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They will go up this weekend
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As posted... It " may" inherit viewers from SCD.
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Or most likely not.
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Yes it is 90 mins.
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It a JB priestly adaptation, set largely in a family dining room in the victoriana era if I remember it properly (it's been years since I read it) I studied it in school and had no idea they were doing an adaptation of it, sort of thing that could surprise and do pretty well
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Yes it is 90 mins.
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Looking forward to An Inspector Calls - one of my favourite plays.
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Yes, Q4 is comfortably ITV's most important quarter.
But to say it would lose 80% of its advertising revenue away from Q4 is a massive overstatement. Not saying they would move X Factor to another quarter - obviously they want it in the most important quarter - but it's worth keeping the actual numbers in perspective. It's not so much a question of the advertising revenue of ITV as a whole but of The X Factor in particular, and not just of the adverts surrounding the programme but the promotional value of the programme itself. It simply wouldn't be viable as a Q1 show because it's become so ingrained in the music industry's promotional calendar. Quote:
All this is provisional of course. If it goes ahead I guess they're giving up with News at Ten ever competing with the BBC News ever again and are trying to get some value out of what they have left of the Champions League in particular.
If you were to look back at the seventies and eighties, occasionally ITV would show football highlights at 10pm and move the news, if they couldn't show it before 10pm and they wanted it on as soon as possible. Quote:
I'm very surprised Caroline is allowed to do it. Similarly I've always been surprised that Nick Grimshaw, highly placed in the BBC, is allowed to do X Factor and keep his Radio 1 job. I know Dermot also had a show on Radio 2 but he was not such a "Bbc" face and the rivalry was not as fierce in the days of Dermot's appointment.
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Expected though. Is that with +1? The ratings should be back up tonight. As we can see Bank Holiday weekend kills any show that has a remotely large young demo.
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The X Factor hasn't had tough competition. Casualty shouldn't be classed as tough competition. However, it seemingly now is competition. You can't use the "oh, but the youngsters were out last night" excuse when you're struggling that badly, that's not an acceptable excuse in my opinion.
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The problem that has been staring ITV in the face for a long time now, and which they have repeatedly failed to address, is that no entertainment format lasts indefinitely, and the writing has been on the wall for TXF for a while now. The bits of this year's shows that I've seen look even more staged than ever - and the audience can see the cracks getting wider.
Also as well the thing about Popstars and Pop Idol is that both only ran for two series, whereas we've now had X Factor for twelve. Of course there was a plan to do a third series of Popstars, finding duos, but that abandoned that when they decided they only wanted to do X Factor, seemingly because they always wanted Cowell on these shows, and he would only do X Factor. When you had Popstars and Pop Idol they were very similar shows but because they had slightly different formats it meant it seemed a bit fresher. I wonder what would have happened if after series one of The X Factor you had that third series of Popstars, and then you would alternate the various formats, so you'd have a very similar show but enough variation to keep it fresh every year. As opposed to just The X Factor over and over again. |
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I think it's a shame that the big problem with The X Factor seems to be that it's massively staged and cynical because as I've said here before one of the things that made Popstars and Pop Idol such a hit was that they were "warts and all" portrayals of the music industry and they seemed to have a honesty about them which was refreshing at the time. The one I always mention is when Rik Waller was given a bye of Pop Idol (though in the end he pulled out completely) and they actually discussed that on air and talked about why they'd done it, and got the studio audience to give their comments, and it made for fascinating viewing because normally a show like that would just sweep it under the carpet. So it felt like it was a show that was on the viewers' side, and it's sad to see its successor show now being considered as encompassing the worst facets of taking the audience for granted.
Also as well the thing about Popstars and Pop Idol is that both only ran for two series, whereas we've now had X Factor for twelve. Of course there was a plan to do a third series of Popstars, finding duos, but that abandoned that when they decided they only wanted to do X Factor, seemingly because they always wanted Cowell on these shows, and he would only do X Factor. When you had Popstars and Pop Idol they were very similar shows but because they had slightly different formats it meant it seemed a bit fresher. I wonder what would have happened if after series one of The X Factor you had that third series of Popstars, and then you would alternate the various formats, so you'd have a very similar show but enough variation to keep it fresh every year. As opposed to just The X Factor over and over again. Idol definitely seems like a more innocent and less cynical format (and production), but then it never reached the ratings X Factor did at its peak - but then who know what would've happened had it continued? American Idol certainly managed some highs in its time, even if it's ultimately likely to go out on a whimper (less said about X Factor USA the better). |
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That's a lot of soap on ITV.
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Looks as though my e-mail to ITV didn't prove useful.
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Naughty, naughty !!
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[quote=Dancc;79456259]BBC One's ratings superiority over the commercial channels isn't news. And FLT isn't doing that badly compared to the BBC version, according to your own ballpark figure. As BBC One is roughly five times more popular than C5, you would expect FLT to have lost more than half its audience. Quote:
Dancc, I'm not sure I buy this idea that when a property moves from BBC One to Channel 5, the benchmark for it should be the old audience adjusted for the lower channel share. That may be fair for, say, a generic factual series on a particular topic, but we're taking here about an identifiable brand, albeit not a stellar one in non-top-flight football highlights. When Neighbours moved channels C5 was less than 30% the size of BBC One in terms of share, but noone expected the audience to fall by 70% and of course it didn't (in fact it only fell a few hundred thousand at first).
Yes, it did well after MOTD but that's specifically because it was on after MOTD and benefited greatly from this inheritance. They're now somewhat boxed into a corner with FLT because they can't realistically move it later and moving it to 7pm or 8pm (even if the show could be edited in time) would make little difference to its performance. Having said that, it would be interesting to know what level of audience Channel 5 hoped to get from this programme? If it's part of a strategy to further build their sports portfolio, then perhaps the overall rating is not the number 1 priority here? |
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So around a million for each eastenders episode I wonder how that compares to corrie on itv player ? Do they make any figures available?
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Only 3 Emmerdale clashes in August are you sure there was 2 just last week
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Bill Turnbull leaving BBC Breakfast in January 2016 after 15 years with the show.
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Bill Turnbull leaving BBC Breakfast in January 2016 after 15 years with the show.
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Simon Cowell has been talking on LBC this morning about the X Factor ratings, claiming that they weren't actually that bad.
Cowell said: "We got beaten up a bit about the ratings, but what people don't realise is that lots of people actually watch on what's called 'catch-up', so I expect the consolidated rating to be about nine and a half million. It's doing as well as last year." |
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Simon Cowell is wrong if he thinks everything is fine.
Large numbers watching on "catch up" is the first sign a show is falling back in social importance. |
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New @HairyBikers series #northernexposure made strong start on BBC2 with 2.4m/11.9% http://www.overnights.tv
#CelebrityBigBrother continued merrily enough with 1.4m/6.9% on C5 from 9pm http://www.overnights.tv |
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Simon Cowell is wrong if he thinks everything is fine.
Large numbers watching on "catch up" is the first sign a show is falling back in social importance.
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Simon Cowell is wrong if he thinks everything is fine.
Large numbers watching on "catch up" is the first sign a show is falling back in social importance. |
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Natural history doc India: #NaturesWonderland proved attractive, drawing 2m/9.6% to BBC2 at 9pm http://www.overnights.tv
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New @HairyBikers series #northernexposure made strong start on BBC2 with 2.4m/11.9% http://www.overnights.tv
#CelebrityBigBrother continued merrily enough with 1.4m/6.9% on C5 from 9pm http://www.overnights.tv |
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Of course he knows, but it's his job to protect his product. How else could he spin those figures? It's the best excuse he could come up with that the average person will accept as being reasonable because they don't necessarily know better.
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Ah no, that's disappointing because I'm positive that 1.4m is with +1.
It seems that CBB just can't keep on the right side of 1.5m at the moment for more than one or two nights. |
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Channel 4 Press @C4Press 6m6 minutes ago
#EducatingCardiff made @Channel4 the highest rating commercial channel at 9pm last night - averaged 1.7m/ 8.3% share |
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Cowell said: "We got beaten up a bit about the ratings, but what people don't realise is that lots of people actually watch on what's called 'catch-up' so I expect the consolidated rating to be about nine and a half million. It's doing as well as last year."
Anyway, he's saying that overnights are increasingly irrelevant, so at least he and RobbieSykes are in agreement on something. |
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After all this X Factor palaver, do we expect Strictly to return down or to launch consistently as always? Depends if GBBO teases it, then we may see 9m
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Although I'm sure there are folk at the BBC laughing at the irony of Fincham's scheduling gaff last week, they would be wise not to look to their own laurels, for precisely the reasons you say. Nothing lasts forever - and that applies to SCD as much as it does to TXF. The only thing SCD has in its favour is that it doesn't have a deluded egomaniac as a figurehead …
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