Hot tub crew talking casually about Vanessa's impending backdoor and blow-up.
Roll on Monday....
Roll on Monday....
WHATM: BBUSA17 - Week 7 - SPOILERS
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The hot tub crew totally slagging off Vanessa for ages, until she goes out there to join them.
Props to them for not being awkward with her though.
Lying is a talent....
Props to them for not being awkward with her though.
Lying is a talent....
Originally Posted by mindset:
“I give credit to Shelli for going against the house and getting rid of Da'Vonne and putting Audrey in her pocket. That was ballsy. But from the moment Vanessa ran upstairs to tell her about Julia's identity, she has been under her spell. I would have been even more impressed with Shelli, if she had used her knowledge of the twins to take them out.....
As a good minion should.
Whoever has the last word is the one in control, in their relationship that's almost always Vanessa.
I can't think of any alliance in BB, however balanced, where someone isn't being worked and their "partner" isn't doing the working. Chilltown perhaps? Even if they get all the way to F2 together. Dan>>>Memphis, or Derrick>>>Cody. Someone is always in control. So it goes.
The above matters only if you really believe Vanessa was truly willing to use the Veto. I don't. She promised to use it on both nominees, which tells me she wanted to play, but only to try to keep herself safe. If she had won and used it, she would have lost Austwins, because they would have obviously realised Vanessa was willing to possibly sacrifice one of them, to keep Shelli. Do you think Shelli is worth that kind of sacrifice to Vanessa? I don't.
Shelli showed how limited her thinking is, without being able to consult Vanessa. As soon as Becky told her about the backdoor she should have realised she needed to jump off the sinking ship (as Steve did). She is going to need a new alliance. She should have been thinking about trying to mend fences with the very pissed off ADC. Becky was offering to clear the path for her. But no. By picking Vanessa for the Veto, she showed them all that even in extremis she still wanted to continue to stay out on her private island with Vanessa.
Still, BB wouldn't be near such fun, if we all saw things the same way.....
”
“I give credit to Shelli for going against the house and getting rid of Da'Vonne and putting Audrey in her pocket. That was ballsy. But from the moment Vanessa ran upstairs to tell her about Julia's identity, she has been under her spell. I would have been even more impressed with Shelli, if she had used her knowledge of the twins to take them out.....
As a good minion should.
Whoever has the last word is the one in control, in their relationship that's almost always Vanessa.
I can't think of any alliance in BB, however balanced, where someone isn't being worked and their "partner" isn't doing the working. Chilltown perhaps? Even if they get all the way to F2 together. Dan>>>Memphis, or Derrick>>>Cody. Someone is always in control. So it goes.
The above matters only if you really believe Vanessa was truly willing to use the Veto. I don't. She promised to use it on both nominees, which tells me she wanted to play, but only to try to keep herself safe. If she had won and used it, she would have lost Austwins, because they would have obviously realised Vanessa was willing to possibly sacrifice one of them, to keep Shelli. Do you think Shelli is worth that kind of sacrifice to Vanessa? I don't.
Shelli showed how limited her thinking is, without being able to consult Vanessa. As soon as Becky told her about the backdoor she should have realised she needed to jump off the sinking ship (as Steve did). She is going to need a new alliance. She should have been thinking about trying to mend fences with the very pissed off ADC. Becky was offering to clear the path for her. But no. By picking Vanessa for the Veto, she showed them all that even in extremis she still wanted to continue to stay out on her private island with Vanessa.
Still, BB wouldn't be near such fun, if we all saw things the same way.....
”
The twins were happening no matter what; might as well use it to your advantage.
Even Jackie said when she won HoH "I think the fans want to see them succeed, but the week after they both come in we'll target them". Like it or not, a lot of players like to please the public now... even Derrick kept Donny much longer than he wanted to.
As a good minion should? Don't you mean ally? What good is it to Shelli's game to let Vanessa or anyone else she's aligned with to make a move that she doesn't think benefits them? You don't let your allies hang themselves when you need the numbers to advance in this game.
Vanessa was clear to both Steve and Shelli - the person who picks me I will use it on, it's not like she lied to them both and said 'if I win I'll use it on you', she made no secret of them having to pick her to play for her to use it on them, so I think that tells us that she would have used it. I don't really see why she wouldn't; she'd get the twins to push for Austin to go on the block, and no matter how Becky tried to twist it, the blood would be on her hands, not Vanessa's.
Becky's so lucky Vanessa didn't win and pull Shelli off because she'd be screwed in the double eviction; she'd have five people mad at her - Shelli/Vanessa/Steve/Austin/Liz/Julia (remove one/the evictee). Her plan to sit down Vanessa and tell her to choose which twin goes up would have been hilarious to watch... yeah, that would've been a great move, Becky!
Personally, I'd have done what Shelli did and picked Vanessa.
The lines are already drawn and even if she somehow wormed her way back in with Summer Camp, she's definitely at the bottom of the pack just waiting to be picked off.
Shelli will never be able to work with Meg, Jackie or James in the game... What's saved her this week is her relationship with Becky and John, that's why Vanessa's going home and not Shelli. James, Jackie and Meg have discussed wanting to keep Vanessa over Shelli this week apparently, but they're letting Becky have the final say (that's what I read on Jokers, anyway), so Shelli trying to please Summer Camp won't work... they're done with her.
Originally Posted by mindset:
“The hot tub crew totally slagging off Vanessa for ages, until she goes out there to join them.
Props to them for not being awkward with her though.
Lying is a talent....”
“The hot tub crew totally slagging off Vanessa for ages, until she goes out there to join them.
Props to them for not being awkward with her though.
Lying is a talent....”
This is something I don't understand about the viewers.
They moan and whinge over Shelli/Clay thinking they're superior, and moan and whinge over Austin and Liz thinking they're the "good guys", and moan and whinge over Vanessa's hypocrisy... yet, they're hypocrites themselves because when James calls Vanessa the C-word, or Jackie and Meg are having a bitching session for five hours about Shelli and Vanessa, everyone laps it up.
The irony of viewers loathing Vanessa's hypocrisy (which is game play) when they themselves are hypocrites is too much to take.
Both sides are as bad as each other (as always), but it's hilarious to see viewers trying to defend Summer Camp simply because they were the underdogs...
I thought BBUS fans were much better than BBUK fans, but this series has really opened my eyes.
Originally Posted by Reserved:
“This is something I don't understand about the viewers.
They moan and whinge over Shelli/Clay thinking they're superior, and moan and whinge over Austin and Liz thinking they're the "good guys", and moan and whinge over Vanessa's hypocrisy... yet, they're hypocrites themselves because when James calls Vanessa the C-word, or Jackie and Meg are having a bitching session for five hours about Shelli and Vanessa, everyone laps it up.
The irony of viewers loathing Vanessa's hypocrisy (which is game play) when they themselves are hypocrites is too much to take.
Both sides are as bad as each other (as always), but it's hilarious to see viewers trying to defend Summer Camp simply because they were the underdogs...
I thought BBUS fans were much better than BBUK fans, but this series has really opened my eyes.”
“This is something I don't understand about the viewers.
They moan and whinge over Shelli/Clay thinking they're superior, and moan and whinge over Austin and Liz thinking they're the "good guys", and moan and whinge over Vanessa's hypocrisy... yet, they're hypocrites themselves because when James calls Vanessa the C-word, or Jackie and Meg are having a bitching session for five hours about Shelli and Vanessa, everyone laps it up.
The irony of viewers loathing Vanessa's hypocrisy (which is game play) when they themselves are hypocrites is too much to take.
Both sides are as bad as each other (as always), but it's hilarious to see viewers trying to defend Summer Camp simply because they were the underdogs...
I thought BBUS fans were much better than BBUK fans, but this series has really opened my eyes.”
Since you've chosen to quote my post, I take it you are calling me one of these dreadful hypocrites? I suggest you read back through countless posts of mine detailing my criticism of ADC shortcomings. I call what I see. I'm an equal opportunity hater FWIW. If you can't stand to see your favourites denigrated, then don't look....
Originally Posted by Reserved:
“This is something I don't understand about the viewers.
They moan and whinge over Shelli/Clay thinking they're superior, and moan and whinge over Austin and Liz thinking they're the "good guys", and moan and whinge over Vanessa's hypocrisy... yet, they're hypocrites themselves because when James calls Vanessa the C-word, or Jackie and Meg are having a bitching session for five hours about Shelli and Vanessa, everyone laps it up.
The irony of viewers loathing Vanessa's hypocrisy (which is game play) when they themselves are hypocrites is too much to take.
Both sides are as bad as each other (as always), but it's hilarious to see viewers trying to defend Summer Camp simply because they were the underdogs...
I thought BBUS fans were much better than BBUK fans, but this series has really opened my eyes.”
“This is something I don't understand about the viewers.
They moan and whinge over Shelli/Clay thinking they're superior, and moan and whinge over Austin and Liz thinking they're the "good guys", and moan and whinge over Vanessa's hypocrisy... yet, they're hypocrites themselves because when James calls Vanessa the C-word, or Jackie and Meg are having a bitching session for five hours about Shelli and Vanessa, everyone laps it up.
The irony of viewers loathing Vanessa's hypocrisy (which is game play) when they themselves are hypocrites is too much to take.
Both sides are as bad as each other (as always), but it's hilarious to see viewers trying to defend Summer Camp simply because they were the underdogs...
I thought BBUS fans were much better than BBUK fans, but this series has really opened my eyes.”
I actually would not mind seeing Vanessa win this season. My problem with Shelli / Clay was the sense of entitlement and their hypocrisy about playing a "loyal game". They really wound me up on feeds big time. Especially Clay. Shelli could be tolerable for me.
Vanessa is such good value and her leaving over Austin and Meg is a farce. But oh well that how the game goes.
It does make me wonder what on earth happened to the takeover theme. "Twist ever week".... Still waiting.
Twins GODDESS' to unite at the double eviction <333
Austin teaching Johnny Mac to lift weights
Don't be a muscle head John
Be a rockstar and nominate his twins, like you say you will.....
Don't be a muscle head John
Be a rockstar and nominate his twins, like you say you will.....
Vanessa and Shelli alone in the kitchen. Small talk, Clay talk, more small talk.
But no game talk. I wonder if Vanessa is finding that odd.
I am.
But no game talk. I wonder if Vanessa is finding that odd.
I am.
Originally Posted by mindset:
“Since you've chosen to quote my post, I take it you are calling me one of these dreadful hypocrites? I suggest you read back through countless posts of mine detailing my criticism of ADC shortcomings. I call what I see. I'm an equal opportunity hater FWIW. If you can't stand to see your favourites denigrated, then don't look....”
“Since you've chosen to quote my post, I take it you are calling me one of these dreadful hypocrites? I suggest you read back through countless posts of mine detailing my criticism of ADC shortcomings. I call what I see. I'm an equal opportunity hater FWIW. If you can't stand to see your favourites denigrated, then don't look....”
No, I was quoting your post because you stated Summer Camp was slagging Vanessa off, so took the opportunity to voice my opinion on it.
I don't have any favourites this series; maybe the twins at a push... and I wouldn't care if they received criticism. Been on reality TV forums for a long time, I can take the bashing of my favourites, it's the double standards amongst fans I have a problem with.
I haven't noticed it on this forum, to be fair, it's social media and other BB fan sites that I see it on.
Originally Posted by mindset:
“Austin teaching Johnny Mac to lift weights
Don't be a muscle head John
Be a rockstar and nominate his twins, like you say you will.....”
“Austin teaching Johnny Mac to lift weights
Don't be a muscle head John
Be a rockstar and nominate his twins, like you say you will.....”
Showing what a useless player he is once again.
Good relationship with Julia yet wants to take her (or her sister) out? I could understand it if he had all his bases covered - then it would make sense to break up the twins - but he doesn't; he has no relationship with Summer Camp whatsoever, his only connection to them is Becky... who is a rat and won't keep him safe with them.
Yet, go for the twins, who aren't targeting you... whilst Summer Camp continue to plan to potentially get you out next week. Good going, John.
His eviction really can't come soon enough, for me.
Originally Posted by Reserved:
“No, I was quoting your post because you stated Summer Camp was slagging Vanessa off, so took the opportunity to voice my opinion on it.
I don't have any favourites this series; maybe the twins at a push... and I wouldn't care if they received criticism. Been on reality TV forums for a long time, I can take the bashing of my favourites, it's the double standards amongst fans I have a problem with.
I haven't noticed it on this forum, to be fair, it's social media and other BB fan sites that I see it on.”
“No, I was quoting your post because you stated Summer Camp was slagging Vanessa off, so took the opportunity to voice my opinion on it.
I don't have any favourites this series; maybe the twins at a push... and I wouldn't care if they received criticism. Been on reality TV forums for a long time, I can take the bashing of my favourites, it's the double standards amongst fans I have a problem with.
I haven't noticed it on this forum, to be fair, it's social media and other BB fan sites that I see it on.”
OK then.
Originally Posted by Reserved:
“Showing what a useless player he is once again.
Good relationship with Julia yet wants to take her (or her sister) out?”
“Showing what a useless player he is once again.
Good relationship with Julia yet wants to take her (or her sister) out?”
You mean the Julia who said she thinks he is ugly but will keep flirting with him so he doesn´t put her up? The first name who comes out of Austwins mouth to put up is always John. So why should he not target them?
Originally Posted by Reserved:
“Showing what a useless player he is once again.
Good relationship with Julia yet wants to take her (or her sister) out? I could understand it if he had all his bases covered - then it would make sense to break up the twins - but he doesn't; he has no relationship with Summer Camp whatsoever, his only connection to them is Becky... who is a rat and won't keep him safe with them.
Yet, go for the twins, who aren't targeting you... whilst Summer Camp continue to plan to potentially get you out next week. Good going, John.
His eviction really can't come soon enough, for me.”
“Showing what a useless player he is once again.
Good relationship with Julia yet wants to take her (or her sister) out? I could understand it if he had all his bases covered - then it would make sense to break up the twins - but he doesn't; he has no relationship with Summer Camp whatsoever, his only connection to them is Becky... who is a rat and won't keep him safe with them.
Yet, go for the twins, who aren't targeting you... whilst Summer Camp continue to plan to potentially get you out next week. Good going, John.
His eviction really can't come soon enough, for me.”
The twins and Austin have said they want him gone, even now Julia want to keep shelli and vote John out (she still thinks he is going up).
The twins and Austin are his best option to nomiante if he was to win HOH
ADC/Goblins are not after him so why burn bridges there
He has final 2 with both Steve and Becky so they are not going up and he likes Shelli who will go after ADC/Goblins for him
The twins, Austin and Vanessa are and have been trying to get John out, so not stupid to go after them.
Steve talking to himself:"Playing both sides is hard. Not using the Veto would solve a lot of problems, but my mom would kill me if I didn't use it."
Around what time will POV ceremony be uk time? Excited to see the fireworks! Everyone in the house are expecting a big reaction from Vanessa, as are we, however it would be a dud if she doesnt because she knows she can come back in the game
Originally Posted by Reserved:
“Showing what a useless player he is once again.
Good relationship with Julia yet wants to take her (or her sister) out? I could understand it if he had all his bases covered - then it would make sense to break up the twins - but he doesn't; he has no relationship with Summer Camp whatsoever, his only connection to them is Becky... who is a rat and won't keep him safe with them.
Yet, go for the twins, who aren't targeting you... whilst Summer Camp continue to plan to potentially get you out next week. Good going, John.
His eviction really can't come soon enough, for me.”
“Showing what a useless player he is once again.
Good relationship with Julia yet wants to take her (or her sister) out? I could understand it if he had all his bases covered - then it would make sense to break up the twins - but he doesn't; he has no relationship with Summer Camp whatsoever, his only connection to them is Becky... who is a rat and won't keep him safe with them.
Yet, go for the twins, who aren't targeting you... whilst Summer Camp continue to plan to potentially get you out next week. Good going, John.
His eviction really can't come soon enough, for me.”
Just to add Meg, James and Jackie agreed they wanted Shelli and Steve out, and then go after Austwins, so John is last on their target list for now.
Originally Posted by rubyx93:
“Around what time will POV ceremony be uk time? Excited to see the fireworks! Everyone in the house are expecting a big reaction from Vanessa, as are we, however it would be a dud if she doesnt because she knows she can come back in the game”
“Around what time will POV ceremony be uk time? Excited to see the fireworks! Everyone in the house are expecting a big reaction from Vanessa, as are we, however it would be a dud if she doesnt because she knows she can come back in the game”
Usually around 8ish
Should be good feeds tonight <333
Austwins have turned into summer camp territory as of late sad to say. Jackie / Meg / James playing more.
Today's PoV should hopefully wake them up.
Austwins have turned into summer camp territory as of late sad to say. Jackie / Meg / James playing more.
Today's PoV should hopefully wake them up.
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