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When is a pie not a pie?
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pork.pie
19-08-2015
Pastry on top? Pastry on the bottom? No pastry at all? Lid? No lid? Pizza?

What the hell is a pie? ...and no dictionary definitions, tell me what you think a pie is.
walterwhite
19-08-2015
To me a pie has to have a bottom and sides. I don't mind a pie with a puff pastry 'lid' but to me it's not a proper pie.
swingaleg
19-08-2015
To me a pie has to be encased in pastry

If there's no pastry on top then it's a flan or quiche
gomezz
19-08-2015
Fish pie?
Patti-Ann
19-08-2015
I'd say lid = pie, no lid = flan, quiche or tart

Though as Gomezz says, a fish pie with potato on top also called a pie

Maybe the potato is the lid

From Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pie

That apple pie looks lovely
pork.pie
19-08-2015
Shepherd's Pie is a lie... Shepherd's Lie
Welsh-lad
19-08-2015
A pie has to have something on top, usually pastry or mashed potato.

It also has to be in a dish. A freestanding encased affair is a pastie.

Lemon meringue pie is not a pie imo. It's a flan.
noise747
19-08-2015
Who cares? As long as it tastes nice.
Paulie Walnuts
19-08-2015
Originally Posted by Welsh-lad:
“A pie has to have something on top, usually pastry or mashed potato.

It also has to be in a dish. A freestanding encased affair is a pastie.

Lemon meringue pie is not a pie imo. It's a flan.”

What about pork pies? They don't come in a dish, and like a pastie are 'freestanding encased affairs'.
gomezz
19-08-2015
Apparently you can now get naked pork pies! Which is an outrage against both the food item and the meaning of pie.
pork.pie
20-08-2015
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Apparently you can now get naked pork pies! Which is an outrage against both the food item and the meaning of pie. ”

Surely a naked pork pie is just a pig.
swingaleg
20-08-2015
I've recently been having Bell's Scotch Pies for lunch.......they're yummy !
Andy Birkenhead
20-08-2015
A pie has got a lid.
If it hasn't got a lid, it's a flan or a quiche or a tart
pork.pie
20-08-2015
Originally Posted by Andy Birkenhead:
“A pie has got a lid.
If it hasn't got a lid, it's a flan or a quiche or a tart
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Potato lid? Meringue lid? Pastry lid? Tin lid? Pan lid? Eye lid? Dustbin lid?
Jambo_c
20-08-2015
Originally Posted by Welsh-lad:
“A pie has to have something on top, usually pastry or mashed potato.

It also has to be in a dish. A freestanding encased affair is a pastie.

Lemon meringue pie is not a pie imo. It's a flan.”

I can't agree with this. A pasty is wrapped and doesn't have sides, a square of pastry with the filling put on top and then folded over to cover the filling.

A pie has a lid and can be either in a dish or freestanding.

That lid can be pastry, potato, meringue etc.
pork.pie
20-08-2015
Originally Posted by Jambo_c:
“I can't agree with this. A pasty is wrapped and doesn't have sides, a square of pastry with the filling put on top and then folded over to cover the filling.

A pie has a lid and can be either in a dish or freestanding.

That lid can be pastry, potato, meringue etc.”

Not having that, a proper pie should have a pastry lid... anything else is a pie impersonator, and not even a good one, a Jon Culshaw!
Paulie Walnuts
20-08-2015
Thinking a little more about this, a pie doesn't really have to have sides either. An apple pie or family sized steak pie made in a pie dish has a top and bottom but not really any sides.

I'm not really sure that a shepherds pie or cottage pie can really be called a pie either, even though the word 'pie' is included in the name. They are both basically minced meat with gravy, onions and sometimes carrots and a mashed potato topping. Not a pie in my book.
pork.pie
20-08-2015
My book says that a pie should have sides and a bottom, made of pastry... and a lid made out of a separate piece of pastry.

Lemon meringue is a tart.
Shepherd's pie is a lie, it's just tasty slop.
molliepops
20-08-2015
Pies come in many guises in our home, some with pastry some with potato topping only rule here for a pie is it must have a topping of some sort. Without a topping it's a bake or a tart. But if it tastes good can't say I really mind if it's pastry or topped or even if it has a bottom..
wildpumpkin
20-08-2015
Originally Posted by Andy Birkenhead:
“A pie has got a lid.
If it hasn't got a lid, it's a flan or a quiche or a tart
”

^^^^ This
zoepaulpenny
22-08-2015
A pie is soft pastry fill with large chunks of food ie mushrooms or potatoes, and it should be full to the brim.. if not it is not a pie.. but a cheap imitation of one..
Paulie Walnuts
22-08-2015
Originally Posted by zoepaulpenny:
“A pie is soft pastry fill with large chunks of food ie mushrooms or potatoes, and it should be full to the brim.. if not it is not a pie.. but a cheap imitation of one..”

A pork pie does not have soft pastry and a mince beef and onion with gravy pie does not have large chunks of food. They are both still pies.
farmer bob
22-08-2015
Melton Mowbray pork pies are lovely.
sarahj1986
23-08-2015
If it's a pie with pastry it must have pastry all around not just the top
pugamo
23-08-2015
What, then, is the difference between apple pie and apple tart?
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