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The Ratings Thread (Part 65)
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murrkin
13-08-2015
How are Hello campers and freeze out doing for itv daytime ratings wise?
cylon6
13-08-2015
A Digiguide update by Elgin.

Saturday 22nd

BBC1

6 - BBC News & Weather
6:20 - Film: Indiana Jones & The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull
8:15 - Five Star Family Reunion
9:10 - Casualty
10 - BBC News & Weather
10:20 - Match Of The Day

ITV

6 - ITV News & Weather
6:30 - You've Been Framed! (r)
7 - Keep It In The Family
8 - The Saturday Night Story
9 - The Lost Honour Of Christopher Jeffries (r)
11 - ITV News & Weather

Other highlights:

BBC1

Sunday 23rd - Big Blue Live @ 7, Casualty @ 8
Monday 24th - Panorama @ 7:30
Thursday 27th - Big Blue Live @ 8
Friday 28th - Canals: The Making Of A Nation @ 7:30

BBC2

Monday 24th - The World's Busiest Railway @ 9, nightly until Thursday
Tuesday 25th - Goodness Gracious Me @ 10

ITV

Sunday 23rd - Animal Mums @ 7
Tuesday 25th - One hour Emmerdale @ 7, Bargain Fever Britain @ 8
Thursday 27th - One hour Emmerdale @ 7, Coronation Street @ 8, Stephen Fry In Central America @ 9
Friday 28th - Displaced edition of Real Stories @ 8

Channel 4

Sunday 23rd - Time Crashers @ 8, film premiere Les Miserables @ 9
Monday 24th - Muslim Drag Queens @ 10
Tuesday 25th - Educating Cardiff @ 9
Wednesday 26th - Posh Pawn @ 8
Thursday 27th - The Other Prince William @ 9, displaced episode of Very British Problems @ 10

Five

Thursday 27th - Celebrity Big Brother @ 9

7 Emmerdale episodes, 6 Coronation Street episodes. And surprisingly people say ITV rely a lot on soaps. Throw in Holby City and Casualty on BBC1 and both channels have a similar number of hours.
Markynotts
13-08-2015
Originally Posted by jake lyle:
“Shame they didn't take his advice of a 26 episode order


Not surprised about Corrie. It is beyond awful at the moment.

Also the live episode sounds utterly dull. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s3...e-episode.html

Revolving around Calum the panto " gangster"”

Oh dear, it doesn't sound too convincing as a celebration for ITV. It reads as though it will be a run of the mill standard episode. I guess the panto villain may be bumped off, which may come out closer to the time, especially when the publicity machines gets into gear.

It could turn into an embarrassment for ITV if Bake Off keeps its slot and viewers, and Emmerdale manages to gain a higher rating due to the clash.
jlp95bwfc
13-08-2015
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“ED back to normal figures. Just like EE, its hard to maintain viewers who drop by to just see the special episodes.”

It's still at 34% share though, which isn't "normal".
LHolmes
13-08-2015
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Awful number and share for Corrie, what happened there?”

I didn't watch last night's episode but reading the DS ratings article, it looks like it revolved around kids.

Badass Simon, who not so long ago was being bullied by two girls, getting drunk at the bistro with his never seen before mates. Basing stories around kids didn't work for EE so I'm surprised Blackburn thinks it will for Corrie. Actually I'm not surprised as he is generally clueless.
Dancc
13-08-2015
Australia: Seven's ridiculed show Cats Make You Laugh Out Loud [UK] wins epic ratings battle

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/...12-gixis5.html
Jokanovic
13-08-2015
Originally Posted by jlp95bwfc:
“It's still at 34% share though, which isn't "normal".”

Fantastic.
jlp95bwfc
13-08-2015
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“Fantastic.”

I'm sorry?
cylon6
13-08-2015
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Australia: Seven's ridiculed show Cats Make You Laugh Out Loud [UK] wins epic ratings battle

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/...12-gixis5.html”

There is no science in creating hit TV!
Jokanovic
13-08-2015
Originally Posted by jlp95bwfc:
“I'm sorry? ”

No need to be
Zac Quinn
13-08-2015
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“It's also been heavily advertised with an annoying trailer done in the style of an in store announcement 'bing bong' etc

They are doing a lot of docs about low brow establishments lately. Pound shops, KFC, Cash Converters, Scrapyards, bookmakers,”

If it's a choice between that and Channel 5's entire nights of anti-benefits propaganda..
Markynotts
13-08-2015
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Australia: Seven's ridiculed show Cats Make You Laugh Out Loud [UK] wins epic ratings battle

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/...12-gixis5.html”

Coming soon to ITV then

Actually just watching the clip on the link - I really do want to watch it.
LHolmes
13-08-2015
Corrie having 6 episodes a week is a joke, they can't even cope with their usual five.
Markynotts
13-08-2015
Originally Posted by LHolmes:
“Corrie having 6 episodes a week is a joke, they can't even cope with their usual five.”

Apart from topical magazine shows or the news, nothing should be on 5 times a week
cylon6
13-08-2015
Originally Posted by Markynotts:
“Coming soon to ITV then

Actually just watching the clip on the link - I really do want to watch it.”

That was the documentary that was on Channel 5.
lewiep93
13-08-2015
Any final timeshifting updates for last week's Bake Off? Or will we have to wait until next Monday to find out?
cylon6
13-08-2015
iPlayer performance pack for June and July.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...perf-june-july
Markynotts
13-08-2015
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“iPlayer performance pack for June and July.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...perf-june-july”

Eastenders adding on average around 800k additional view(er)s. Which would make a big difference to the consolidated figures.

Some big numbers there for Top Gear as well as a few others. The other channels should follow the simplicity of iplayer, which explains why it is popular.
sally_allen
13-08-2015
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“iPlayer performance pack for June and July.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...perf-june-july”

Most of the episodes in june and july are mostly eastenders which is good. I can't wait until september when Barb is going to all the catch up viewings and tablets,phone for all shows.
hyperstarsponge
13-08-2015
Originally Posted by LHolmes:
“Corrie having 6 episodes a week is a joke, they can't even cope with their usual five.”

That is one more reason why no one watches ITV these days. Channel 4 or 5 should put a good show opposite then no one will watch it.
omnidirectional
13-08-2015
Originally Posted by Markynotts:
“Coming soon to ITV then

Actually just watching the clip on the link - I really do want to watch it.”

'Cats Make You Laugh Out Loud' was originally on Channel 5 and is being frequently repeated on Comedy Central. It was their top rated show in the latest BARB figures.
Andy23
13-08-2015
Originally Posted by Markynotts:
“Coming soon to ITV then

Actually just watching the clip on the link - I really do want to watch it.”

It was previously aired on Channel 5.

I believe the next programme will be 'Cats on Benefits'

A programme featuring cat owners who are also on benefits. Twitter users can get morally ouraged that their hard earned taxes is being used to pay for cat food.

Steve Williams
13-08-2015
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“What has made ITV swap rpt's of Vera for Foyle's War on Wednesday? The latter rates about half of the former with under 2m viewers.

And another scheduling cock-up. ITV have scheduled their new 2 part school series - School Swap - The Class Divide opposite BBC2 series 'Are out KIds Tough Enough? Chinese School' at 9pm on Tuesday. Another case of poor planning. With all the slots filled with rpt's and its ends up directly next to another school set series.”

I'd not actually noticed that until I was reading Heat, of all things, and its preview said it followed along the lines of Chinese School, and it was only at that point I realised they were on at the exact same time. Utterly demented scheduling by ITV.

As for Vera, clearly they had run out of episodes that hadn't been repeated very much. Vera may well rate better than Foyle's War but it probably wouldn't if they were repeating the same episodes too frequently, there is a finite number of episodes they can choose from.

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Unwise to make assumptions based on that.

We're talking about massively different demographics here. And an entertainment format vs a chat show i.e. personality led. You can invest in one without being a fan of M&S but not the other.”

I don't know the demographics are "massively different", Bake Off is so popular and surely the kind of people watching daytime ITV are exactly the same kind of people who watch Bake Off. Add to that the fact Light Lunch was a big success (if not in terms of ratings then certainly in terms of audience appreciation and profile) and the people who watched that when it was in its pomp are now the people who would watch ITV daytime. I can't see how Mel and Sue were any more an acquired taste than Alan Titchmarsh either. I think the real killer for Mel and Sue was the 4pm slot which was a bit of a no man's land, it could have worked at lunchtime when people could take a break and watch it over their lunch or at teatime when there's a bigger audience around but I think 4pm was a rubbish compromise and inconvenient for the vast majority of the potential audience.

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“I haven't forgetten Poldark. I loved it but I can't picture someone saying the BAFTA for Best Drama goes to Poldark. It's not the feeling I got when I watched Broadchurch, Happy Valley, Sherlock or Line Of Duty. You know when you watch a very good drama and when you watch one that absolutely wows you.”

Poldark is a different thing to those shows, it's a crowd pleasing potboiler along the lines of Call the Midwife, which also doesn't win BAFTAs. It's a drama made to engage with the widest possible audience so it's hugely popular but not very challenging. It's certainly not in the business of competing with shows like Line of Duty.

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“We've been saying how well the current series of Dragon's Den is doing. According to Broadcast the 3.11m on Sunday was a 4 year high for the show.”

Yeah, it is perhaps a bit of a surprise because a big personnel change like that usually means a show is on its last legs. I know I rally against the D word but I think sometimes the appeal of Dragons' Den is based very much on its scheduling, previous series haven't rated too well because they've been pitched against very fierce competition, whereas here they're not up against much of interest and there isn't a lot about to detract attention of it. Just the fact there isn't much new stuff about so they're more likely to be Pick of the Day in the TV guides is of benefit.

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Awful number and share for Corrie, what happened there?”

Pound Shop Wars happened! The only problem with that series, as mentioned, is that it's twenty episodes too short.

Originally Posted by Andy23:
“They are doing a lot of docs about low brow establishments lately. Pound shops, KFC, Cash Converters, Scrapyards, bookmakers,”

You keep on saying this, but you've yet to say what the problem is with that, or even if there is a problem with it. I have no idea what the point you're trying to make is.

Incidentally nobody seems to have mentioned here that Scrappers has actually been postponed, neither of this week's episodes was actually broadcast and now the Beeb are saying the whole series will now be shown later in the year, for legal reasons it appears.

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“9 - The Lost Honour Of Christopher Jeffries (r)

Friday 28th - Canals: The Making Of A Nation @ 7:30

Thursday 27th - The Other Prince William @ 9, displaced episode of Very British Problems @ 10”

Hmm, not sure about the Christopher Jefferies repeat there, it's obviously a hugely acclaimed and high quality programme and given it won a BAFTA recently I can see the value of showing it again, but it seems a bit out of place on a Saturday night. I know they used to show quite involved and serious dramas on a Saturday in the past, like a Taggart or a Morse, but, hmm, I wonder. They're not showing all the Bourne films, anyway, maybe it's been scheduled there because the first Bourne film did so badly on Saturday and they've abandoned the idea.

I think that Canals show is a regional opt-out, doesn't sound like a network BBC1 thing. And there are three episodes of Very British Problems and they can't show them all at the same time, moving the last one for a show that could go anywhere.
Score
13-08-2015
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“I'd not actually noticed that until I was reading Heat, of all things, and its preview said it followed along the lines of Chinese School, and it was only at that point I realised they were on at the exact same time. Utterly demented scheduling by ITV.”

To top it off, C4 are launching Educating Cardiff against episode 2 on the 25th. I know they weren't to know that at the time but it's still very poor scheduling.

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“As for Vera, clearly they had run out of episodes that hadn't been repeated very much. Vera may well rate better than Foyle's War but it probably wouldn't if they were repeating the same episodes too frequently, there is a finite number of episodes they can choose from.”

I agree with the point you've made but it isn't actually the case here. They repeated episodes 1 and 2 of Vera series 4 before swapping to Foyle's War. It seems bizarre as they did a repeat run of Foyle last Summer and the ratings stunk so I've no idea why they expected any better. Plus they're repeating episodes only premiered in January which will automatically dent them as it is too soon (same goes for the Sunday Midsomer repeats). Vera has hardly ever been repeated in primetime so they've got quite a few episodes they could show so this just seems like a really stupid move.

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“Hmm, not sure about the Christopher Jefferies repeat there, it's obviously a hugely acclaimed and high quality programme and given it won a BAFTA recently I can see the value of showing it again, but it seems a bit out of place on a Saturday night. I know they used to show quite involved and serious dramas on a Saturday in the past, like a Taggart or a Morse, but, hmm, I wonder. They're not showing all the Bourne films, anyway, maybe it's been scheduled there because the first Bourne film did so badly on Saturday and they've abandoned the idea.”

I had thought that the Bourne run might be leading up to the premiere of Bourne Legacy but given that they're not showing Supremacy it seems not. I agree about Lost Honour, a repeat seems worthwhile but it seems out of place on a Saturday. Then again, I doubt it'd do that well anywhere (the ratings first time out weren't great) and at least it has a pretty low benchmark on the Saturday given how badly Bourne did.

Also it was 2x90 mins first time out yet this repeat is 1x120 minute episode so it seems they've re-edited it as a one off for this repeat.
D.M.N.
13-08-2015
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“I don't know the demographics are "massively different", Bake Off is so popular and surely the kind of people watching daytime ITV are exactly the same kind of people who watch Bake Off.”

You'd be surprised.

Bake Off in 2015 is similar to what The X Factor audition shows were to ITV in 2010.

That's no exaggeration. Bake Off brings in frankly ridiculous shares for the under 35's that other shows on TV can only dream of.
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