The death-rattle for singing shows has been ringing for a long time now. They're so bad at producing genuine superstars that it's impossible to maintain the drama.
The Ratings Thread (Part 65)
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Originally Posted by Salv*:
“Iron Man 2- 1.91m incl +1 for C4
Celebrity Big Brother- 1.31m incl +1 for C5
Good for Iron Man 2, oh dear at CBB. This is just a wake up call to C5, stop doing three series a year ffs!”
“Iron Man 2- 1.91m incl +1 for C4
Celebrity Big Brother- 1.31m incl +1 for C5
Good for Iron Man 2, oh dear at CBB. This is just a wake up call to C5, stop doing three series a year ffs!”
And that's a TERRIBLE Iron Man movie, easily the worst of the three although the third is pretty bad as well. First one is a masterpiece by comparison.
Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“Anyone have the exact XF rating with +1? DS haven't included it in their report.”
“Anyone have the exact XF rating with +1? DS haven't included it in their report.”
They've added it now: 6.68m (29.6%), +1: 393k. Total = 7.07m (31.4%).
Last edited by NeilVW : 07-09-2015 at 13:18
Originally Posted by jlp95bwfc:
“Strictly and X Factor clashes have gone on for years.”
“Strictly and X Factor clashes have gone on for years.”
And nobody said a word when they clashed back in 2006 with the performance and results shows for both on a Saturday night.
People have very short memories.
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“They've added it now: 6.68m (29.6%), +1: 393k. Total = 7.07m (31.3%).”
“They've added it now: 6.68m (29.6%), +1: 393k. Total = 7.07m (31.3%).”
Ah okay thanks Neil
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“TV Festival update: New Meet the Controller sessions added.
Kim Shillinglaw (BBC Two): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgYXQpZjpwE
Jay Hunt (Channel 4): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUKVjNTrhG0
Damian Kavanagh (BBC Three): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY43CVgZYEs
Angela Jain (ITV Multichannel): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUpZZ_RklAQ
Phil Craig (Discovery): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LGWnPlHDN4”
“TV Festival update: New Meet the Controller sessions added.
Kim Shillinglaw (BBC Two): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgYXQpZjpwE
Jay Hunt (Channel 4): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUKVjNTrhG0
Damian Kavanagh (BBC Three): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY43CVgZYEs
Angela Jain (ITV Multichannel): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUpZZ_RklAQ
Phil Craig (Discovery): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LGWnPlHDN4”
Thanks
Originally Posted by jlp95bwfc:
“Strictly and X Factor clashes have gone on for years.”
“Strictly and X Factor clashes have gone on for years.”
That may be so, but regarding the episodes of these programmes broadcast on September 5, according to Fincham the advanced exchanges showed this first Strictly show finishing in line with the X Factor start, only for them to correct this when they saw what ITV were planning. It's a bit different perhaps later on in the competitions when the programmes are long, but in this instance both programmes were short enough that it easily could have been avoided without either having to start too early or finish too late. So no, this was a conscious decision to clash by the BBC that was completely unnecessary which is why Danny Cohen was comprehensively unable to give a satisfactory explanation for it at the TV Festival.
I'm entitled to my view on this and I strongly believe that the BBC were too aggressive on this occasion, and highly likely to be so again, perhaps meaning longer clashes than are necessary as the programme durations increase. Whether X Factor is working as well as it could or should is a separate point, but it's their main driver of ad sales at this time of year, and if even one of those breaks is opposite Strictly Come Dancing then that is very costly to them.
Now the BBC does not have the same commercial pressures so the impact will be less but EastEnders is undoubtedly a very important programme for them. It's also particularly vulnerable at the moment and the BBC will be well aware of this. The threat of increased clashes with Emmerdale could well make them think twice about their antics at the weekend, because there's something at stake for them too when these needless clashes happen, and in both instances the viewer loses out.
From Broadcast, some Saturday 5-minute peaks:
Strictly: 9.7m (45.7%) at 20:10
Football: 4.7m (27.1%) inc +1 at 18:45
Strictly: 9.7m (45.7%) at 20:10
Football: 4.7m (27.1%) inc +1 at 18:45
Only 1.9m for Animal Mums. Yikes! This one won't be back I suspect. It probably doesn't make much difference but it can't help XF to have such a dire lead-in.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“That may be so, but regarding the episodes of these programmes broadcast on September 5, according to Fincham the advanced exchanges showed this first Strictly show finishing in line with the X Factor start, only for them to correct this when they saw what ITV were planning. It's a bit different perhaps later on in the competitions when the programmes are long, but in this instance both programmes were short enough that it easily could have been avoided without either having to start too early or finish too late. So no, this was a conscious decision to clash by the BBC that was completely unnecessary which is why Danny Cohen was comprehensively unable to give a satisfactory explanation for it at the TV Festival.
I'm entitled to my view on this and I strongly believe that the BBC were too aggressive on this occasion, and highly likely to be so again, perhaps meaning longer clashes than are necessary as the programme durations increase. Whether X Factor is working as well as it could or should is a separate point, but it's their main driver of ad sales at this time of year, and if even one of those breaks is opposite Strictly Come Dancing then that is very costly to them.
Now the BBC does not have the same commercial pressures so the impact will be less but EastEnders is undoubtedly a very important programme for them. It's also particularly vulnerable at the moment and the BBC will be well aware of this. The threat of increased clashes with Emmerdale could well make them think twice about their antics at the weekend, because there's something at stake for them too when these needless clashes happen, and in both instances the viewer loses out.”
“That may be so, but regarding the episodes of these programmes broadcast on September 5, according to Fincham the advanced exchanges showed this first Strictly show finishing in line with the X Factor start, only for them to correct this when they saw what ITV were planning. It's a bit different perhaps later on in the competitions when the programmes are long, but in this instance both programmes were short enough that it easily could have been avoided without either having to start too early or finish too late. So no, this was a conscious decision to clash by the BBC that was completely unnecessary which is why Danny Cohen was comprehensively unable to give a satisfactory explanation for it at the TV Festival.
I'm entitled to my view on this and I strongly believe that the BBC were too aggressive on this occasion, and highly likely to be so again, perhaps meaning longer clashes than are necessary as the programme durations increase. Whether X Factor is working as well as it could or should is a separate point, but it's their main driver of ad sales at this time of year, and if even one of those breaks is opposite Strictly Come Dancing then that is very costly to them.
Now the BBC does not have the same commercial pressures so the impact will be less but EastEnders is undoubtedly a very important programme for them. It's also particularly vulnerable at the moment and the BBC will be well aware of this. The threat of increased clashes with Emmerdale could well make them think twice about their antics at the weekend, because there's something at stake for them too when these needless clashes happen, and in both instances the viewer loses out.”
Sorry my point was actually in agreement with yourself. I was merely saying that the idea that the BBC are somehow the innocent party and are just responding to EE/ED clashes is nonsense when Strictly clashed with X Factor in previous years too. It is a deliberate ploy to attack TXF.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“That may be so, but regarding the episodes of these programmes broadcast on September 5, according to Fincham the advanced exchanges showed this first Strictly show finishing in line with the X Factor start, only for them to correct this when they saw what ITV were planning. It's a bit different perhaps later on in the competitions when the programmes are long, but in this instance both programmes were short enough that it easily could have been avoided without either having to start too early or finish too late. So no, this was a conscious decision to clash by the BBC that was completely unnecessary which is why Danny Cohen was comprehensively unable to give a satisfactory explanation for it at the TV Festival.
I'm entitled to my view on this and I strongly believe that the BBC were too aggressive on this occasion, and highly likely to be so again, perhaps meaning longer clashes than are necessary as the programme durations increase. Whether X Factor is working as well as it could or should is a separate point, but it's their main driver of ad sales at this time of year, and if even one of those breaks is opposite Strictly Come Dancing then that is very costly to them.
Now the BBC does not have the same commercial pressures so the impact will be less but EastEnders is undoubtedly a very important programme for them. It's also particularly vulnerable at the moment and the BBC will be well aware of this. The threat of increased clashes with Emmerdale could well make them think twice about their antics at the weekend. Because there's something at stake for them too when these needless clashes happen, and in both instances the viewer loses out.”
“That may be so, but regarding the episodes of these programmes broadcast on September 5, according to Fincham the advanced exchanges showed this first Strictly show finishing in line with the X Factor start, only for them to correct this when they saw what ITV were planning. It's a bit different perhaps later on in the competitions when the programmes are long, but in this instance both programmes were short enough that it easily could have been avoided without either having to start too early or finish too late. So no, this was a conscious decision to clash by the BBC that was completely unnecessary which is why Danny Cohen was comprehensively unable to give a satisfactory explanation for it at the TV Festival.
I'm entitled to my view on this and I strongly believe that the BBC were too aggressive on this occasion, and highly likely to be so again, perhaps meaning longer clashes than are necessary as the programme durations increase. Whether X Factor is working as well as it could or should is a separate point, but it's their main driver of ad sales at this time of year, and if even one of those breaks is opposite Strictly Come Dancing then that is very costly to them.
Now the BBC does not have the same commercial pressures so the impact will be less but EastEnders is undoubtedly a very important programme for them. It's also particularly vulnerable at the moment and the BBC will be well aware of this. The threat of increased clashes with Emmerdale could well make them think twice about their antics at the weekend. Because there's something at stake for them too when these needless clashes happen, and in both instances the viewer loses out.”
Viewers lose out in soap clashes too.
TV isn't just about commercial TV, if shies fail on the BBC jobs can be lost too.
If the BBC defended their move and explained it better over the last few years about Strictly/X Factor it wouldn't be so much of a problem.
The problem is the useless shower have waited too long to stand up for themselves. Antics at the weekend? With a 15 minute clash? Nonsense.
Originally Posted by jlp95bwfc:
“Sorry my point was actually in agreement with yourself. I was merely saying that the idea that the BBC are somehow the innocent party and are just responding to EE/ED clashes is nonsense when Strictly clashed with X Factor in previous years too.”
“Sorry my point was actually in agreement with yourself. I was merely saying that the idea that the BBC are somehow the innocent party and are just responding to EE/ED clashes is nonsense when Strictly clashed with X Factor in previous years too.”
And Emmerdale clashed with EastEnders in previous years too, indeed they clashed every week for a period of about 18 months in 2008-09, an ITV decision.
And if we want to go back to 1985 when EastEnders started, initially the BBC clashed it with Emmerdale before changing tack.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Viewers lose out in soap clashes too.
TV isn't just about commercial TV, if shies fail on the BBC jobs can be lost too.
If the BBC defended their move and explained it better over the last few years about Strictly/X Factor it wouldn't be so much of a problem.
The problem is the useless shower have waited too long to stand up for themselves. Antics at the weekend? With a 15 minute clash? Nonsense.”
“Viewers lose out in soap clashes too.
TV isn't just about commercial TV, if shies fail on the BBC jobs can be lost too.
If the BBC defended their move and explained it better over the last few years about Strictly/X Factor it wouldn't be so much of a problem.
The problem is the useless shower have waited too long to stand up for themselves. Antics at the weekend? With a 15 minute clash? Nonsense.”
Don't worry about that. No one seems to care as longs ITV comes out top.
Originally Posted by jlp95bwfc:
“Sorry my point was actually in agreement with yourself. I was merely saying that the idea that the BBC are somehow the innocent party and are just responding to EE/ED clashes is nonsense when Strictly clashed with X Factor in previous years too. It is a deliberate ploy to attack TXF.”
“Sorry my point was actually in agreement with yourself. I was merely saying that the idea that the BBC are somehow the innocent party and are just responding to EE/ED clashes is nonsense when Strictly clashed with X Factor in previous years too. It is a deliberate ploy to attack TXF.”
The BBC in the past tried their best to avoid a clash. They even moved Strictly earlier at one point.
ITV last year decided to have a Friday X Factor clashing against Strictly somewhere the show has aired for week 1 the last few years.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Viewers lose out in soap clashes too.
TV isn't just about commercial TV, if shies fail on the BBC jobs can be lost too.
If the BBC defended their move and explained it better over the last few years about Strictly/X Factor it wouldn't be so much of a problem.
The problem is the useless shower have waited too long to stand up for themselves. Antics at the weekend? With a 15 minute clash? Nonsense.”
“Viewers lose out in soap clashes too.
TV isn't just about commercial TV, if shies fail on the BBC jobs can be lost too.
If the BBC defended their move and explained it better over the last few years about Strictly/X Factor it wouldn't be so much of a problem.
The problem is the useless shower have waited too long to stand up for themselves. Antics at the weekend? With a 15 minute clash? Nonsense.”
20 minutes wasn't it? They found an extra 5 minutes from somewhere as well, which was the other slightly underhand thing about it.
We're never going to agree on this one. If ITV are pitching TXF a little later than ideal at 8:15 when AFAIK 8:00 used to be the preferred junction, then clearly they are actively encouraging the BBC to plonk Strictly at a perfectly adequate 7:00, avoiding any clash and keeping everyone happy.
There was absolutely no reason at all for these two programmes to clash on Saturday night, except for the fact that the BBC wanted to hurt ITV. And I'm not at all comfortable with that. It's ugly, unbefitting of them and frankly in this climate, dangerous.
If ITV wants to try Emmerdale in new slots against EastEnders as a result of this the BBC only have themselves to blame when EastEnders, which is increasingly unreliable anyway, inevitably struggles. That was my point.
I don't think a small overlap with SCD and XF, two shows that have no fixed time slot to begin with, is comparable to Emmerdale constantly running all the way through EastEnders' slot.
I am not convinced ITV would cut back on the soap clashes were the BBC to accommodate XF. And what would that entail? Starting SCD unreasonably early? It's easy for ITV to point the finger of blame at the BBC but these overlaps are not the reason XF has fallen as far as it has.
Even if it's fair to say the BBC could've avoided XF on one occasion, it's nothing compared to the amount of soap clashes ITV has created.
I am not convinced ITV would cut back on the soap clashes were the BBC to accommodate XF. And what would that entail? Starting SCD unreasonably early? It's easy for ITV to point the finger of blame at the BBC but these overlaps are not the reason XF has fallen as far as it has.
Even if it's fair to say the BBC could've avoided XF on one occasion, it's nothing compared to the amount of soap clashes ITV has created.
Originally Posted by welshfoxy:
“Thanks”
“Thanks
”
No problem!
Just watching Jay Hunt's one now over some lunch. I lead an exciting life.
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“They've added it now: 6.68m (29.6%), +1: 393k. Total = 7.07m (31.4%).”
“They've added it now: 6.68m (29.6%), +1: 393k. Total = 7.07m (31.4%).”
Like people have said, no channel is going to turn their noses up at this kind of number but given XF immense past its hard not to see it as a bit thin. Its kind of goodish Countryfile territory without plus 1. Plum slot Sunday night with holidays over and schools back or about to go back-it shows how the show has fallen (admitting that it had a long way to fall from its peak). And ofcourse absent viewers aren't seeing the journey from the start which presumably makes them less likely to join in later.
Very solid for BBC1, but they have dependable shows with which they can augment with one-offs or serial drama such as Lady C-and their schedules just look so much better most of the time. Contrast with the three/ four channel age when ITV peak season schedules (especially weekdays) were awash with hit after hit with the odd big film thrown in. Scheduling for ITV back then must have been like being a kid in a sweet shop-especially as BBC had so many awkward looking off junction programme starts.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“20 minutes wasn't it? They found an extra 5 minutes from somewhere as well, which was the other slightly underhand thing about it.
We're never going to agree on this one. If ITV are pitching TXF a little later than ideal at 8:15 when AFAIK 8:00 used to be the preferred junction, then clearly they are actively encouraging the BBC to plonk Strictly at a perfectly adequate 7:00, avoiding any clash and keeping everyone happy.
There was absolutely no reason at all for these two programmes to clash on Saturday night, except for the fact that the BBC wanted to hurt ITV. And I'm not at all comfortable with that. It's ugly, unbefitting of them and frankly in this climate, dangerous.
If ITV wants to try Emmerdale in new slots against EastEnders as a result of this the BBC only have themselves to blame when EastEnders, which is increasingly unreliable anyway, inevitably struggles. That was my point.”
“20 minutes wasn't it? They found an extra 5 minutes from somewhere as well, which was the other slightly underhand thing about it.
We're never going to agree on this one. If ITV are pitching TXF a little later than ideal at 8:15 when AFAIK 8:00 used to be the preferred junction, then clearly they are actively encouraging the BBC to plonk Strictly at a perfectly adequate 7:00, avoiding any clash and keeping everyone happy.
There was absolutely no reason at all for these two programmes to clash on Saturday night, except for the fact that the BBC wanted to hurt ITV. And I'm not at all comfortable with that. It's ugly, unbefitting of them and frankly in this climate, dangerous.
If ITV wants to try Emmerdale in new slots against EastEnders as a result of this the BBC only have themselves to blame when EastEnders, which is increasingly unreliable anyway, inevitably struggles. That was my point.”
Originally Posted by jlp95bwfc:
“Sorry my point was actually in agreement with yourself. I was merely saying that the idea that the BBC are somehow the innocent party and are just responding to EE/ED clashes is nonsense when Strictly clashed with X Factor in previous years too. It is a deliberate ploy to attack TXF.”
“Sorry my point was actually in agreement with yourself. I was merely saying that the idea that the BBC are somehow the innocent party and are just responding to EE/ED clashes is nonsense when Strictly clashed with X Factor in previous years too. It is a deliberate ploy to attack TXF.”
What BBC and ITV need to do is shut up, stop stirring and put their programmes on. There was no ITV +1 or BBC iPlayer when Noel's House Party and Blind Date clashed for years.
I would be more inclined to feel sorry for ITV if they didn't do soap clashes so often. Their stance just comes off as hypocritical.
What's next ITV complaining BBC Breakfast is facing Good Morning Britain? Imagine if Strictly was moved and replaced with a show that skews young? What would ITV say then?
Successful football teams don't talk about the opposition. X Factor fans saw what needed to be changed on X Factor before anybody at ITV did. It didn't change and ratings slipped. That more than a Strictly clash hurt X Factor.
When XF was top dog ITV would push SCD back as early as possible.
Now the boots on the other foot they cry foul play.
Clashes are inevitable. SCD is BBC's biggest Saturday night show of the year so airing it any earlier than 1845 is pretty daft. Just fix if for 1900, tell ITV and they can do whatever they wish with XF.
Simon reckons XF is the biggest show so take SCD on head first mate.
Now the boots on the other foot they cry foul play.
Clashes are inevitable. SCD is BBC's biggest Saturday night show of the year so airing it any earlier than 1845 is pretty daft. Just fix if for 1900, tell ITV and they can do whatever they wish with XF.
Simon reckons XF is the biggest show so take SCD on head first mate.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“20 minutes wasn't it? They found an extra 5 minutes from somewhere as well, which was the other slightly underhand thing about it.
We're never going to agree on this one. If ITV are pitching TXF a little later than ideal at 8:15 when AFAIK 8:00 used to be the preferred junction, then clearly they are actively encouraging the BBC to plonk Strictly at a perfectly adequate 7:00, avoiding any clash and keeping everyone happy.
There was absolutely no reason at all for these two programmes to clash on Saturday night, except for the fact that the BBC wanted to hurt ITV. And I'm not at all comfortable with that. It's ugly, unbefitting of them and frankly in this climate, dangerous.
If ITV wants to try Emmerdale in new slots against EastEnders as a result of this the BBC only have themselves to blame when EastEnders, which is increasingly unreliable anyway, inevitably struggles. That was my point.”
“20 minutes wasn't it? They found an extra 5 minutes from somewhere as well, which was the other slightly underhand thing about it.
We're never going to agree on this one. If ITV are pitching TXF a little later than ideal at 8:15 when AFAIK 8:00 used to be the preferred junction, then clearly they are actively encouraging the BBC to plonk Strictly at a perfectly adequate 7:00, avoiding any clash and keeping everyone happy.
There was absolutely no reason at all for these two programmes to clash on Saturday night, except for the fact that the BBC wanted to hurt ITV. And I'm not at all comfortable with that. It's ugly, unbefitting of them and frankly in this climate, dangerous.
If ITV wants to try Emmerdale in new slots against EastEnders as a result of this the BBC only have themselves to blame when EastEnders, which is increasingly unreliable anyway, inevitably struggles. That was my point.”
Because Emmerdale starts half hour earlier. Now if EastEnders and Emmerdale started at 7pm or 7:30pm head to head without a 30 minute head start or a leading in from Corrie i'd bet any money EastEnders will come out top.
Emmerdale is the one that loses most anyway. It doesn't seem to recover after the clashes with Fridays rating hardly any different from the clash ratings.
EastEnders finds viewers elsewhere like on BBC 3 and I player.
BARB have updated for w/e 30 August. 12.36m for Bake Off, another astonishing timeshift. 
It really is a beast.
The Great British Bake Off Ratings Summary
And for X Factor:
29 August 2015 - 8.97m/9.61m (+1.86m/+1.97m)
30 August 2015 - 7.50m/8.09m (+1.56m/+1.62m)
Big timeshift for the Saturday episode.
It really is a beast.The Great British Bake Off Ratings Summary
Code:
Series 6 (2015) Episode Overnight Official Episode 1 (05 August 2015) 9.30m (43.0%) 11.62m (+2.32m) Episode 2 (12 August 2015) 8.87m (41.8%) 11.59m (+2.72m) Episode 3 (19 August 2015) 10.06m (44.0%) 12.01m (+1.95m) Episode 4 (26 August 2015) 9.57m (43.0%) 12.36m (+2.79m) Episode 5 (02 September 2015) 9.83m (43.8%) Episode 6 (09 September 2015) Episode 7 (16 September 2015) Episode 8 (23 September 2015) Episode 9 (30 September 2015) Episode 10 (07 October 2015) Average 9.53m (43.1%) 11.90m (+2.45m)
29 August 2015 - 8.97m/9.61m (+1.86m/+1.97m)
30 August 2015 - 7.50m/8.09m (+1.56m/+1.62m)
Big timeshift for the Saturday episode.
Originally Posted by Semierotic:
“The death-rattle for singing shows has been ringing for a long time now. They're so bad at producing genuine superstars that it's impossible to maintain the drama.”
“The death-rattle for singing shows has been ringing for a long time now. They're so bad at producing genuine superstars that it's impossible to maintain the drama.”
Not sure about this. Series three and four of The Voice UK both managed to better the consolidated averages of the respective previous year, and in fact series four even slightly bettered the consolidated average for series one. X Factor may be dying but TVUK shows no signs of decline just yet - and of course BGT, a singing show half the time, shows no signs of faltering either.
Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“BARB have updated for w/e 30 August. 12.36m for Bake Off, another astonishing timeshift. It really is a beast.
The Great British Bake Off Ratings Summary
And for X Factor:
29 August 2015 - 8.97m/9.61m (+1.86m/+1.97m)
30 August 2015 - 7.50m/8.09m (+1.56m/+1.62m)
Big timeshift for the Saturday episode.”
“BARB have updated for w/e 30 August. 12.36m for Bake Off, another astonishing timeshift.
It really is a beast.The Great British Bake Off Ratings Summary
Code:
Series 6 (2015) Episode Overnight Official Episode 1 (05 August 2015) 9.30m (43.0%) 11.62m (+2.32m) Episode 2 (12 August 2015) 8.87m (41.8%) 11.59m (+2.72m) Episode 3 (19 August 2015) 10.06m (44.0%) 12.01m (+1.95m) Episode 4 (26 August 2015) 9.57m (43.0%) 12.36m (+2.79m) Episode 5 (02 September 2015) 9.83m (43.8%) Episode 6 (09 September 2015) Episode 7 (16 September 2015) Episode 8 (23 September 2015) Episode 9 (30 September 2015) Episode 10 (07 October 2015) Average 9.53m (43.1%) 11.90m (+2.45m)
29 August 2015 - 8.97m/9.61m (+1.86m/+1.97m)
30 August 2015 - 7.50m/8.09m (+1.56m/+1.62m)
Big timeshift for the Saturday episode.”
Thank God Lewie did the maths!
X Factor not the beast it was, but better than other entertainment shows that ITV put out. That's why it's there.
As for Bake Off, the previous week's lower timeshift coincided with it not being on Sky. Just an observation.
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“When XF was top dog ITV would push SCD back as early as possible.
Now the boots on the other foot they cry foul play.
Clashes are inevitable. SCD is BBC's biggest Saturday night show of the year so airing it any earlier than 1845 is pretty daft. Just fix if for 1900, tell ITV and they can do whatever they wish with XF.
Simon reckons XF is the biggest show so take SCD on head first mate.”
“When XF was top dog ITV would push SCD back as early as possible.
Now the boots on the other foot they cry foul play.
Clashes are inevitable. SCD is BBC's biggest Saturday night show of the year so airing it any earlier than 1845 is pretty daft. Just fix if for 1900, tell ITV and they can do whatever they wish with XF.
Simon reckons XF is the biggest show so take SCD on head first mate.”
100% spot on there. Last year ITV created a clash against Strictly. They lost out and started crying about the BBC clashing Strictly.
Strictly should start no earlier than 7pm anyway.
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“
Emmerdale is the one that loses most anyway. It doesn't seem to recover after the clashes with Fridays rating hardly any different from the clash ratings.
EastEnders finds viewers elsewhere like on BBC 3 and I player.”
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Emmerdale is the one that loses most anyway. It doesn't seem to recover after the clashes with Fridays rating hardly any different from the clash ratings.
EastEnders finds viewers elsewhere like on BBC 3 and I player.”
I'm sorry but that is a load of rubbish.
Here are last week's numbers for Emmerdale (excluding +1):
Mon: 5.6m
Tue: 5.6m
Wed: 5.8m
Thu: 5.6m
Fri: 5.4m
Both the Tuesday & Thursday episodes both clashed with EE reducing them to 4.6m on Tuesday and 4.5m on the Thursday. When the didn't clash for w/e 28th August, the EE episodes (for Tue & Thu) had 6.1m and 5.9m respectively. The clashes hurt EE a lot more than Emmerdale (due to the head-start as you've previously mentioned) and Emmerdale hardly budges from it's normal sort of levels anyway.
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