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Old 17-08-2015, 22:07
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Look at this picture: http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...pssfwo7eal.jpg

The episode is from 20th February 2014, and shows a big Beale family: Jane, Ian, Lucy, Peter, and Denise. While not shown, Cindy and Bobby are also members of the family on the square at the time.

Last year saw the death of Lucy kickstarting the brilliant Who Killed Lucy storyline, and Denise leave the Beales. This year has seen the exits of Peter, (Beth) and Cindy, and the shadow of killing Lucy is over Bobby (while covering it up is over Jane).

The Beale family has been reduced to Ian, Jane, and Bobby - and maybe at a push Martin Fowler. Assuming that Mimi, like Ben Hardy, left on her own accord - and not axed like Hetti was, then it is an unfortunate mess we are left with.

The question is: How do we rebuild the Beales?
The return of Kathy is going to obviously keep the Beales at the centre of the drama. But considering the 'kids' that have been in the house before, it does feel like Kathy will be returning to quite an empty house.

There's been suggestions of Peter (either Thomas Law, or another new face) returning with Lauren and Beale Jr, (and possibly Steven) which is a possibility - but there will still be a lack of a female presence that Lucy and Cindy have filled for ages.

So - how do we rebuild the Beales?
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:09
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They could always bring Beth back. However there will be Kathy, Ian, Jane and Bovby plus we have Ben too.

Then we also have Kathys adopted step daughter Sharon.
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:09
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It could be a good plot device to use against Bobby - all of the exits have been linked to Lucy's death which is all his fault. Maybe Ian will come to appreciate all he has lost because of the kid he didn't want in the first place and come to loathe him. Meanwhile, he's in too deep concealing the truth and can't come clean.
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:11
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Im not sure Cindy is leaving permanently so could be back, and Peter's sprog will be introduced when Lauren gets back. It would be nice to see Sarah Hills back in the square now with auntie Kathy back. Intergrate Rebecca more into the Beales as well.

We know Peter had a girlfriend in Devon called Leanne, maybe she could rock up with mini Pete of her own and cause issues with Lauren
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:12
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:12
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It could be a good plot device to use against Bobby - all of the exits have been linked to Lucy's death which is all his fault. Maybe Ian will come to appreciate all he has lost because of the kid he didn't want in the first place and come to loathe him. Meanwhile, he's in too deep concealing the truth and can't come clean.
I like this idea.
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:15
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This is one of the reasons why Kathy's return could go two ways.

Be brilliant or be like Sharon's 2012 return. Returning to a show with so few people she knows or is close to.

Kathy without Pat, Peggy, Pauline etc around will be very weird.
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:18
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This is one of the reasons why Kathy's return could go two ways.

Be brilliant or be like Sharon's 2012 return. Returning to a show with so few people she knows or is close to.

Kathy without Pat, Peggy, Pauline etc around will be very weird.
The one thing I felt failed Sharon's rwturn was her lack of a family unit and she has really worked with the Mitchells. Like Sharon, Kathy is a family woman and she has both Beales and Mitchells in this sense. However, as you say, there are very few Beales which is why I begrudge them killing Lucy off. Hetti was commited long term and now we have lost a member of the Beales for good. I do wonder if Peter would have been the better option
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:18
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:24
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The one thing I felt failed Sharon's rwturn was her lack of a family unit and she has really worked with the Mitchells. Like Sharon, Kathy is a family woman and she has both Beales and Mitchells in this sense. However, as you say, there are very few Beales which is why I begrudge them killing Lucy off. Hetti was commited long term and now we have lost a member of the Beales for good. I do wonder if Peter would have been the better option
Peter wouldn't have had half of the dramatic appeal that killing Lucy did as she was Ian's little girl, and also that especially, in the last few months, many came to actually like her just before she was killed off.

While the storyline has been good, I wonder if it was the right decision. On the forums, there was a theory that Bobby would be kidnapped (mainly straight after Jane returned) - which would have been a storyline with some great dramatic value, but not cripple the Beales completely. There were many other possibilities as well - the point is that death is usually permanent, and thus the effects can be catastrophic if a long-term character, a character with a lot of potential, especially if they are still committed (like Pat) is killed off.
(Plus we'd had a murder reveal for the 25th anniversary)
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:28
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They could bring in Beale's that haven't been seen before because Pauline, Pete, Maggie and Kenny have 3 other siblings that have been seen in Civvy Street from 1988, but nothing on them has been mention who are Harry, Ronnie and Dora. Ronnie Beale apparantley left Walford in 1964 with his wife Gail due to a fatal heart condition, but he could have had a child. Then Harry was a drunk or something, but he could be alive or have children or grandchildren and I'm not too sure on Dora and where she went.

Then we have Lou's side of the family, the Medeemey's and she had several siblings. One was seen at her funeral. Flo, but there is no mention of the others. Even though they aren't Beale's, they are related to Ian. We also have Michelle's unseen son with Grant, Mark Fowler Jr. who could appear.

If you think about it, the Beale family now is similar to how it was. Lou was the original matriarch of the Beale family and I think Kathy will now be the matriarch of the Beale family. Lou had 2 of her children living in Walford, Pauline and Pete and now there is Ian and Ben (even though Ben isn't a Beale). Pauline and Arthur had 2 children initially, Mark and Michelle and Michelle had her daughter, Vicki. at 16. Ian and Jane (until Cindy left) had Cindy and Bobby and Cindy had a daughter, Beth. Martin's present family resembles how Pete's was 30 years ago-Pete had David with Pat and then married Kathy and had Ian. Kathy also had a daughter, Donna. Martin has Rebecca with Sonia and is now with Stacey, expecting a baby with her. Stacey has a daughter, Lily. Plus, Lauren has Peter's baby.
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:31
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Peter wouldn't have had half of the dramatic appeal that killing Lucy did as she was Ian's little girl, and also that especially, in the last few months, many came to actually like her just before she was killed off.

While the storyline has been good, I wonder if it was the right decision. On the forums, there was a theory that Bobby would be kidnapped (mainly straight after Jane returned) - which would have been a storyline with some great dramatic value, but not cripple the Beales completely. There were many other possibilities as well - the point is that death is usually permanent, and thus the effects can be catastrophic if a long-term character, a character with a lot of potential, especially if they are still committed (like Pat) is killed off.
(Plus we'd had a murder reveal for the 25th anniversary)
The thing is though, Lucy was really only presented as Ian's favourite towards the end of her stint. Peter was the favourite, hence Ian pushing him to train for Olympics and encoyraging him to take the fruit and veg stall. Peter was the child Ian was most oroud of initially and this was made clear upon Peter's return.

I think if Lucy was to be killed off, she ahould have been pregnant first and this time gone through with it, she would have been worried as her career was blossoming and doing well for herself. In the end, she realised this would be her second chance after the 2010 abortion. Once baby is born, Lucy would love it etc but be murdered shortly after coming home. Would have been a tragic end to the character and still provided a future generation for the family
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:33
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The thing is though, Lucy was really only presented as Ian's favourite towards the end of her stint. Peter was the favourite, hence Ian pushing him to train for Olympics and encoyraging him to take the fruit and veg stall. Peter was the child Ian was most oroud of initially and this was made clear upon Peter's return.

I think if Lucy was to be killed off, she ahould have been pregnant first and this time gone through with it, she would have been worried as her career was blossoming and doing well for herself. In the end, she realised this would be her second chance after the 2010 abortion. Once baby is born, Lucy would love it etc but be murdered shortly after coming home. Would have been a tragic end to the character and still provided a future generation for the family
And paved the way for Lucy 2.0 having a dead bitch for a mother hanging over her turbulent teen years. Just like Lucy 1.0
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:35
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Bring back Auntie Nellie.
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:36
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And paved the way for Lucy 2.0 having a dead bitch for a mother hanging over her turbulent teen years. Just like Lucy 1.0
Thats a goid point actually ian would want to ensure history wouldnt repeat itself there which could provide stories
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:43
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Ian still young enough to father more kids, not a desirable option granted, but could solve the dwindling Beales of the future.
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:45
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Ian still young enough to father more kids, ***not a desirable option granted, </***but could solve the dwindling Beales of the future.
You mean for the lucky lady?
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:45
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Ian still young enough to father more kids, not a desirable option granted, but could solve the dwindling Beales of the future.
Only problem is that would mean cheating on Jane

Unless they did a Jimmy King type story and have Ian donate himself to a sperm bank

I guess its plausible to believe Ian got Rainie pregnant last April, that could be a decent story actually seeing Rainie's lifestyle whilst being a mother
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:49
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Steven could do a "reverse-Deano" and return as a nice young man. He demands to be referred to as Steve and is one of the lads with Martin.
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:50
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Steven could do a "reverse-Deano" and return as a nice young man. He demands to be referred to as Steve and is one of the lads with Martin.
Perhaps Steven is the new trans character?

He returns as a fully transitioned M2F called Lou.
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:51
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Perhaps Steven is the new trans character?

He returns as a fully transitioned M2F called Lou.
That would solve the problem of there being no female kid! :P
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:52
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You mean for the lucky lady?
That comes across wrong ha! I mean't I know some people dislike baby s/l

Only problem is that would mean cheating on Jane

Unless they did a Jimmy King type story and have Ian donate himself to a sperm bank

I guess its plausible to believe Ian got Rainie pregnant last April, that could be a decent story actually seeing Rainie's lifestyle whilst being a mother
Or they could do a surrogate type storyline, Jane greatest wish is to be a mother and having a baby that's hers from the beginning, although not genetic could work..
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Old 17-08-2015, 22:56
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Ian is going to be on his own when Jane and Bobby are locked up....it's what he deserves.
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Old 17-08-2015, 23:06
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That comes across wrong ha! I mean't I know some people dislike baby s/l



Or they could do a surrogate type storyline, Jane greatest wish is to be a mother and having a baby that's hers from the beginning, although not genetic could work..
Im no expert on this area but could Ian and Jane go the IVF route and genetically have a child because I believe that Jane is only lacking a womb and should still have ovaries. Otherwise surrogacy as you suggested would be an interesting route but I wonder if would have a similar outcome to the Beth story- Jane and biological mother (eg Sonia as she is friends with Jane) fighting over legal rights of baby

i do hate how Jane can't have kids, make the whole rebuilding the Beales so much more complicated
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Old 17-08-2015, 23:14
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Im no expert on this area but could Ian and Jane go the IVF route and genetically have a child because I believe that Jane is only lacking a womb and should still have ovaries. Otherwise surrogacy as you suggested would be an interesting route but I wonder if would have a similar outcome to the Beth story- Jane and biological mother (eg Sonia as she is friends with Jane) fighting over legal rights of baby

i do hate how Jane can't have kids, make the whole rebuilding the Beales so much more complicated
I thought Ian had the snip.
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