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what's happening with MBNL?
Seems like the ex_orange masts being upgraded for Three customers has grinded to a halt.
No progress has been made in ages where EE customers get 3G coverage but Three customers don't I'm in London and this is still a major issue. Does anyone has any info what's going on and why this seems to have gone in d to a halt? Thx |
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EE seem to have decided on a policy of 2G/4G for a number of masts, as MBNL is 3G only these masts seem to be outside of MBNL, as are any other 4G improvements.
Some say EE aren't all that enthusiastic about MBNL since Hutchison decided to go after o2. |
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I think the assumption is that because Three are buying out O2 (technically, Three's parent company are buying out O2), EE don't want to help Three since they are potentially going to be gaining access to the Cornerstone network.
MBNL is a 50/50 between Three/EE so I would've thought that Three still have some say in the site upgrades. But, I'm thinking that the remaining sites to be upgraded/integrated into MBNL are legacy Orange sites that are solely under EE's control, so if they just upgrade the 2G/4G, they can leave the site out of MBNL and not help Three seen as MBNL is only a 3G share. If MBNL can't go and upgrade the remaining legacy Orange sites, all the can do is maintain the current network. |
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But its a 50:50 joint agreement. Three must have power to do something about it
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I think the assumption is that because Three are bu
ng out O2 (technically, Three's parent company are buying out O2), EE don't want to help Three since they are potentially going to be gaining access to the Cornerstone network. MBNL is a 50/50 between Three/EE so I would've thought that Three still have some say in the site upgrades. But, I'm thinking that the remaining sites to be upgraded/integrated into MBNL are legacy Orange sites that are solely under EE's control, so if they just upgrade the 2G/4G, they can leave the site out of MBNL and not help Three seen as MBNL is only a 3G share. If MBNL can't go and upgrade the remaining legacy Orange sites, all the can do is maintain the current network. EE is just acting unfair in this agreement. |
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But its a 50:50 joint agreement. Three must have power to do something about it
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EE seem to have frozen any mbnl expansion indefinitely it seems, I wonder that if the o2 deal goes ahead weather EE have any freedom in the mbnl deal to halt further 4g upgrades from three on any T mobile sites,
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Yes it does appear that EE have stopped improving the old 2g sites that are part of MBNL.
It also doesn't appear that many masts are going 2g/4g though, which isn't helping EE as VF/o2 are arriving in more places all the time. |
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Does anyone have the ability though to near enough confirm suspicions that roll out has stopped of bringing old 2g into 3g and 4g?
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No, the owner network has to put the site into MBNL before MBNL can manage it, if the owner network decides not, it's just tough.
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It is a joint venture with 50/50 ownership though. The plans are to continue the operation from what I've read. I think there's a lot of discussion going on industry wide about plans.
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No, the owner network has to put the site into MBNL before MBNL can manage it, if the owner network decides not, it's just tough.
This perception that EE is slowing it down is simply not the case. If Three want in to any ex Orange site, they can do, if they're prepared to pay for it, and if its not on the already agreed list. |
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MBNL manage all of EEs sites, regardless of their status with Three. There is an agreed list of Orange stes, between Three and EE which will become shared, and the target and quantity for each year is agreed beforehand by EE and Three.
This perception that EE is slowing it down is simply not the case. If Three want in to any ex Orange site, they can do, if they're prepared to pay for it, and if its not on the already agreed list. |
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MBNL manage all of EEs sites, regardless of their status with Three. There is an agreed list of Orange stes, between Three and EE which will become shared, and the target and quantity for each year is agreed beforehand by EE and Three.
This perception that EE is slowing it down is simply not the case. If Three want in to any ex Orange site, they can do, if they're prepared to pay for it, and if its not on the already agreed list. |
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If this is the case, why do EE go in and upgrade 2G sites to 4G and leave out 3G entirely? Surely it's in their best interest to add 3G too.
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Well because the MNLB share doesn't include 4g sites. That was what the MD of EE said in an interview as they couldn't reach a deal over it.
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If you have 2G and 4G what do you need 3G for?
It seems that EE are sidelining MBNL to me |
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Or of course they are sideling most investment as they are leaving the market, so may as well increase profits for their shareholders and get costs down, before the deal is done with BT.
It's obvious things have slowed down, there must be the same number of old orange masts now as there was at the start of the year. Doesnt seem like much is happening. |
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If this is the case, why do EE go in and upgrade 2G sites to 4G and leave out 3G entirely? Surely it's in their best interest to add 3G too.
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I have a friend in the northern part of Shrewsbury, and a couple of months ago an orange mast was upgraded to MBNL with Three, so the work is definitely still going ahead
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I have a friend in the northern part of Shrewsbury, and a couple of months ago an orange mast was upgraded to MBNL with Three, so the work is definitely still going ahead
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The Orange 2G site near Ravenstonedale in Cumbria has been upgraded and is now kicking out a nice Three 3G signal. The new antennas look the same as the ones being installed on Three 800MHz ready sites so hopefully 4G800 will follow next month. Even if it doesn't, another 3G hole has been filled.
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Plans for a 3 mast near me to be upgraded to 4g are not even by MBNL which seems strange.
It's like the 2 networks are running completly separatly in some areas. Very strange. |
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Ran Man may well be correct (he usually is) but on here it seems one hell of a lot of ex Orange 2G sites are going 2G/4G only. Found one in Devon the other day at Bickington (with 4G => 2G CSFB working properly).
It will be interesting to see how the one above Totnes (Windmill Down) goes. Currently very very slow legacy Orange 3G. It is the only mast on any network that kind of covers Dartington (of the glass fame). If you live in Dartington you are either on EE, Orange or TM or you have no signal. If Ran Man is correct, then Three will use this one when it's upgraded. Watch this space...... |
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Sucks to be on Three...
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