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Old 12-10-2015, 13:08
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I'm quite pleased to see the pressure taken off Peter. Now we will perhaps see what he's capable of.....or not! That, for me is what it's all about.

I have a family member who is involved in a competitive sport. He is really good and almost always backed to be the winner. He absolutely hates it, and has often said it hinders rather than enhances his performance.

Well, yes. I don't know why some folk expected him to be brilliant in the first place. Tmk he has never professed to be a 'dancer'. Yes he sometimes does little routines when he is singing, but he is not a trained dancer , is he I only ever thought he would be 'ok', and l'm sure other people who like him thought the same
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Old 12-10-2015, 13:12
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Just noticed that we are not supposed to comment on anything happening on the 'other' Peter Andre thread in the showbiz part of the forum.
But what I will say is that what is happening in a celeb's private life is bound to affect their performance, even if only a little bit.
Perhaps that's why his makeup was so thick - it hid any facial expressions quite nicely....

That Paso was poor and, despite costume problems mentioned, could have been done an awful lot better.
Thank goodness for that. It has been done to death over the past couple of years!
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Old 12-10-2015, 15:31
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It wasn't a good Paso, lets be fair here. Did the costume hinder him a little? Yeah, ok, those boots didn't help and the beard and hair ... well, less said about that the better. However he wasn't hitting the Paso shapes and you can't blame costume for that. He seemed to be slumping forward a lot when trying to do the classic shaping and yes it was stumpy, but as said that could have been the boots. It also lacked intensity which you really, really need in a Paso. He just seemed to be walking around, no tension in his body and arms although he was pulling the faces ok.

Regardless the Judges were nice enough to him and didn't take him to town about his lack of style or technique to the level they have other contestants. Only Bruno gave him any sort of flack. Even Craig let him off easy. In fact thinking about it he has had a pretty easy ride really considering some comments levelled at the others. He was over marked for sure. Should have been a few 6's in there.

As to liking or not liking him? I didn't think I would. I have never held a good opinion of him to be honest. He always seemed to grab at any show that plasters his face on the screen as if trying to regain his popularity from the 90's. However so far he has come across as a normal guy and my dislike of him isn't effecting my opinion of his dancing at all. Actually I prefer him to Mark Wright from last year as Wright just got on my nerves with all the crying and everything.
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Old 12-10-2015, 15:48
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It wasn't a good Paso, lets be fair here. Did the costume hinder him a little? Yeah, ok, those boots didn't help and the beard and hair ... well, less said about that the better. However he wasn't hitting the Paso shapes and you can't blame costume for that. He seemed to be slumping forward a lot when trying to do the classic shaping and yes it was stumpy, but as said that could have been the boots. It also lacked intensity which you really, really need in a Paso. He just seemed to be walking around, no tension in his body and arms although he was pulling the faces ok.

Regardless the Judges were nice enough to him and didn't take him to town about his lack of style or technique to the level they have other contestants. Only Bruno gave him any sort of flack. Even Craig let him off easy. In fact thinking about it he has had a pretty easy ride really considering some comments levelled at the others. He was over marked for sure. Should have been a few 6's in there.

As to liking or not liking him? I didn't think I would. I have never held a good opinion of him to be honest. He always seemed to grab at any show that plasters his face on the screen as if trying to regain his popularity from the 90's. However so far he has come across as a normal guy and my dislike of him isn't effecting my opinion of his dancing at all. Actually I prefer him to Mark Wright from last year as Wright just got on my nerves with all the crying and everything.
Monkseal made a very good point (can't remember which thread though) in that the judges comments were a way of managing the crowd - it being fairly hyped due to the costume, major time props and production - but that the scores were lower than the comments would indicate.

I totally agree with your verdict of the dance - it's all too easy to blame it on the costume, and certainly the boots above all didn't help. However, it's clear to see that the posture was totally wrong, the shaping of arms was incorrect, his shoulders were forward. Even in the most typical of paso outfits, it would have been awful - and perhaps shown up even more, so perhaps the costume wasn't too bad 6s would have been more accurate, I agree. Perhaps they didn't want to come down too heavily on him given the headlines - it could have been seen as picking on him, or cutting him loose.
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Old 12-10-2015, 17:11
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His lack of technique was appalling in that paso ..stomping doesn't necessarily equate to paso and 4 7s was generous. ..it should have been 2 6s at least.

I've said this since week 1, the judges are too lenient towards him especially compared to other contestants like Anita or georgia for example.
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Old 12-10-2015, 17:12
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His lack of technique was appalling in that paso ..stomping doesn't necessarily equate to paso
Not only was he not good, he was terrible. In fairness to him though, that coustume was a thundering disgrace. He could barely raise his little legs in those boots
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Old 12-10-2015, 18:10
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Not only was he not good, he was terrible. In fairness to him though, that coustume was a thundering disgrace. He could barely raise his little legs in those boots
It really was truly awful.
I think Peter Andre was sold a complete kipper with that outfit. In all fairness, no one would have looked good in it, not even Aljaz. If I was him I would have refused to wear it.
I think that probably, Peter imagined himself as a butch, swashbuckling action hero, and unfortunately it was more angry toddler in a cheap fancy dress outfit.
But however bad the outfit was - and it was bad - his dancing was honestly not great. How much of that is down to him, how much is because Janette doesn't appear to have taught him any kind of technique, and how much is because of the outfit is debatable. I'd say probably a combination of all three.
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Old 12-10-2015, 18:58
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His lack of technique was appalling in that paso ..stomping doesn't necessarily equate to paso and 4 7s was generous. ..it should have been 2 6s at least.

I've said this since week 1, the judges are too lenient towards him especially compared to other contestants like Anita or georgia for example.
I think they deliberately went lite on him this week because of 'external factors'...

From this point forward, I think he'll be judged more realistically. He's going to have to seriously up his game to stay in the contest as he's showing no signs of improvement.
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Old 12-10-2015, 18:59
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What besotted fans? Is that an attempt to insinuate that anyone who doesn't have an irrational hatred for him is a besotted fan.
how desperate
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As desperate as stating anyone who doesn't agree with you has an "irrational" "hatred" of pa?

Works both ways, really.
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Old 12-10-2015, 19:17
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Have to admit,that costume didn't do him any favours,he looked like captain hook But i still like him lol.
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Old 12-10-2015, 19:56
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He was definitely trying, but the overall effect was not what I think he imagined it to be. He has had years of working with choreographers and dancers, so should be able to pick up a routine. I wonder if his partner is relying on his "performance" rather than working on the technicalities with him?
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Old 12-10-2015, 23:05
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As desperate as stating anyone who doesn't agree with you has an "irrational" "hatred" of pa?

Works both ways, really.
First of all nobody has said anything g remotely like that.
And next, it wouldn't be the same thing if they had.

Don't enter the debate of you aren't equipped. It's not compulsory you know.
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Old 13-10-2015, 00:11
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First of all nobody has said anything g remotely like that.
And next, it wouldn't be the same thing if they had.

Don't enter the debate of you aren't equipped. It's not compulsory you know.
Yep you did, Yes it is, and bless you, but rudeness is not debate. Let me know when you actually get started, and I'll consider it.
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Old 13-10-2015, 08:34
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Yep you did, Yes it is, and bless you, but rudeness is not debate. Let me know when you actually get started, and I'll consider it.
You can't just say somebody said something when they didn't, on a forum where everyone can read what was said

I'm not being rude, I'm explaining, simply.

Anyway, Peter is ok. Not fab but not awful.
Why that factual and unextreme remark has wound up so many people is a mystery. But, and you should note this, I do not care.
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Old 13-10-2015, 09:15
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As desperate as stating anyone who doesn't agree with you has an "irrational" "hatred" of pa?

Works both ways, really.
First of all nobody has said anything g remotely like that.
And next, it wouldn't be the same thing if they had.

Don't enter the debate of you aren't equipped. It's not compulsory you know.
Except you won't

What besotted fans? Is that an attempt to insinuate that anyone who doesn't have an irrational hatred for him is a besotted fan.
how desperate

Oh do provide a link to video of him stomping and gurning.
That's a reasonably competent beginner doing the steps of the paso, no gurning.

The trouble may of the miserable begrudgers have is that they simply are unable to provide anything to support their exaggerated claims.
Just say something like " I have an irrational and slightly obsessive hatred which I can't can't control so I pop onto the Internet to vent. "
Then undo a button or two and youre fine.
Actually reading what has been posted is useful
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Old 13-10-2015, 09:20
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He was definitely trying, but the overall effect was not what I think he imagined it to be. He has had years of working with choreographers and dancers, so should be able to pick up a routine. I wonder if his partner is relying on his "performance" rather than working on the technicalities with him?
This ^^^^

Spot on. After 26 years of 'performing' he has no excuses. Janet does not teach technique, and she's not much of a teacher anyway, but he needs to get his act together.

That paso was quite dreadful. His big problem is his posture - which is hunched - and his inability to use the floor resulting in terrible 'stomping' in every dance he does.
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Old 13-10-2015, 09:26
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This ^^^^

Spot on. After 26 years of 'performing' he has no excuses. Janet does not teach technique, and she's not much of a teacher anyway, but he needs to get his act together.

That paso was quite dreadful. His big problem is his posture - which is hunched - and his inability to use the floor resulting in terrible 'stomping' in every dance he does.
Exactly, much I can't stand the man and think he's a talentless twonk (and I've thought this since Mysterious Girl days and have yet to see anything to change my mind, although his hair is mildly less stupid these days), I did expect him to be annoyingly half decent at this, but he's not, he's going backwards rapidly and a lot of that is down to Janette's teaching skills, which appear to be pretty minimal, Jake really didn't improve last year either, he would have done far better with Ola.
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Old 13-10-2015, 09:44
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I've seen a lot of comments talking about his pirate boots etc .. and how they hampered him. Was he wearing boots though?? It looks like wardrobe just sewed mock boots onto his trousers to me. In effect they still hid his footwork a bit but I think that may have been a good thing.
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Old 13-10-2015, 09:52
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If I were Janette and aware of all the criticisms made about my teaching ability, I would determinedly say goodbye to circus tricks for two weeks and produce step / frame perfect dances in order to shove my clenched little fist up my critics' derrieres
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Old 13-10-2015, 10:02
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He would need somebody like Aliona to whip him into shape. If there's a bit of talent down there she'll find it. She built up Harry from nothing to a winner, did excellent quickstep with Louis and now this. She should give lessons about how to give lessons You need a talent though to excel like that and I think Peter has some. He just needs somebody to show him the right direction.
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Old 13-10-2015, 10:12
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His lack of technique was appalling in that paso ..stomping doesn't necessarily equate to paso and 4 7s was generous. ..it should have been 2 6s at least.

I've said this since week 1, the judges are too lenient towards him especially compared to other contestants like Anita or georgia for example.
He looked like Lord Flashheart meets the Pirates of Penzance.

Werf werf!
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Old 13-10-2015, 10:20
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Yep you did, Yes it is, and bless you, but rudeness is not debate. Let me know when you actually get started, and I'll consider it.

I agree I read that the same way as yourself ....
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Old 13-10-2015, 10:25
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He was definitely gurning and tho now thinking on it maybe he was trying to look menacing and fierce , to he he looked terrified and about to cry
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Old 13-10-2015, 11:15
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He was definitely gurning and tho now thinking on it maybe he was trying to look menacing and fierce , to he he looked terrified and about to cry
Give him time, he will hold onto the man baby tears, for when he does another rubbish routine, and his kids and embolism are in the audience, then it will be sniff sniff, my kids and my wife, am doing this all for them, sniff sniff.......
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Old 13-10-2015, 11:42
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Wow, Peter get so desperate in the Sun interview today as he point out that Jay been to dancing school!

What you been doing for last 25 years, Peter??
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