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Old 26-08-2015, 19:20
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ITV forgets it isn't the only commercial broadcaster. Perhaps some of the others might not be happy if BBC One started arranging its Saturday night schedule to suit ITV. ITV providing BBC One with a list of X Factor start times, and the BBC agreeing to schedule around it would basically be market-rigging for ITV's sole benefit.

ITV's priority today should be organising partial refunds or free ad plays for the advertisers who presumably didn't get the ratings they paid for during last night's Emmerdale.
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Old 26-08-2015, 19:24
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ITV forgets it isn't the only commercial broadcaster. Perhaps some of the others might not be happy if BBC One started arranging its Saturday night schedule to suit ITV. ITV providing BBC One with a list of X Factor start times, and the BBC agreeing to schedule around it would basically be market-rigging for ITV's sole benefit.

ITV's priority today should be organising partial refunds or free ad plays for the advertisers who presumably didn't get the ratings they paid for during last night's Emmerdale.
I don't any of the other commercial networks would be particularly be bothered in regards to Saturday night or any other night. On more than one occasion they've adjusted their own schedules due to what's happening on BBC One or ITV.

It doesn't sound like the BBC are scheduling freely anyway, going by Danny Cohen's response; they're scheduling Strictly based on how ITV is scheduling Emmerdale.
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Old 26-08-2015, 19:31
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I don't any of the other commercial networks would be particularly be bothered in regards to Saturday night or any other night. On more than one occasion they've adjusted their own schedules due to what's happening on BBC One or ITV.
So you don't think the other commercial broadcasters would mind the BBC manipulating its schedules for 16 weeks, solely for ITV's financial gain?
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Old 26-08-2015, 19:35
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So you don't think the other commercial broadcasters would mind the BBC manipulating its schedules for 16 weeks, solely for ITV's financial gain?
I don't think the other commercial broadcasters complained in 2010 when Strictly and The X Factor practically (if not completely) avoided each other for their entire run.

You missed off my second point.
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Old 26-08-2015, 19:54
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Tbh If ITV are going to keep damaging Emmerdale with these clashes, whilst trying to dent EE then I think the BBC have every right to damage TXF. Hit them where it hurts.

ITV need their soaps strong, not weakened. And while they are playing dent EE, they are forgetting they have a 9pm programme close to dropping below 1m. In 2013 ratings at 2.5m on Tuesday used to be low for Tuesday, now they are closer to going under 1m.

On Thursday they still have uber flop Flockstars in the schedule despite being on 1.5m last week. Instead of giving Emmerdale another 1hr ep and damaging both soaps, move Emmerdale as usual to 7pm and 8pm with Corrie at 8.30pm leading into their new factual series. As it stands now, Stephen Fry series is unlikely to be over 2.5m.

I'm sorry but with this I'm with the BBC. ITV are stupid and their scheduling is piss poor.
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Old 26-08-2015, 20:03
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I don't think the other commercial broadcasters complained in 2010 when Strictly and The X Factor practically (if not completely) avoided each other for their entire run.
I don't think the BBC agreed to rig the market in ITV's favour in 2010, either.

If the two shows happen to avoid each other, that's fine. Having a formal agreement for the two shows to avoid each other for ITV's financial benefit would be market-rigging, and could end up in court.

At the very least, it would lead to the BBC receiving a list of scheduling demands from ITV's rivals. Although to be fair to ITV's commercial rivals, they don't seem to have developed the same sense of entitlement ITV has over the last decade.


You missed off my second point.
I didn't think it was relevant to the market-rigging point.



It doesn't sound like the BBC are scheduling freely anyway, going by Danny Cohen's response; they're scheduling Strictly based on how ITV is scheduling Emmerdale.
There could well be an element of frustration at that, particularly when ITV is seemingly prepared to damage its own finances by clashing Emmerdale with EastEnders, but then throws its toys out of the pram, demanding special treatment for Factor.
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Old 26-08-2015, 20:10
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I don't any of the other commercial networks would be particularly be bothered in regards to Saturday night or any other night. On more than one occasion they've adjusted their own schedules due to what's happening on BBC One or ITV.

It doesn't sound like the BBC are scheduling freely anyway, going by Danny Cohen's response; they're scheduling Strictly based on how ITV is scheduling Emmerdale.
We don't know the bbc are running scd a little later as a backlash against ed/ee. And anyway its only the launch show it doesn't usually come back again till end sept.
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Old 26-08-2015, 20:13
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Just looking at some of the posts above, and they say I was ruining the thread a few months back...

Its bitter BBC v ITV arguments all the time.

It's really fun to read though, how wound up people get over what ITV and BBC should be concerning themselves over.
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Old 26-08-2015, 20:15
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It isn't the football so don't listen to that suggestion. It's blatantly to damage X Factor but the BBC will again claim they "don't care about ratings" and everyone will gobble that up and believe it.
The BBC calling out ITV on their Emmerdale soap clashes.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...-episode-times

That was reiterated later by BBC1 controller, Charlotte Moore, in a different session, who said she would schedule Strictly where BBC1 viewers wanted to see it and accused ITV of scheduling its own biggest shows against BBC1.

She said if Fincham wanted to move X Factor later, that would be “fantastic”.

“I have to think about what’s right for our audience,” she said. “The licence fee payers, these are the shows they love, of course that’s my priority. Emmerdale quite often goes against EastEnders, soap against soap, I would say that’s not great for the audience. We do our very best to avoid clashes.”
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Old 26-08-2015, 20:29
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In the long run though the BBC are the only ones who will loose out with this strategy,given John Whittingdales current scrutiny.
Are you going to spin this line every Saturday when there is a clash
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Old 26-08-2015, 20:32
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ITV are running scared
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Old 26-08-2015, 21:09
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I don't think the BBC agreed to rig the market in ITV's favour in 2010, either.

If the two shows happen to avoid each other, that's fine. Having a formal agreement for the two shows to avoid each other for ITV's financial benefit would be market-rigging, and could end up in court.

At the very least, it would lead to the BBC receiving a list of scheduling demands from ITV's rivals. Although to be fair to ITV's commercial rivals, they don't seem to have developed the same sense of entitlement ITV has over the last decade.
Oh no, I completely agree. It wasn't a gentleman's agreement or a signed agreement. Scheduling wise it just came about that Strictly tended to finish at 8pm and The X Factor tended to start at 8pm. And then it started to change - though to be fair I cannot recall if ITV started moving The X Factor earlier or BBC One were the first to blink and push Strictly later. I can't deny ITV have made more than one rod for their own back.

There could well be an element of frustration at that, particularly when ITV is seemingly prepared to damage its own finances by clashing Emmerdale with EastEnders, but then throws its toys out of the pram, demanding special treatment for Factor.
If it's the BBC scheduling how they want to schedule then EastEnders and Emmerdale have nothing to do with Strictly Come Dancing and The X Factor so interesting both Danny Cohen and Charlotte Moore decided to bring it up.

"We do our best to avoid clashes." Yeah... or maybe not.
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Old 26-08-2015, 21:12
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The BBC calling out ITV on their Emmerdale soap clashes.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...-episode-times
It'll be interesting to see the start times for The X Factor across the autumn because that will indicate dates and the potential hits on other programming due to the Rugby World Cup.

EDIT: One final say on that article. Fincham mentions Strictly being used to clip the X Factor's wings, which I think is accurate. But will he be challenged in interview about Emmerdale being used to clip EastEnders' wings?
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Old 26-08-2015, 21:22
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The X Factor's start times for 2015:
http://www.itv.com/presscentre/ep3week37/x-factor-1

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So basically this is a release so it can run across Strictly's "usual" time (see the two hour Sunday shows and 24th October) then whine 'don't say we didn't tell you'.

Cue the BBC releasing EastEnders' usual weekly schedule for ITV.

Spoiler
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Old 26-08-2015, 21:30
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The X Factor's start times for 2015:
http://www.itv.com/presscentre/ep3week37/x-factor-1

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So basically this is a release so it can run across Strictly's "usual" time (see the two hour Sunday shows and 24th October) then whine 'don't say we didn't tell you'.

Cue the BBC releasing EastEnders' usual weekly schedule for ITV.

Spoiler
ITV have the Rugby to fit in so they don't have many other options.
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Old 26-08-2015, 21:33
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Looks like the BBC news channel it the next to go,according to James Harding,so doing the job he was put there for by the tories and at Murdochs behest.Sky will be the only news channel shortly.
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Old 26-08-2015, 21:35
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ITV have the Rugby to fit in so they don't have many other options.
It's also why their probably publishing start times. It's all about spin.
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Old 26-08-2015, 21:35
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ITV have the Rugby to fit in so they don't have many other options.
They could use Monday nights, even if it means dropping a Coronation Street episode. Goodness knows they're piling them on Thursday's at the moment. Alternatively they could store the Coronation Street's up for a few Sunday hour longs post Christmas to hold up the night.

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It wouldn't be without risk but neither is the Sunday schedule. And frankly ITV's hypocrisy is just expanding, moaning about clashes on the one hand then basically creating them on the other. Do they think the BBC should move the Strictly results to 6.20pm?
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Old 26-08-2015, 21:38
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The BBC are guilty of the same hypocrisy. I thought we'd see Monday shows at 9pm tbh but obviously ITV have opted against that.

The format has been changed significantly with more Bootcamp/6 Chair weeks and less live shows.

I'm not expecting much from the show this year. I expect ratings to be down again and the show to be on its last legs by the end. I don't like the look of that schedule from a ratings perspective.
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Old 26-08-2015, 21:45
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They could use Monday nights, even if it means dropping a Coronation Street episode. Goodness knows they're piling them on Thursday's at the moment. Alternatively they could store the Coronation Street's up for a few Sunday hour longs post Christmas to hold up the night.

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It wouldn't be without risk but neither is the Sunday schedule. And frankly ITV's hypocrisy is just expanding, moaning about clashes on the one hand then basically creating them on the other. Do they think the BBC should move the Strictly results to 6.20pm?
The BBC would just move EastEnders to 7:30 airing against XF. Same as they move it during BGT week to 7:30
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Old 26-08-2015, 21:47
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The BBC are guilty of the same hypocrisy. I thought we'd see Monday shows at 9pm tbh but obviously ITV have opted against that.

The format has been changed significantly with more Bootcamp/6 Chair weeks and less live shows.

I'm not expecting much from the show this year. I expect ratings to be down again and the show to be on its last legs by the end. I don't like the look of that schedule from a ratings perspective.
Though the BBC haven't really moaned about any clashes in quite a while now; they just seem to be getting on with it.

I wouldn't air The X Factor at 9pm on a weeknight as it's too late for families and workers. Looking at the schedule I'm really not sure if ITV is protecting the show, to be honest, yet it really needs it.
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Old 26-08-2015, 21:47
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The BBC are guilty of the same hypocrisy. I thought we'd see Monday shows at 9pm tbh but obviously ITV have opted against that.

The format has been changed significantly with more Bootcamp/6 Chair weeks and less live shows.

I'm not expecting much from the show this year. I expect ratings to be down again and the show to be on its last legs by the end. I don't like the look of that schedule from a ratings perspective.
Everybody is hypocritical. It's all about spin. ITV talk about X Factor clashes but don't mention Emmerdale. BBC1 move Strictly to clash with X Factor some weeks.
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Old 26-08-2015, 21:49
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The BBC would just move EastEnders to 7:30 airing against XF. Same as they move it during BGT week to 7:30
That's true but, with no offence to EastEnders, I think The X Factor might find it easier opposition than Strictly despite the younger skew. Plus the hypocrisy tag couldn't be bandied about so readily because it's soap v light entertainment rather than light entertainment v light entertainment.
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Old 26-08-2015, 21:50
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Tbh If ITV are going to keep damaging Emmerdale with these clashes, whilst trying to dent EE then I think the BBC have every right to damage TXF. Hit them where it hurts.

ITV need their soaps strong, not weakened. And while they are playing dent EE, they are forgetting they have a 9pm programme close to dropping below 1m. In 2013 ratings at 2.5m on Tuesday used to be low for Tuesday, now they are closer to going under 1m.

On Thursday they still have uber flop Flockstars in the schedule despite being on 1.5m last week. Instead of giving Emmerdale another 1hr ep and damaging both soaps, move Emmerdale as usual to 7pm and 8pm with Corrie at 8.30pm leading into their new factual series. As it stands now, Stephen Fry series is unlikely to be over 2.5m.

I'm sorry but with this I'm with the BBC. ITV are stupid and their scheduling is piss poor.
I agree with this.

So ITV ask BBC not to clash SCD with XF, (as they know who will win and do not want to be hurt).

So ITV, Man up, Stop clashing Emmerdale against EastEnders, no one wins on that.

1-1 score draw. or more 0-0 no score draw for both.
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Old 26-08-2015, 21:51
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BBC chief Danny Cohen defends entertainment shows on the BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34050953
Fascinated to see what happens to The Voice after 2016, and the reaction to it.
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