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The Ratings Thread (Part 65)
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jlp95bwfc
31-08-2015
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“I don't watch, but how can they not show much of the new judges during auditions? Is it possible they didn't gel at all and their interactions were edited out?”

We saw interactions in between the auditions with little backstage clips, but in the auditions themselves there was very little interaction. Although there is some interaction to come with some sort of ice cream fight (probably contrived) in an upcoming episode. Likewise with Caroline (who didn't seem to be there for half of the auditions) and Olly. I know they have great chemistry but we didn't see it. They could easily come into their own in the live shows.

There was just a general lack of natural chemistry between the judges. Rita and Nick are supposed to be best friends but you wouldn't have known that they'd ever met. Last year's panel had more chemistry in the early stages although that turned sour as the series went on and the atmosphere became quite negative. Hopefully the opposite will happen this year.
NeilVW
31-08-2015
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I'll ask, as I've asked before today with no answer - like what?

We have variety, baking and dancing performing strongly but a second show based on those isn't really needed. Singing is over-saturated. Sheepdog training has failed miserably as has diving (albeit not completely miserably) and gymnastics. A talent show for sportspeople wasn't popular even though it didn't sound a bad concept on paper. People don't want to see celebrities trying out new things whilst Penn and Teller couldn't conjure up viewers and they're the best magicians in the world so that rules out that. Ice dancing slipped away. So where is this next big Saturday Night Light Entertainment hit coming from?”

You forgot BBQing.
Fudd
31-08-2015
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“I don't watch, but how can they not show much of the new judges during auditions? Is it possible they didn't gel at all and their interactions were edited out?”

According to those there (spoiler threads on The X Factor forum) they gelled quite well so the only thing I can think of is it's a deliberate attempt to refocus the show on the talent rather than the panel. But considering the producer this year is also Britain's Got Talent I don't know how they can make such a mess of it considering how seemless the interaction is on there.

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“You forgot BBQing. ”

Oh yes, how could I have forgot that? I swear I've missed off others as well.
cylon6
31-08-2015
Originally Posted by Jaycee Dove:
“This Morning should be interesting with the return of Holly and the revamp tomorrow.

It finally goes HD too. They did last Fridays episode in the open air to give them an extra day to rebuild everything in the studio. Even the outside of the building was being done up.

Might get a small temporary ratings boost.”

When I've been off and watched it I miss the newspaper review. That worked well at the start of the show.
cylon6
31-08-2015
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I'll ask, as I've asked before today with no answer - like what?

We have variety, baking and dancing performing strongly but a second show based on those isn't really needed. Singing is over-saturated. Sheepdog training has failed miserably as has diving (albeit not completely miserably) and gymnastics. A talent show for sportspeople wasn't popular even though it didn't sound a bad concept on paper. People don't want to see celebrities trying out new things whilst Penn and Teller couldn't conjure up viewers and they're the best magicians in the world so that rules out that. Ice dancing slipped away. So where is this next big Saturday Night Light Entertainment hit coming from?”

What about a drama or comedy show?
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“Even if it does there should be a larger audience available next Saturday than there was last Saturday.”

Viewers might choose to not switch over at all. Ratings for both talent shows will be eagerly awaited.

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“Audience levels tend to start dropping off from around nine, I think; having The X Factor run to 10.30pm is far too late for it.”

Yes I suppose you're right. No later than 10pm ideally?
cylon6
31-08-2015
Under The Dome is ending after 3 series. A shame but it stopped doing the business for Channel 5.

http://deadline.com/2015/08/under-th...bs-1201511072/
Fudd
31-08-2015
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“What about a drama or comedy show?”

The problem is I can't think of a comedy or drama which has ever aired for two and a quarter hours a week for three months on a Saturday night which also skews young.

Arguably they could build a schedule up of them but they're struggling to find one, let alone three or four.

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Viewers might choose to not switch over at all. Ratings for both talent shows will be eagerly awaited.”

That's true but I think The X Factor could benefit from a little more support. Not the clash though!

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Yes I suppose you're right. No later than 10pm ideally?”

No, 10pm is the cut off time really. Anything later is relying on the older audience to prop it up and I think they're the ones leaving the show in their droves.
Glenn A
31-08-2015
Originally Posted by jlp95bwfc:
“I agree with this. Why run the show into the ground? For me the show could've easily taken a break for a year or two and that in itself could've added years to its lifespan as people would actually be excited when it returns.”

Problem is ITV have never planned for the after life when TXF goes. You could understand them keeping it for another 10 years if it was cheap to make and could be run on a loop like YBF, but it is one of the most expensive shows on television and has to make an impact quickly to make money. Now the show seems to be in terminal decline, ITV really need to see if TV could be wrested from the BBC. It's also a cheaper show and seems to trend older.
Maybe another problem for TXF is the 17 year olds who watched it 10 years ago might have grown out of it and a new generation of teens aren't gravitating towards it, in the same way many teens consider BB to be old hat.
stv viewer
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Problem is ITV have never planned for the after life when TXF goes. You could understand them keeping it for another 10 years if it was cheap to make and could be run on a loop like YBF, but it is one of the most expensive shows on television and has to make an impact quickly to make money. Now the show seems to be in terminal decline, ITV really need to see if TV could be wrested from the BBC. It's also a cheaper show and seems to trend older.
Maybe another problem for TXF is the 17 year olds who watched it 10 years ago might have grown out of it and a new generation of teens aren't gravitating towards it, in the same way many teens consider BB to be old hat.”

Itv have another option if they got the voice.

They could run TXF from January - April

Then BGT from April - June

September - October they could put Ant and Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway

Then From October - December they could run The Voice

That would keep all the talent shows on air but X Factor would have the beginning of the year to itself as the BBC no longer have The Voice.

But X factor might pick up next week also if its a bad winter then by November the ratings might be healthy again
NeilVW
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“No, 10pm is the cut off time really. Anything later is relying on the older audience to prop it up and I think they're the ones leaving the show in their droves.”

Broadcast tomorrow might tell us about the all-important 16-34s. Possibly the skew to that demo has increased with the addition of Grimmy (and other changes) but not nearly enough to make up for the severe drop in overall audience, i.e. the number of youngsters will still be down significantly. As happened with his Radio 1 show.
hyperstarsponge
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“When I've been off and watched it I miss the newspaper review. That worked well at the start of the show.”

The Wright Stuff, Sky Papers and BBC Papers is for the newspaper review nowadays.
FMKK
01-09-2015
The thing is, is Grimshaw really that popular? He seems to have no discernible personality, an annoying voice and the expression of a simpering half-wit. The reason he's seen as a star is simply that we keep being told by the media that he's a star. Over and over and over again. I highly doubt that the idea of seeing a dull radio DJ on the panel is going to have younger viewers flocking to X-Factor.
H of De Vil
01-09-2015
ITV should not be resorting to taking TVUK. They need concentrate finding their own formats. These TV commissioners should be earning their money, not buying already existing formats.

How about a format like Ninja Warrior UK but outside in the form of something like 'Go Ape'. An assault course - swinging through trees, climbing up walls, zip wires etc. Members of the public take part.
Dancc
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“The thing is, is Grimshaw really that popular? He seems to have no discernible personality, an annoying voice and the expression of a simpering half-wit. The reason he's seen as a star is simply that we keep being told by the media that he's a star. Over and over and over again. I highly doubt that the idea of seeing a dull radio DJ on the panel is going to have younger viewers flocking to X-Factor.”

Well said.

Everyone seems to be in agreement on Grimshaw as well so it's a real mystery as to why he keeps getting high profile jobs such as this.
jlp95bwfc
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“ITV should not be resorting to taking TVUK. They need concentrate finding their own formats. These TV commissioners should be earning their money, not buying already existing formats.

How about a format like Ninja Warrior UK but outside in the form of something like 'Go Ape'. An assault course - swinging through trees, climbing up walls, zip wires etc. Members of the public take part.”

ITV taking The Voice wouldn't work imo. I think it would lose viewers immediately away from BBC One.
FMKK
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“ITV should not be resorting to taking TVUK. They need concentrate finding their own formats. These TV commissioners should be earning their money, not buying already existing formats.

How about a format like Ninja Warrior UK but outside in the form of something like 'Go Ape'. An assault course - swinging through trees, climbing up walls, zip wires etc. Members of the public take part.”

I like your idea more than just doing another bloody singing show. Especially if they got some interesting contestants and rivalries going within the show and had a good prize for the winner.
Glenn A
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“The thing is, is Grimshaw really that popular? He seems to have no discernible personality, an annoying voice and the expression of a simpering half-wit. The reason he's seen as a star is simply that we keep being told by the media that he's a star. Over and over and over again. I highly doubt that the idea of seeing a dull radio DJ on the panel is going to have younger viewers flocking to X-Factor.”

Radio 1 isn't such a huge deal these days to under 30s as it has so much competition.
cylon6
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by stv viewer:
“Itv have another option if they got the voice.

They could run TXF from January - April

Then BGT from April - June

September - October they could put Ant and Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway

Then From October - December they could run The Voice

That would keep all the talent shows on air but X Factor would have the beginning of the year to itself as the BBC no longer have The Voice.

But X factor might pick up next week also if its a bad winter then by November the ratings might be healthy again”

The Voice.

The show that gets slated and is now seen as the answer to ITV's problems!

We have seen one week of ratings for X Factor.and they haven't been good. I think we need to see week 2 ratings to workout what is going on.
spursboy68
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by stv viewer:
“Itv have another option if they got the voice.

They could run TXF from January - April

Then BGT from April - June
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September - October they could put Ant and Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway

Then From October - December they could run The Voice

That would keep all the talent shows on air but X Factor would have the beginning of the year to itself as the BBC no longer have The Voice.

But X factor might pick up next week also if its a bad winter then by November the ratings might be healthy again”

Only problem is SNT's ratings aren't what they were. Certainly wouldn't give it an Autumn TX.
Aurora13
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“ITV's trailer for DA has racked up almost 800,000 views in just 3 days. That's more than series 4 trailer got in 3 weeks. Is that a sign of strong interest? Could the ratings be back up on last year?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPwaCjE8DcY”

Downton needs to finish so I think it will be a yes. Viewers want to see an ending. Series 4 and 5 were slow and went nowhere much. In fact they've left so much to be tied up in series 6 it should motor along.
ftv
01-09-2015
Sir Bruce Forsyth is returning to SCD for the Christmas and Children in Need specials - DS
russellelly
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by jlp95bwfc:
“I agree with this. Why run the show into the ground? For me the show could've easily taken a break for a year or two and that in itself could've added years to its lifespan as people would actually be excited when it returns.”

Has this ever worked? Would people be excited when it returns, or would everyone have just moved on by then?
JustChrisM
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“That could be the next step - throwing The X Factor out on Tuesday nights. Even if it just manages to hit 3m there it will be an unqualified success. ”

Originally Posted by JordyD:
“This is what I have said before. ITV could have tried Tuesday/Wednesday like Idol was in the US.

Outside of BGT/ XF, ITV on Saturdays are now basically filler anyway.”

BGT Live Week shows that audiences are there for the big entertainment show so I say they should at least consider it. Also moving it away from SCD would help their ratings.
JustChrisM
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by stv viewer:
“Does anyone know who sings the song on the Downton Abbey trailer”

I do believe it's Lauren Aquilina, such a lovely song
NeilVW
01-09-2015
Wallace & Gromit (r): 3.10m (14.6%)
EastEnders: 6.25m (27.7%)
Danny and the Human Zoo: 3.41m (17.4%)
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