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Old 23-08-2015, 15:05
Paulie Walnuts
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What, then, is the difference between apple pie and apple tart?
Apple pie has a pastry lid, apple tart doesn't.
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Old 27-08-2015, 19:18
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For me, a pie is something savoury or sweet fully enclosed in non puff pastry.

A dish being cooked and eaten from an individually served bowl or a large one which is served as potions with just a pastry lid I don't think of as a proper pie, that's just an upside down tart/flan.

Cornish pasties, made with puff pastry; I consider savoury pastries.

IIRC Cornish pasties were originally made with harder pastry, like pies. Legend/Myth (maybe true) was that the pastry joint was held in miners hands, which were dirty and discarded.
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Old 27-08-2015, 22:14
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I hate food pretending to be a pie by dumping the pastry just on top.
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Old 28-08-2015, 10:23
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I hate food pretending to be a pie by dumping the pastry just on top.
I'm not sure I quite understand that, could you give us an example?
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Old 28-08-2015, 12:58
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I'm not sure I quite understand that, could you give us an example?
Puff Pastry 'pies' that are just stewed meat with a lid on come to mind.
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Old 28-08-2015, 13:46
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To be a proper pie the pastry on top has to be cooked in situ not cooked separately and plonked on top just before serving.
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Old 28-08-2015, 18:13
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Puff Pastry 'pies' that are just stewed meat with a lid on come to mind.
Pretty much this. A pie is not a pie if it is not encased in pastry.
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Old 28-08-2015, 18:49
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If the words 'bentos' or 'fray' are at all involved - it most certainly is not a pie. It's just a weirdly shaped tin of vile gravy which has developed a thick rubbery skin on top.
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Old 29-08-2015, 08:33
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If the words 'bentos' or 'fray' are at all involved - it most certainly is not a pie. It's just a weirdly shaped tin of vile gravy which has developed a thick rubbery skin on top.
I used to love Fray Bentos pies when I was a kid so got one a few years back and couldn't believe how disgusting they were.
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Old 29-08-2015, 17:58
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If the words 'bentos' or 'fray' are at all involved - it most certainly is not a pie. It's just a weirdly shaped tin of vile gravy which has developed a thick rubbery skin on top.
I tried cooking one on a camp fire once, it went so well that I was still hungry after the whole experience.
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Old 29-08-2015, 18:12
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I used to love Fray Bentos pies when I was a kid so got one a few years back and couldn't believe how disgusting they were.
Still love them and Princes tinned pies still for sale for a £1 @ Poundand

Princes have more gravy than FB ,alsoPrinces have some Exotic flavours such as Chicken Balti

I think Princes used to own Fray Bentos brand ?
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Old 30-08-2015, 17:22
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My favourite pies are Pukka Pies. They get the pastry just right
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Old 30-08-2015, 17:48
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To be a proper pie the pastry on top has to be cooked in situ not cooked separately and plonked on top just before serving.
I was in a Wetherspoons once and an elderly couple nearby had ordered pie and chips.
The lady called the waiter over and said "What is this please?".
The waiter said "Steak and ale pie".
The lady flicked the pastry lid off and said "It's not a pie, it's a bowl of stew with a lid on. Take it back. I'll order something else."
And they obliged her.
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Old 31-08-2015, 16:37
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My favourite pies are Pukka Pies. They get the pastry just right
That's not proper pastry!

Holland's, that's where you need to be... Pukka indeed!

I was in a Wetherspoons once and an elderly couple nearby had ordered pie and chips.
The lady called the waiter over and said "What is this please?".
The waiter said "Steak and ale pie".
The lady flicked the pastry lid off and said "It's not a pie, it's a bowl of stew with a lid on. Take it back. I'll order something else."
And they obliged her.
Ruddy right too... stupid pretend pubs serving stupid pretend pies. There should be a law against such things!
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Old 06-09-2015, 16:51
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A steak pie doesn't need a side and Base. Just as long as the pastry was baked on the stew and not baked separately on a baking tray then it's acceptable. My mum used to make 'steak pie' this way ... no mother, that's stew and pastry.

Although shepherds/cottage pie? That's just mince n tatties!
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