The Ratings Thread (Part 65)

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stv viewer

07-09-2015

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“A problem BBC1 has to a lesser extent but at least I don't feel I'm drowning with mainly one style of programme. With ITV it's mostly soap.

Yes BBC1 is seen as old but has a few young skewing programmes. ITV is seen as young but has several older skewing programmes. Doc Martin is one of the oldest skewing programmes on TV.”

What is the demographics for Doc Martin. I thought the audience would be quite varied

Fudd

07-09-2015

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“'looked quite similar' - because it was an elimination singing show? Is that format forever denied to the BBC because ITV had already done one? If that rule applies then we really will be looking at blank screens in a few years.

The tone and style of The Voice are completely different from The X Factor, and Talpa clearly agreed it wasn't suitable for ITV. Ironic that they are now owned by ITV. ”

I think Talpa's biggest fear at the time, even if was unspoken, was that ITV would use The Voice as a bargaining tool with Simon Cowell rather than respecting it in it's own right. They probably had a point as well.

Cestrian18

07-09-2015

Originally Posted by welshfoxy:
“Because it sticks out like a sore thumb on the publicly funded public service broadcaster. ITV tried to copy The Apprentice, it was unique enough and a perfectly BBC kind of show.”

I don't think it does, it sticks out becaude the press have decided its an easy target (if you remember the first 6 weeks when it launched it was beating BGT and hailed as the best thing since sliced bread) if you've ever watched the two they are different enough to co-exist (which if it'd gone to Channel 4 or something we wouldn't be even debating this) and it's pitched in a BBC type way (No duff singers, joke acts, negative critique etc...) I'm not disputing it can be a commercial show, (one of the main criticisms of it is that it's not commercial enough ironically) but the BBC is a broadcaster first and foremost, they saw that the format was doing well, needed a new entrainment hit so bought it in- It's no different to what they've been doing for years, the obvious one is the Generation Game (and Total Wipe out more recently)- People would be so quick to complain if the Saturday schedules were full of flops BBC LE keep churning out Don't Scare the Hare, Tumble, Prized Apart amongst others but it's not as if they're sacrificing in house projects in favour of TV and often commission stuff to sit alongside it- But anyway, it's nothing against you Foxy and I get where you're coming from, I just don't agree

H of De Vil

07-09-2015

Not that I want to get into it, but not all judges need to sing on a singing show judging panel. Does this mean music produces all need to sing as well as produce music?

Fudd

07-09-2015

Originally Posted by Andy_Smith1:
“Why do people suddenly have an opinion on what the BBC should and should not be airing and doing? Where were you all over the last few years”

Isn't that what part of the Charter review basically is - asking people what they think about the BBC, what they should be airing and doing?

But arguments in relation to Strictly's scheduling opposite The X Factor and the purchase of The Voice have been going on on here for ages.

H of De Vil

07-09-2015

Originally Posted by stv viewer:
“What is the demographics for Doc Martin. I thought the audience would be quite varied”

Last year a rating of 7.5m has about 3.5m viewers over 55

Mr Sirs

07-09-2015

Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Not that I want to get into it, but not all judges need to sing on a singing show judging panel. Does this mean music produces all need to sing as well as produce music?”

I mentioned this in my previous post - suggesting record producers/managers and DJs opinion on a judging panel is less valued than singers is a flawed argument. Did Brian Epstein who managed the Beatles and Cilla Black sing?!!!! Nope - but he wasn't tone deaf was he?!

NeilVW

07-09-2015

Just throwing this into the pot.

Quote:
“ITV 'X Factor' U.K. Ratings Concerns "Overdone," Analyst Says

The British TV giant's stock has dropped more than 10 percent in recent weeks amid worries about the talent show's audience and TV advertising, says Liberum's Ian Whittaker.

Spoiler

U.K. TV giant ITV’s stock price has fallen 13 percent since the beginning of August "on a mixture of concerns, including general macro conditions, the structural position of TV advertising, and the performance of The X Factor," Liberum Capital analyst Ian Whittaker said in a research report on Monday.

"We see the concerns as overdone and would use the current weakness to buy into a company that is likely to see significant consensus upgrades and where there could be several positive pieces of newsflow over the next several months," he said. Whittaker reiterated his "buy" rating on the stock and $5.03 (3.30 pounds) target price, saying investors should "‎take advantage of the weakness."

The B‎BC's Strictly Come Dancing beat Simon Cowell's X Factor in the ratings on Saturday night with an average audience of 8.7 million to 7.5 million, "exacerbating concerns over the X Factor," the analyst wrote. "Yet we think concerns over the X Factor are overdone: while ITV does not split out X Factor revenues, we estimate it is unlikely to contribute much more than 3 percent of full-year advertising revenues (and is also likely to come with a high cost attached)."

”

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...source=twitter

cylon6

07-09-2015

Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“The fact that GBBO is within a whisker of list leading BGT mid run is surely one of the strangest of scenarios. BBC1 still hugely dominant but DA and DM will be back to bolster ITV fairly soon.”

Looking at the timeshifts, I feel certain that Sky uploading episode 4 of Bake Off to iPlayer so late hit the timeshift figures. And it would have been very close to beating the BGT figure including +1.

Fudd

07-09-2015

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Just throwing this into the pot.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...source=twitter”

OK, if The X Factor is only worth 3% of advertising revenue is it actually worth more to Simon Cowell than ITV? From a pure financial point of view, I mean - obviously it's ratings are still very important to the broadcaster.

NeilVW

07-09-2015

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“How long was the launch last year? 75 minutes?”

Yep, 75 minutes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programm...don/2014/09/07

Quote:
“OK, if The X Factor is only worth 3% of advertising revenue is it actually worth more to Simon Cowell than ITV? From a pure financial point of view, I mean - obviously it's ratings are still very important to the broadcaster.”

It seems a very low estimate. One assumes he's taken into account the young skew.

NeilVW

07-09-2015

One Direction star Louis Tomlinson 'to join The X Factor' as ratings tumble

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/tv/x-fact...ell-new-series

NeilVW

07-09-2015

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Yes BBC1 is seen as old but has a few young skewing programmes. ITV is seen as young but has several older skewing programmes. Doc Martin is one of the oldest skewing programmes on TV.”

From Broadcast magazine, 16-34 skews for the main channels in w/e 30 August, including the first weekend of X Factor (overnights, inc +1):

BBC One: 9.3%
BBC Two: 9.9%
ITV: 13.6%
Channel 4: 22.1%
Channel 5: 18.4%

BBC Two's young skew boosted by athletics (and Family Guy), I imagine, and Channel 5's by CBB, of course (albeit only the first four days of it). Worth noting that BBC One had a bigger share of 16-34s than ITV (12.2% v 11.5%) due to its significantly higher overall audiences. Channels 4 and 5 had shares in this demo of 7.1% and 4.9% respectively.

JordyD

07-09-2015

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“One Direction star Louis Tomlinson 'to join The X Factor' as ratings tumble

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/tv/x-fact...ell-new-series”

Just LOL. As if that will bring in more viewers.

D.M.N.

07-09-2015

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Looking at the timeshifts, I feel certain that Sky uploading episode 4 of Bake Off to iPlayer so late hit the timeshift figures. And it would have been very close to beating the BGT figure including +1.”

Not convinced - I think Mary Berry accidentally spoiling the outcome of that episode on Radio 1 boosted the overnights and hit the timeshift numbers.

aberdaberdonian

07-09-2015

Since lewiep93 generously provided the top 20 most watched shows earlier, i thought I would join in with the top 20 dramas. Only one episode per series, no duplicates, etc.
Other than Poldark and Home Fires, I'm not sure that any of the other new dramas which make an appearance on the list will be returning. Black Work was a mini-series, wasn't it? And Partners in Crime suffered a substantial drop across its episodes, that must put its return in doubt. Maybe Ordinary Lives? Or Safe House?

Most Watched Dramas of 2015 [Top 20 - Officials]
01 - 10.73m - Call The Midwife - BBC1
02 - 10.40m - Broadchurch - ITV
03 - 09.10m - Death In Paradise - BBC1
04 - 08.75m - Poldark - BBC1
05 - 08.59m - Silent Witness - BBC1
06 - 08.26m - Casual Vacancy - BBC1
07 - 07.95m - Partners in Crime - BBC1
08 - 07.90m - Last Tango in Halifax - BBC1
09 - 07.86m - Esio Trot - BBC1
10 - 07.48m - Black Work - ITV
11 - 06.97m - New Tricks - BBC1
12 - 06.91m - Safe House - ITV
13 - 06.91m - Inspector George Gently - BBC1
14 - 06.65m - The Syndicate - BBC 1
15 - 06.40m - Ordinary Lives - BBC 1
16 - 06.38m - Arthur and George - ITV
17 - 06.24m - Code of a Killer - ITV
18 - 06.16m - Home Fires - ITV
19 - 06.16m - Casualty - BBC 1
20 - 06.12m - Midsomer Murders - ITV

Most Watched Dramas of 2015 [Top 20 - Officials inc. +1]
01 - 10.86m - Broadchurch - ITV
02 - 10.73m - Call The Midwife - BBC1
03 - 09.10m - Death in Paradise - BBC1
04 - 08.75m - Poldark - BBC1
05 - 08.59m - Silent Witness - BBC1
06 - 08.26m - The Casual Vacancy - BBC 1
07 - 08.06m - Black Work - ITV
08 - 07.95m - Partners in Crime - BBC1
09 - 07.90m - Last Tango in Halifax - BBC1
10 - 07.86m - Esio Trot - BBC1
11 - 07.33m - Safe House - ITV
12 - 06.97m - New Tricks - BBC1
13 - 06.91m - Inspector George Gently - BBC1
14 - 06.82m - Home Fires - ITV
15 - 06.67m - Arthur and George - ITV
16 - 06.65m - The Syndicate - BBC1
17 - 06.57m - Code of a Killer - ITV
18 - 06.50m - Foyle's War - ITV
19 - 06.48m - Midsomer Murders - ITV
20 - 06.46m - Vera - ITV

cylon6

07-09-2015

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Not convinced - I think Mary Berry accidentally spoiling the outcome of that episode on Radio 1 boosted the overnights and hit the timeshift numbers.”

Bad weather over parts of the country helped that night more than anything I'd say.

cylon6

07-09-2015

Originally Posted by aberdaberdonian:
“Since lewiep93 generously provided the top 20 most watched shows earlier, i thought I would join in with the top 20 dramas. Only one episode per series, no duplicates, etc.
Other than Poldark and Home Fires, I'm not sure that any of the other new dramas which make an appearance on the list will be returning. Black Work was a mini-series, wasn't it? And Partners in Crime suffered a substantial drop across its episodes, that must put its return in doubt. Maybe Ordinary Lives? Or Safe House?”

Ordinary Lives has been given a second series and Safe House is rumoured to be returning.

Chris1964

07-09-2015

Originally Posted by Cestrian18:
“I don't think it does, it sticks out becaude the press have decided its an easy target (if you remember the first 6 weeks when it launched it was beating BGT and hailed as the best thing since sliced bread) if you've ever watched the two they are different enough to co-exist (which if it'd gone to Channel 4 or something we wouldn't be even debating this) and it's pitched in a BBC type way (No duff singers, joke acts, negative critique etc...) I'm not disputing it can be a commercial show, (one of the main criticisms of it is that it's not commercial enough ironically) but the BBC is a broadcaster first and foremost, they saw that the format was doing well, needed a new entrainment hit so bought it in- It's no different to what they've been doing for years, the obvious one is the Generation Game (and Total Wipe out more recently)- People would be so quick to complain if the Saturday schedules were full of flops BBC LE keep churning out Don't Scare the Hare, Tumble, Prized Apart amongst others but it's not as if they're sacrificing in house projects in favour of TV and often commission stuff to sit alongside it- But anyway, it's nothing against you Foxy and I get where you're coming from, I just don't agree”

Danny Cohen always wanted a second big hitter in addition to Strictly. As you rightly point out the BBC hasn't exactly been overburdened with creative genius itself -in fact I would suggest that (aside from Strictly) it hasn't had a runaway success since the days of Noels House Party and the very early Lottery shows. There has been an awful amount of dross though and I think it must have seemed to Cohen that there would never be anything substantial which is why The Voice was bought. If the Beeb was producing hit after hit itself it wouldn't have touched TVUK with a barge pole imo. Its either that or embarrassing flops, or just yet more Lottery and Casualty. It will be interesting to see what, if anything, the BBC do if this is their last year of TVUK. They brought back Opportunity Knocks in the eighties-could that be revamped for a modern audience maybe? Part of me would love to see Rising Star on the BBC-just to see everyones reactions.

One thing we have to thank XF for is breathing life back into this thread. What a colossus it is in social media terms.

jsam93

07-09-2015

Originally Posted by aberdaberdonian:
“Since lewiep93 generously provided the top 20 most watched shows earlier, i thought I would join in with the top 20 dramas. Only one episode per series, no duplicates, etc.”

What did Humans peak with in the officials? Less than 6.12m? I thought Humans had reached 6m in the officials for its first episode but I may be wrong.

CrankyStorming

07-09-2015

Originally Posted by jsam93:
“What did Humans peak with in the officials? Less than 6.12m? I thought Humans had reached 6m in the officials for its first episode but I may be wrong.”

5.47m excl. +1, 6.12 inc. +1.

aberdaberdonian

07-09-2015

Originally Posted by jsam93:
“What did Humans peak with in the officials? Less than 6.12m? I thought Humans had reached 6m in the officials for its first episode but I may be wrong.”

It actually got 6.12m in the officials, but that was including +1. So just not quite enough to squeeze into the +1 table (6.12m places it in 23rd place).
Excluding +1, it 'only' got 5.46m. Still a phenomenal rating for a Channel 4 drama though.

H of De Vil

07-09-2015

Well Doc Martin returned to good form, thank goodness.

Pizzatheaction

07-09-2015

A very tetchy Ratings Thread today - you know it's a bad day when EastEnders and Voice get slammed for page after page, despite not having been on air the previous evening - but is it post-X Factor tension, or pre-Doc Martin tension?

Score

07-09-2015

Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“A very tetchy Ratings Thread today - you know it's a bad day when EastEnders and Voice get slammed for page after page, despite not having been on air the previous evening - but is it post-X Factor tension, or pre-Doc Martin tension? ”

I think some disappointment that X Factor didn't do as bad,y as many hoped played a part for some.

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