Always thought 'club' sports like rugby and football ratings will be under estimated as many people watch these sports in pubs and sports clubs. Do they factor this in?

It worries me just how obsessed some of them are with finding out the result before they go bed, and the lengths they go to. I think it's a bit unhealthy.

Each to their own though.

What did XF get last week in the Sunday slot?

Living in an area with plenty of Liverpool fans and quite a few Everton fans, pubs showing this game will be busy and the ratings for a Sky only match are probably double the officials once pubs and clubs are included.

There probably wouldn't normally be much of a crossover, but last night was not just any old rugby match, so things might have been different. England have lots of dedicated, genuine rugby fans, but the Six Nations, and particularly the World Cup games, bring out a disproportionate number of glory hunters, too. People who might have watched SCD if last night's game had been a dead rubber. Also, there might have been people who actually wanted to watch the dancing last night, but were not able to gain control of the remote.

But, no one knows for sure. Next week's figures might give us a better idea, but even then, there'll be other variables at play.

7.18m inc+1.

I think tonight it will remain in the low 6m inc+1, then rise over 7.5m at 8pm. Its the six chair challege and despite being cited as cruel, it does bring in more excitement to usual XF Bootcamp.

[quote=Glenn A;79883809]It does look embarassing and ITV now have a very expensive tournament, which was going to be the big event on the channel this year, they have to show for another month that will rate as badly as their Tuesday night offerings. Also the final is at 4.00, which will dent the audience more as it's being shown against Final Score and Soccer Saturday.
Rugby union in England,is far less popular than football and had this been a vital football match for England last night, then 20 million would have been watching

More people in Wales will watch Wales v Australia next week , than watch any of the forthcoming England v New Zealand RL games across the whole of the U.K on the BBC.

Population of Wales is half that of London. Just to put the size difference in context.

Some news pictures for Beowulf, Jekyll & Hyde and Jericho

http://hollywood-spy.blogspot.co.uk/...s-epic-tv.html

I see it's a 13 parter, so ITV must be confident in its success.

You should be a detective H! How do you find these things?

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About 40 per cent of the population of Wales watch the internationals, so that's 800,000 guaranteed viewers. It's a far more popular sport in Wales than in England or Scotland, I'd say it's on a par with football. Rugby union in England tends to be most popular in rural areas, the Home Counties, the West Country and parts of the Midlands. I know it's a generalisation, but an autumn friendly won't attract many takers in somewhere like Liverpool.

Plus ITV want to sell it abroad. That's one of the reasons why Beowulf is 13 episodes.

Surprised that nobody suggested that they call Jericho by any other name with a similar Biblical theme.

I know there is a real place in Bury with that name but I guess this is fictional.

It's just that there was a recent US apocalypse drama named that about an outpost town called Jericho (in Kansas). So some people might confuse the two if they see it in a listings magazine.

Something they could easily have avoided by someone spotting that coincidence and advising on a name change up front.

With lots of Biblical towns to choose from and unless there is a very good reason why it had to be Jericho then it seems a needless irritant to use the name of a pre existing series.

Don't suppose the US company will complain....Or maybe they just thought - Sodom.

Population of Wales - 3 million, population of England - 53 million

They are probably hoping to see it sell overseas. What is interesting though is that SyFy in America were putting together a Beowulf tv series in 2013 with different producers. I wonder why that didn't get off the ground.

http://www.ew.com/article/2013/11/13/beowulf-syfy

Its already sold to a US channel called Esquire

https://www.c21media.net/itvs-beowulf-finds-us-buyer/

Thanks

I thought it was 2 million and then checked and it was 3 million. ITV will be guaranteed at least a million Welsh viewers for this game,
Also the pub and football argument vis a vis ratings, I was walking past a large pub around 4.00 and groups of Man U fans were wandering in with their shirts on. This would probably add 20 viewers to the officials for a start and there were probably another 20 inside.

Well, the problem for The Kennedys will of course be endless comparisons with Cradle to Grave, as the two have virtually identical settings and I have no idea why they've decided to show them at the same time - as cylon pointed out on Twitter, a repeat of when they had Big School and Bad Education running at the same time.

Actually it's also an exact repeat of the period in 1999 when ITV were running The Grimleys and Days Like These at the same time, and on the same channel to boot. We can at least say The Kennedys was better than Days Like These (which also starred Emma Pierson of course).

Anyway, I quite liked it, for a primetime BBC1 sitcom it was entertaining enough. Not as good as Cradle to Grave, but as I say, that's the problem with the Beeb showing them at the same time. Aside from Car Share and Open All Hours - which are very much a special case because Peter Kay and David Jason are so famous and popular - I can't remember the last time the Beeb launched a brand new sitcom in primetime. At least nobody's calling it the WORST SITCOM EVER after five seconds, which is the usual response to most of these things.


I'm delighted Lewis is being shown on Tuesdays, for too long Tuesdays on ITV have been a self-fulfilling prophecy, in that the ratings are always dreadful so they're too nervous to show anything half decent there, but them not showing anything half decent there is the reason the ratings are always dreadful. But Lewis is a popular, established series which should be able to attract a large audience. It's probably the first big series on that night for about five years or so.

I'm less convinced with Eternal Glory, although I'll have a look at it because it sounds a bit like Superstars and I'll always watch a programme that's a bit like Superstars. The problem is that it's all very well going for male-skewing programmes for the slots where the football used to be, but of course the football is still happening, on other channels. At least they've launched it one of the few Tuesdays when there isn't football.


Good. I don't much care for rugby, and especially the culture surrounding English rugby, so I am delighted. Another example of ITV putting all their eggs in one basket here, I think. I don't think it tops the most embarrassing exit from a tournament, though, that would surely have to be the 1999 Cricket World Cup when they released the official England song the day after they were eliminated.


There was also a Foyle's War-esque drama with the same name on ITV a few years ago...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_(UK_TV_series)

I was going to say, quite recently. But in fact it was ten years ago. Time flies.

@ Steve Williams, one person who will certainly be out of a job today will be Rosie, The Sun's rugby world cup mascot( a Page 3 girl in a tight fitting England shirt). I suppose it will be back to football for the redtops, as this is what most of their readers prefer, and also the casual fans will drift away.
It's not really a sport outside of the two big tournaments that has much interest away from South Wales. This explains why all the club matches are on Sky or BT, as the ratings are so low, and highlights shows have either been on BBC Two( Rugby Special) or on ITV 4.

No, but one imagines the advertisers take a guesstimate of pub viewers into account when they buy slots, and likewise broadcasters when setting rates. Having said that, surely in pubs even less attention is given to ads than at home.

As someone who based on the volume of posts on rugby union considers themselves an expert - which sport achieves high ratings on terrestrial tv apart from football?

Is Christine Bleakley finally done with ITV now?