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Old 01-09-2015, 19:59
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They will go up this weekend
As posted... It " may" inherit viewers from SCD.
Some think they won't. I disagree. Any rise will be mainly due to a non Bank Holiday weekend I reckon.
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Old 01-09-2015, 20:09
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Yes it is 90 mins.
Looking forward to An Inspector Calls - one of my favourite plays.
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Old 01-09-2015, 21:05
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It a JB priestly adaptation, set largely in a family dining room in the victoriana era if I remember it properly (it's been years since I read it) I studied it in school and had no idea they were doing an adaptation of it, sort of thing that could surprise and do pretty well
Yes it is 90 mins.
Looking forward to An Inspector Calls - one of my favourite plays.
I've seen this as a play and it's very good, and the 1954 film version is worth a look at too (of course if you don't like old fashioned mystery dramas then it probably won't be your cup of tea). I'm biased as I usually like all this kind of stuff/genre, anyway here's the IMDB Link if anyone's interested!
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Old 01-09-2015, 21:47
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Yes, Q4 is comfortably ITV's most important quarter.

But to say it would lose 80% of its advertising revenue away from Q4 is a massive overstatement.

Not saying they would move X Factor to another quarter - obviously they want it in the most important quarter - but it's worth keeping the actual numbers in perspective.
Well, obviously I was exaggerating a bit because I like to be a bit whimsical in this thread. But The X Factor (or The Voice, if it moved) would surely have to be in Q4, because the music industry is so massively geared around Christmas. All the bands who appear on it are their to plug their albums out for Christmas so most of those will have gone for a burton if they move it to Q1 because they won't have any product out. It's such an important showcase for the music industry that they would spit feathers if they ever moved it.

It's not so much a question of the advertising revenue of ITV as a whole but of The X Factor in particular, and not just of the adverts surrounding the programme but the promotional value of the programme itself. It simply wouldn't be viable as a Q1 show because it's become so ingrained in the music industry's promotional calendar.

All this is provisional of course. If it goes ahead I guess they're giving up with News at Ten ever competing with the BBC News ever again and are trying to get some value out of what they have left of the Champions League in particular.
Hmm, this isn't that big a tragedy, we know News at Ten is never going to win so if there's a chance to do something that makes sense being there then fair enough. What pisses people off - or it pisses me off at least - is when they move it for a pre-recorded programme that could be at any time at any night, because it just looks stupid (especially when they then don't move it for things like the NTAs which would justify it). Fair enough they move it something big enough to justify the slot.

If you were to look back at the seventies and eighties, occasionally ITV would show football highlights at 10pm and move the news, if they couldn't show it before 10pm and they wanted it on as soon as possible.

I'm very surprised Caroline is allowed to do it. Similarly I've always been surprised that Nick Grimshaw, highly placed in the BBC, is allowed to do X Factor and keep his Radio 1 job. I know Dermot also had a show on Radio 2 but he was not such a "Bbc" face and the rivalry was not as fierce in the days of Dermot's appointment.
It's no different to when Chris Evans was doing TFI Friday, which he used to promote incessantly on the show, and I think TFI was considered a serious rival to things like Top of the Pops (indeed, Evans used to slag it off) and Jools Holland and so on. But the Beeb let it lie because the promotion worked both ways.

Expected though. Is that with +1? The ratings should be back up tonight. As we can see Bank Holiday weekend kills any show that has a remotely large young demo.
The X Factor hasn't had tough competition. Casualty shouldn't be classed as tough competition. However, it seemingly now is competition. You can't use the "oh, but the youngsters were out last night" excuse when you're struggling that badly, that's not an acceptable excuse in my opinion.
I dunno about this Bank Holiday thing anyway, I don't see that there were vast numbers of people jetting off this weekend. Especially if you're aiming at young audiences, they're not the people who work nine to five and then cram something into the Bank Holiday, a lot of them are still at school and college so would have been off all summer anyway, or be working shifts, and the Bank Holiday weekend is no different to any of the previous half dozen weekends or so.

The problem that has been staring ITV in the face for a long time now, and which they have repeatedly failed to address, is that no entertainment format lasts indefinitely, and the writing has been on the wall for TXF for a while now. The bits of this year's shows that I've seen look even more staged than ever - and the audience can see the cracks getting wider.
I think it's a shame that the big problem with The X Factor seems to be that it's massively staged and cynical because as I've said here before one of the things that made Popstars and Pop Idol such a hit was that they were "warts and all" portrayals of the music industry and they seemed to have a honesty about them which was refreshing at the time. The one I always mention is when Rik Waller was given a bye of Pop Idol (though in the end he pulled out completely) and they actually discussed that on air and talked about why they'd done it, and got the studio audience to give their comments, and it made for fascinating viewing because normally a show like that would just sweep it under the carpet. So it felt like it was a show that was on the viewers' side, and it's sad to see its successor show now being considered as encompassing the worst facets of taking the audience for granted.

Also as well the thing about Popstars and Pop Idol is that both only ran for two series, whereas we've now had X Factor for twelve. Of course there was a plan to do a third series of Popstars, finding duos, but that abandoned that when they decided they only wanted to do X Factor, seemingly because they always wanted Cowell on these shows, and he would only do X Factor. When you had Popstars and Pop Idol they were very similar shows but because they had slightly different formats it meant it seemed a bit fresher. I wonder what would have happened if after series one of The X Factor you had that third series of Popstars, and then you would alternate the various formats, so you'd have a very similar show but enough variation to keep it fresh every year. As opposed to just The X Factor over and over again.
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Old 01-09-2015, 22:27
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http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/sep/01/simon-cowell-x-factor-nick-grimshaw-rita-ora
Thanks for that, I thought they'd be worse than that!
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Old 01-09-2015, 22:31
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I think it's a shame that the big problem with The X Factor seems to be that it's massively staged and cynical because as I've said here before one of the things that made Popstars and Pop Idol such a hit was that they were "warts and all" portrayals of the music industry and they seemed to have a honesty about them which was refreshing at the time. The one I always mention is when Rik Waller was given a bye of Pop Idol (though in the end he pulled out completely) and they actually discussed that on air and talked about why they'd done it, and got the studio audience to give their comments, and it made for fascinating viewing because normally a show like that would just sweep it under the carpet. So it felt like it was a show that was on the viewers' side, and it's sad to see its successor show now being considered as encompassing the worst facets of taking the audience for granted.

Also as well the thing about Popstars and Pop Idol is that both only ran for two series, whereas we've now had X Factor for twelve. Of course there was a plan to do a third series of Popstars, finding duos, but that abandoned that when they decided they only wanted to do X Factor, seemingly because they always wanted Cowell on these shows, and he would only do X Factor. When you had Popstars and Pop Idol they were very similar shows but because they had slightly different formats it meant it seemed a bit fresher. I wonder what would have happened if after series one of The X Factor you had that third series of Popstars, and then you would alternate the various formats, so you'd have a very similar show but enough variation to keep it fresh every year. As opposed to just The X Factor over and over again.
Really interesting post, and not just what I've quoted. Maybe keeping the different formats alive would've helped, but at the same time over the years Idol, X Factor and Got Talent have all taken some ideas from each other I suppose (arena auditions, for one example) and are similar enough that it might have been tough to differentiate them from the others in a meaningful way.

Idol definitely seems like a more innocent and less cynical format (and production), but then it never reached the ratings X Factor did at its peak - but then who know what would've happened had it continued? American Idol certainly managed some highs in its time, even if it's ultimately likely to go out on a whimper (less said about X Factor USA the better).
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Old 01-09-2015, 22:36
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That's a lot of soap on ITV.
Looks as though my e-mail to ITV didn't prove useful.




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Old 01-09-2015, 22:49
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Looks as though my e-mail to ITV didn't prove useful.




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Old 01-09-2015, 23:03
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Old 01-09-2015, 23:07
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[quote=Dancc;79456259]BBC One's ratings superiority over the commercial channels isn't news. And FLT isn't doing that badly compared to the BBC version, according to your own ballpark figure. As BBC One is roughly five times more popular than C5, you would expect FLT to have lost more than half its audience.

Dancc, I'm not sure I buy this idea that when a property moves from BBC One to Channel 5, the benchmark for it should be the old audience adjusted for the lower channel share. That may be fair for, say, a generic factual series on a particular topic, but we're taking here about an identifiable brand, albeit not a stellar one in non-top-flight football highlights. When Neighbours moved channels C5 was less than 30% the size of BBC One in terms of share, but noone expected the audience to fall by 70% and of course it didn't (in fact it only fell a few hundred thousand at first).
Isn't the truth that Channel 5 have bought themselves a rather "niche" product that doesn't have the sufficient universal appeal to pull in decent let alone big ratings @ 9pm on a Saturday night?

Yes, it did well after MOTD but that's specifically because it was on after MOTD and benefited greatly from this inheritance.

They're now somewhat boxed into a corner with FLT because they can't realistically move it later and moving it to 7pm or 8pm (even if the show could be edited in time) would make little difference to its performance.

Having said that, it would be interesting to know what level of audience Channel 5 hoped to get from this programme? If it's part of a strategy to further build their sports portfolio, then perhaps the overall rating is not the number 1 priority here?
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Old 02-09-2015, 04:08
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So around a million for each eastenders episode I wonder how that compares to corrie on itv player ? Do they make any figures available?

Also why no figures for sky or Virgin surely people are likely to watch on a TV rather than a tablet or PC so I expect these figures would be high.
People watching Iplayer on a TV set are supposedly included in the BARB overnights and officials already.

Only 3 Emmerdale clashes in August are you sure there was 2 just last week
Yep 3 clashes this August - 4th, 25th, 27th. There was also potential for one on the 20th but Eastenders moved to 8:30pm that day to avoid it and managed a fairly normal rating. There will be clashes galore in the coming few weeks though with rugby taking up some of Emmerdale's regular slots.
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Old 02-09-2015, 07:43
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Bill Turnbull leaving BBC Breakfast in January 2016 after 15 years with the show.
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Old 02-09-2015, 07:59
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Old 02-09-2015, 08:35
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Simon Cowell has been talking on LBC this morning about the X Factor ratings, claiming that they weren't actually that bad.

Cowell said: "We got beaten up a bit about the ratings, but what people don't realise is that lots of people actually watch on what's called 'catch-up', so I expect the consolidated rating to be about nine and a half million. It's doing as well as last year."
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Old 02-09-2015, 08:45
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Simon Cowell is wrong if he thinks everything is fine.
Large numbers watching on "catch up" is the first sign a show is falling back in social importance.
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Old 02-09-2015, 09:40
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New @HairyBikers series #northernexposure made strong start on BBC2 with 2.4m/11.9% http://www.overnights.tv

#CelebrityBigBrother continued merrily enough with 1.4m/6.9% on C5 from 9pm http://www.overnights.tv
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Old 02-09-2015, 09:45
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Simon Cowell is wrong if he thinks everything is fine.
Large numbers watching on "catch up" is the first sign a show is falling back in social importance.
I know. It's like Doctor Who!
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Old 02-09-2015, 09:48
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Simon Cowell is wrong if he thinks everything is fine.
Large numbers watching on "catch up" is the first sign a show is falling back in social importance.
Of course he knows, but it's his job to protect his product. How else could he spin those figures? It's the best excuse he could come up with that the average person will accept as being reasonable because they don't necessarily know better.
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Old 02-09-2015, 09:50
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Natural history doc India: #NaturesWonderland proved attractive, drawing 2m/9.6% to BBC2 at 9pm http://www.overnights.tv
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Old 02-09-2015, 09:52
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New @HairyBikers series #northernexposure made strong start on BBC2 with 2.4m/11.9% http://www.overnights.tv

#CelebrityBigBrother continued merrily enough with 1.4m/6.9% on C5 from 9pm http://www.overnights.tv
Ah no, that's disappointing because I'm positive that 1.4m is with +1.
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Old 02-09-2015, 09:52
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Of course he knows, but it's his job to protect his product. How else could he spin those figures? It's the best excuse he could come up with that the average person will accept as being reasonable because they don't necessarily know better.
Not only that, he said before the latest series of The X Factor started that he would beat Strictly in the ratings this year. With viewing figures as volatile as they are, that could still happen, but it looks very unlikely now that The X Factor has posted such low figures.
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Old 02-09-2015, 09:55
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Ah no, that's disappointing because I'm positive that 1.4m is with +1.
So it's down 140k on Monday night? That isn't great, especially as last night was meant to be a 'Live Task' special. To be fair, I thought it was the worst episode of the series so far.

It seems that CBB just can't keep on the right side of 1.5m at the moment for more than one or two nights.
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Old 02-09-2015, 09:57
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#EducatingCardiff made @Channel4 the highest rating commercial channel at 9pm last night - averaged 1.7m/ 8.3% share
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:07
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Cowell said: "We got beaten up a bit about the ratings, but what people don't realise is that lots of people actually watch on what's called 'catch-up' so I expect the consolidated rating to be about nine and a half million. It's doing as well as last year."
A bit patronising to the audience - I think people know what catch-up is.

Anyway, he's saying that overnights are increasingly irrelevant, so at least he and RobbieSykes are in agreement on something.
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:09
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After all this X Factor palaver, do we expect Strictly to return down or to launch consistently as always? Depends if GBBO teases it, then we may see 9m
Although I'm sure there are folk at the BBC laughing at the irony of Fincham's scheduling gaff last week, they would be wise not to look to their own laurels, for precisely the reasons you say. Nothing lasts forever - and that applies to SCD as much as it does to TXF. The only thing SCD has in its favour is that it doesn't have a deluded egomaniac as a figurehead …
I would be very careful about gloating over X Factor's rating before the Strictly launch rating comes out. We've seen a few surprises this year.
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