp are even talking about going after the 'floaters' (John/Steve) next week?! I'm glad they're working the other side... Let's hope it continues. I think Austin/Liz/Julia could be so powerful if the others continue to let them skate by (and Austin stops playing so scared and tries to win some comps).

Sheli didn't overplay, she just got found out/caught out [by a stupid decision of agreeing to evicting Jason]. The whole house wanted to work with Clay/Sheli, and all wanted to keep her safe. The night before Jason was put up as the replacement, him Meg & James were all saying they wanted to go f5 with Sheli/Clay. Every person in that house wanted Sheli/Clay in the final 5, she played a perfect social game, but just made 1 mistake. She didn't overplay.

Vanessa however, you're right she did overplay & has killed her chances, and yes Derrick is a far superior game player to her, but at least she has played for these 7 weeks. Something a lot of them can't say they've done at all.

I've already acknowledged that Vanessa and Shelli haven't played the 'best' games... but the point is they're PLAYING the game. I watch the feeds to be entertained; to listen to strategy, to watch people trying to outplay each other, to snake on by, to do absolutely anything to stay.

I don't watch for people to sleep all day, wake up at midnight, get dragged to the HoH and told "we're the final eight" and then cry because they believed it and got backdoored. That isn't playing.

Isolating yourself and having one ally isn't playing. Summer Camp are now talking about going after Steve/John next... I told you being expendable isn't a good thing in this game; none of them have Steve's or John's back, none of them care whether they go... so easy to get them out of this game, very little blood on your hands by evicting them.

So give me a Vanessa or a Shelli, who entertain and play the game, than someone like Steve or John who doesn't play the game, yet still end up a bigger target than TWINS who walk around with their own personal body guard!

John has done NOTHING throughout this game. Literally, nothing. I've watched a lot of feeds (bar this week) and never see him... I've witnessed him have one game discussion. There's flying under the radar, then there's John... Vanessa summed it up last Thursday: "Are you even playing?!"

Shelli and Clay did overplay.

How can anyone suggest it is not overplaying to make a whole house agreement to backdoor Austin (with Clay going on the block, no less), then breaking that agreement (and that was Shay, not Vanessa), then to subsequently agree get one of their "friends" evicted and lying to their faces about it for good measure?

That amounts to much more than 1 mistake.

Shelli has never been more than Vanessa's minion. Even picking her to play in the Veto, knowing of a plan to backdoor her thus saving her life. Weak.

Shelli is "Danielle Murphree" and Vanessa is her "Dan". Clay was their "Shane". Even when "Shane" was doubting "Dan", "Danielle" kept him in check.

But hey, if you think Shelli is playing the game, then fine. But don't go thinking she's playing her own game....

Yeah thats the problem right there. They made "alliances" with EVERYONE. That has to backfire eventually because people talk. That is what i consider overplaying. And the fact that both still think they are innocent bystanders in Jasons eviction shows how delusional they are about their gameplay.

ADC didn´t really discuss who they put up next week. Steve/John was the DE deal they made but that will be off the table when Van ends up on the block anyway. Its would be stupid to not go after Shelli and Austwins.

EDIT:
Idk why Shell picked Vanessa for veto play. She told peope that she can tell whats the houseguests choice chip when she picks. (BB hast to something about that imo because its cheating) Thats why she had it every time. So she must have pulled that chip on purpose. She wanted Vanessa to win it so they could both be save. But now everyone knows that they work together for sure. So stupid.

I agree, they overplayed, but I don't think you're giving Shelli enough credit.

Shelli has had her own mind and has stopped Vanessa blowing up plenty of times. Likewise, Vanessa has stopped Shelli making moves that don't benefit them.

They're in an alliance together and I think they balance each other out quite well. Working with someone doesn't automatically mean one of them is being controlled.

I also don't really think she was wrong to pick Vanessa in the Veto. Nobody was willing to use it on Shelli bar Vanessa, so why not pick her? It gave her a 33% chance of coming off the block which is better than a 16% chance...
If Vanessa won, her closest ally and herself was safe and there's nothing the house could do about it.

Worst case scenario happened for Shelli - both lost, yet Shelli is still staying in the house, because she knew Vanessa was the target regardless. She's in pretty good with Becky and even warned her BEFORE nominations that if she got the choice, she'd probably have to pick Vanessa to play.

Risk vs. reward. The reward was much bigger than the risk; her choosing Vanessa doesn't really seem to have done any damage to her game because everyone knows they're being split up this week.

I give credit to Shelli for going against the house and getting rid of Da'Vonne and putting Audrey in her pocket. That was ballsy. But from the moment Vanessa ran upstairs to tell her about Julia's identity, she has been under her spell. I would have been even more impressed with Shelli, if she had used her knowledge of the twins to take them out.....



As a good minion should.


Whoever has the last word is the one in control, in their relationship that's almost always Vanessa.


I can't think of any alliance in BB, however balanced, where someone isn't being worked and their "partner" isn't doing the working. Chilltown perhaps? Even if they get all the way to F2 together. Dan>>>Memphis, or Derrick>>>Cody. Someone is always in control. So it goes.


The above matters only if you really believe Vanessa was truly willing to use the Veto. I don't. She promised to use it on both nominees, which tells me she wanted to play, but only to try to keep herself safe. If she had won and used it, she would have lost Austwins, because they would have obviously realised Vanessa was willing to possibly sacrifice one of them, to keep Shelli. Do you think Shelli is worth that kind of sacrifice to Vanessa? I don't.

Shelli showed how limited her thinking is, without being able to consult Vanessa. As soon as Becky told her about the backdoor she should have realised she needed to jump off the sinking ship (as Steve did). She is going to need a new alliance. She should have been thinking about trying to mend fences with the very pissed off ADC. Becky was offering to clear the path for her. But no. By picking Vanessa for the Veto, she showed them all that even in extremis she still wanted to continue to stay out on her private island with Vanessa.

Still, BB wouldn't be near such fun, if we all saw things the same way.....

Meg in the hot tub, with John and Becky sitting around.

Meg is glorying in her new found status as a comp beast, for finishing 2nd in the Veto.

She'll be back to sleep soon enough...