ITV forgets it isn't the only commercial broadcaster. Perhaps some of the others might not be happy if BBC One started arranging its Saturday night schedule to suit ITV. ITV providing BBC One with a list of X Factor start times, and the BBC agreeing to schedule around it would basically be market-rigging for ITV's sole benefit.

ITV's priority today should be organising partial refunds or free ad plays for the advertisers who presumably didn't get the ratings they paid for during last night's Emmerdale.

I don't any of the other commercial networks would be particularly be bothered in regards to Saturday night or any other night. On more than one occasion they've adjusted their own schedules due to what's happening on BBC One or ITV.

It doesn't sound like the BBC are scheduling freely anyway, going by Danny Cohen's response; they're scheduling Strictly based on how ITV is scheduling Emmerdale.

So you don't think the other commercial broadcasters would mind the BBC manipulating its schedules for 16 weeks, solely for ITV's financial gain?

I don't think the other commercial broadcasters complained in 2010 when Strictly and The X Factor practically (if not completely) avoided each other for their entire run.

You missed off my second point.

Tbh If ITV are going to keep damaging Emmerdale with these clashes, whilst trying to dent EE then I think the BBC have every right to damage TXF. Hit them where it hurts.

ITV need their soaps strong, not weakened. And while they are playing dent EE, they are forgetting they have a 9pm programme close to dropping below 1m. In 2013 ratings at 2.5m on Tuesday used to be low for Tuesday, now they are closer to going under 1m.

On Thursday they still have uber flop Flockstars in the schedule despite being on 1.5m last week. Instead of giving Emmerdale another 1hr ep and damaging both soaps, move Emmerdale as usual to 7pm and 8pm with Corrie at 8.30pm leading into their new factual series. As it stands now, Stephen Fry series is unlikely to be over 2.5m.

I'm sorry but with this I'm with the BBC. ITV are stupid and their scheduling is piss poor.

I don't think the BBC agreed to rig the market in ITV's favour in 2010, either.

If the two shows happen to avoid each other, that's fine. Having a formal agreement for the two shows to avoid each other for ITV's financial benefit would be market-rigging, and could end up in court.

At the very least, it would lead to the BBC receiving a list of scheduling demands from ITV's rivals. Although to be fair to ITV's commercial rivals, they don't seem to have developed the same sense of entitlement ITV has over the last decade.



I didn't think it was relevant to the market-rigging point.




There could well be an element of frustration at that, particularly when ITV is seemingly prepared to damage its own finances by clashing Emmerdale with EastEnders, but then throws its toys out of the pram, demanding special treatment for Factor.

We don't know the bbc are running scd a little later as a backlash against ed/ee. And anyway its only the launch show it doesn't usually come back again till end sept.

Just looking at some of the posts above, and they say I was ruining the thread a few months back...

Its bitter BBC v ITV arguments all the time.

It's really fun to read though, how wound up people get over what ITV and BBC should be concerning themselves over.

The BBC calling out ITV on their Emmerdale soap clashes.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...-episode-times

Are you going to spin this line every Saturday when there is a clash

ITV are running scared

Oh no, I completely agree. It wasn't a gentleman's agreement or a signed agreement. Scheduling wise it just came about that Strictly tended to finish at 8pm and The X Factor tended to start at 8pm. And then it started to change - though to be fair I cannot recall if ITV started moving The X Factor earlier or BBC One were the first to blink and push Strictly later. I can't deny ITV have made more than one rod for their own back.


If it's the BBC scheduling how they want to schedule then EastEnders and Emmerdale have nothing to do with Strictly Come Dancing and The X Factor so interesting both Danny Cohen and Charlotte Moore decided to bring it up.

"We do our best to avoid clashes." Yeah... or maybe not.

It'll be interesting to see the start times for The X Factor across the autumn because that will indicate dates and the potential hits on other programming due to the Rugby World Cup.

EDIT: One final say on that article. Fincham mentions Strictly being used to clip the X Factor's wings, which I think is accurate. But will he be challenged in interview about Emmerdale being used to clip EastEnders' wings?

The X Factor's start times for 2015:
http://www.itv.com/presscentre/ep3week37/x-factor-1



So basically this is a release so it can run across Strictly's "usual" time (see the two hour Sunday shows and 24th October) then whine 'don't say we didn't tell you'.

Cue the BBC releasing EastEnders' usual weekly schedule for ITV.

ITV have the Rugby to fit in so they don't have many other options.

Looks like the BBC news channel it the next to go,according to James Harding,so doing the job he was put there for by the tories and at Murdochs behest.Sky will be the only news channel shortly.

It's also why their probably publishing start times. It's all about spin.

They could use Monday nights, even if it means dropping a Coronation Street episode. Goodness knows they're piling them on Thursday's at the moment. Alternatively they could store the Coronation Street's up for a few Sunday hour longs post Christmas to hold up the night.



It wouldn't be without risk but neither is the Sunday schedule. And frankly ITV's hypocrisy is just expanding, moaning about clashes on the one hand then basically creating them on the other. Do they think the BBC should move the Strictly results to 6.20pm?

The BBC are guilty of the same hypocrisy. I thought we'd see Monday shows at 9pm tbh but obviously ITV have opted against that.

The format has been changed significantly with more Bootcamp/6 Chair weeks and less live shows.

I'm not expecting much from the show this year. I expect ratings to be down again and the show to be on its last legs by the end. I don't like the look of that schedule from a ratings perspective.

The BBC would just move EastEnders to 7:30 airing against XF. Same as they move it during BGT week to 7:30

Though the BBC haven't really moaned about any clashes in quite a while now; they just seem to be getting on with it.

I wouldn't air The X Factor at 9pm on a weeknight as it's too late for families and workers. Looking at the schedule I'm really not sure if ITV is protecting the show, to be honest, yet it really needs it.

Everybody is hypocritical. It's all about spin. ITV talk about X Factor clashes but don't mention Emmerdale. BBC1 move Strictly to clash with X Factor some weeks.

That's true but, with no offence to EastEnders, I think The X Factor might find it easier opposition than Strictly despite the younger skew. Plus the hypocrisy tag couldn't be bandied about so readily because it's soap v light entertainment rather than light entertainment v light entertainment.

I agree with this.

So ITV ask BBC not to clash SCD with XF, (as they know who will win and do not want to be hurt).

So ITV, Man up, Stop clashing Emmerdale against EastEnders, no one wins on that.

1-1 score draw. or more 0-0 no score draw for both.

Fascinated to see what happens to The Voice after 2016, and the reaction to it.