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Old 25-08-2015, 00:14
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Ronnie tonight really pissed me off the way she was going on about Kathy.
She never even knew her so who is she to call her scum and look down her nose at her.

Another thing she said that Peggy hated Kathy which is complete rubbish because from what I remember Peggy was very fond of her.

I would have to say that the whole Phil and Ronnie scene tonight was possibly the worst this year so far. The script didn't make any sense and Ronnie's know it all attitude didn't help matters either.
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Old 25-08-2015, 00:16
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Peggy hates Sharon again despite them patching things up.

When in doubt, Peggy hates everyone.
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Old 25-08-2015, 00:18
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Ronnie tonight really pissed me off the way she was going on about Kathy.
She never even knew her so who is she to call her scum and look down her nose at her.

Another thing she said that Peggy hated Kathy which is complete rubbish because from what I remember Peggy was very fond of her.

I would have to say that the whole Phil and Ronnie scene tonight was possibly the worst this year so far. The script didn't make any sense and Ronnie's know it all attitude didn't help matters either.
She was so annoying tonight. I can't understand why she is so against the idea of Kathy coming home, or why on earth she thinks any of it is her business
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Old 25-08-2015, 00:19
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Has you never heard a story from a friend about their ex and slagged them off to make your friend feel like their decisions are right?

Ronnie was being a good cousin - as far as she's conceded Phil's ex decided to fake her death for cash, abandoned her sons and failed to show up when one went to prison for murder and the other's daughter was murdered. Yes, because Ronnie is absolutely going to encourage Phil to bring her around for tea.
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Old 25-08-2015, 00:20
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I'm generally a Ronnie fan but that was crap, she was really ridiculous. It's incredibly rich of Ron to criticise someone else's crime after what she's done.
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Old 25-08-2015, 00:20
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Why would Phil talk to Ronnie of all people anyway? Ronnie has no reason to know about the whole thing. If he told Ronnie why not tell Sharon? She knew Kathy after all but she's a complete stranger to Ronnie.

It was very bad writing indeed.
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Old 25-08-2015, 00:23
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Why would Phil talk to Ronnie of all people anyway? Ronnie has no reason to know about the whole thing. If he told Ronnie why not tell Sharon? She knew Kathy after all but she's a complete stranger to Ronnie.

It was very bad writing indeed.
Ronnie is the closest thing he's got to a family member with a brain cell. I mean his choices are Ben, Sharon, Billy or Roxie. Spoilt for choice isn't he!
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Old 25-08-2015, 00:28
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Why would Phil talk to Ronnie of all people anyway? Ronnie has no reason to know about the whole thing. If he told Ronnie why not tell Sharon? She knew Kathy after all but she's a complete stranger to Ronnie.

It was very bad writing indeed.
He knows Ronnie won't turn on or reject him because she doesn't really have much sense of morality. He knows he won't lose her like he could Sharon, and she'll keep his secrets like he keeps hers. She needs to keep Phil onside as it's always him he turns to when she's in trouble.
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Old 25-08-2015, 00:37
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I'm generally a Ronnie fan but that was crap, she was really ridiculous. It's incredibly rich of Ron to criticise someone else's crime after what she's done.
Agreed, I was not expecting that to be her reaction at all.
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Old 25-08-2015, 00:53
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Ronnie tonight really pissed me off the way she was going on about Kathy.
She never even knew her so who is she to call her scum and look down her nose at her.

Another thing she said that Peggy hated Kathy which is complete rubbish because from what I remember Peggy was very fond of her.

I would have to say that the whole Phil and Ronnie scene tonight was possibly the worst this year so far. The script didn't make any sense and Ronnie's know it all attitude didn't help matters either.
Peggy and Kathy got along originally but they parted on bad terms after Kathy had a fling with Grant which led to an argument between him and Phil which ended up with them crashing into the Thames. I remember a scene where Kathy came into the Vic and Peggy roared "You're a slut, Kathy Beale" from behind the bar as Frank tried to calm things down. Also, if Peggy's in on the secret that Kathy is alive, I'm sure she is unhappy that she abandoned Ben.
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Old 25-08-2015, 01:05
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In fairness, Phil did say to Ronnie "don't get holier than thou"
Ronnie is in typical Mitchell faaamily mode. She was going on about Kathy abandoning Ben and Ian, putting them through the grief of their mother dying for nothing.

Aunty Peggy may well hate Kathy, because Kathy slept with Grant in a revenge shag for Phil sleeping with Sharon. This lead to the Mitchell brothers dramatic car journey which ended up with them in the Thames, after Phil shot at the dashboard when Grant wouldn't stop the car.

It is possible, that during the years Peggy lived with Grant in Portugal, that Grant told Peggy what happened. This wouldn't be uncommon, remember Grant told Peggy that Sharon and Phil had slept together and made it out to be Sharon's fault. He may well have spun it so Kathy came out the villain of the piece. "She's a tart mum, she took advantage"

Peggy wasn't that fond of Kathy. She took a very harsh line with Kathy when Kathy had the affair with the Vicar. "You're a slut Kathy Beale!" she fumed at her in the Queen Vic.

Going back to anniversary week, Peggy didn't seem that shocked that Kathy was alive. It was played like a secret that both she and Phil had known about for a while, was about to come to light. "This won't just affect you you know, what about Sharon?" she said to Phil.

One thing is for sure, it will not hearts and flowers when Kathy does return to the Square. The Mitchells will not be welcoming, Ben will probably go off the rails, with Ian probably on the brink of another breakdown. There will be massive reprecussions when it does come out, that Phil has known about this for over 3 years.

I liked the scenes between Phil and Ronnie, even if Ronnie was a tad rich but I think that was deliberate.
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Old 25-08-2015, 01:39
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Tonight's episode was awful writing! Stacey's line to Ronnie too about doing bad things for the right reasons was ridiculous in itself! And why didn't Phil just say all of what he said to Ronnie to Billy?! Billy knows it all anyway so why drag Ronnie into his problem?!
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Old 25-08-2015, 20:12
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The dwarf Banshee always hated everyone who did not worship at the feet of Queen Bitch.

I used to love it when Pauline owned her.

I still find it astonishing that TPTB so casually dumped Pat whilst keeping Peggy just to appear in utterly appalling cameos every now and then.

She should have died in the Vic fire started by her scumbag spawn.
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Old 25-08-2015, 20:59
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As if Ronnie is in any position to criticise Kathy given that she has killed a man and kidnapped a baby for goodness sake. And Peggy never hated Kathy she loved her she spent 3 years between 1996 and 1999 trying to reconcile Phil and Kathy during his alcoholism and mistreatment of her. Sharon was the daughter-in-law Peggy couldn't stand not Kathy. And what about Ronnie encouraging Phil to keep Kathy's existence a secret from Ian and Ben? Ronnie spent 20 years believing her daughter was dead when she wasn't and the day she found out the truth she died for real, and now she's happy for Ian and Ben to go through what she did. Those Phil and Ronnie scenes were appalling with no regard for the shows history.
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Old 25-08-2015, 21:26
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As if Ronnie is in any position to criticise Kathy given that she has killed a man and kidnapped a baby for goodness sake. And Peggy never hated Kathy she loved her she spent 3 years between 1996 and 1999 trying to reconcile Phil and Kathy during his alcoholism and mistreatment of her. Sharon was the daughter-in-law Peggy couldn't stand not Kathy. And what about Ronnie encouraging Phil to keep Kathy's existence a secret from Ian and Ben? Ronnie spent 20 years believing her daughter was dead when she wasn't and the day she found out the truth she died for real, and now she's happy for Ian and Ben to go through what she did. Those Phil and Ronnie scenes were appalling with no regard for the shows history.
Who the heck are the writers these days, they make up shite as they go along, and clearly don't even know EastEnders history and it wasnt too long ago.
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Old 25-08-2015, 21:50
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As if Ronnie is in any position to criticise Kathy given that she has killed a man and kidnapped a baby for goodness sake. And Peggy never hated Kathy she loved her she spent 3 years between 1996 and 1999 trying to reconcile Phil and Kathy during his alcoholism and mistreatment of her. Sharon was the daughter-in-law Peggy couldn't stand not Kathy. And what about Ronnie encouraging Phil to keep Kathy's existence a secret from Ian and Ben? Ronnie spent 20 years believing her daughter was dead when she wasn't and the day she found out the truth she died for real, and now she's happy for Ian and Ben to go through what she did. Those Phil and Ronnie scenes were appalling with no regard for the shows history.
Didn't she treat Kathy like crap after she slept with Grant? From memory it was only Tiffany she didn't treat badly and that's only cause the poor girl died!
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Old 25-08-2015, 22:27
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She was so annoying tonight. I can't understand why she is so against the idea of Kathy coming home, or why on earth she thinks any of it is her business
She's annoying all the time!! She makes Roxy's business her business too.
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Old 25-08-2015, 22:58
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Tonight's episode was awful writing! Stacey's line to Ronnie too about doing bad things for the right reasons was ridiculous in itself! And why didn't Phil just say all of what he said to Ronnie to Billy?! Billy knows it all anyway so why drag Ronnie into his problem?!
Because if Billy already knows the story Phil's spinning, he would probably wonder why Phil was telling him all over again.
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Old 25-08-2015, 23:19
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And why didn't Phil just say all of what he said to Ronnie to Billy?! Billy knows it all anyway so why drag Ronnie into his problem?!


It was Ronnie getting the information out of Phil because she knew he was hiding something. She covered for him with Sharon and then wanted to know what was going on. Why would he suddenly start telling Billy something he already knows about?
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Old 25-08-2015, 23:24
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The spoilers for Mondays ep were weird, they said something like "Phils day gets worse when Ronnie reveals she knows the truth about Kathy"......that's not quite what happened, so those spoilers were either a simple mistake (Most likely) or that spoiler was meant for a future episode?
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Old 25-08-2015, 23:34
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Oh I hope it's a future episode and the "insurance scam" was a lie to cover the actual truth.
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Old 26-08-2015, 02:56
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Not liking Ronnie at the moment at all
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Old 26-08-2015, 05:23
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To be fair, if someone tells you about a woman who faked her death for money supposedly and has been living it up under a false identity while her sons (one of whom happens to be a family member) needed her during difficult times in their lives, and that woman wants to just slip back into her family's life like the fact that she left them grieve for her never even mattered, you wouldn't exactly think highly of her as a person, would you? Yes, Ronnie isn't exactly a highly moral person herself, but at least she hasn't abandoned her family.
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Old 26-08-2015, 06:03
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To be fair, if someone tells you about a woman who faked her death for money supposedly and has been living it up under a false identity while her sons (one of whom happens to be a family member) needed her during difficult times in their lives, and that woman wants to just slip back into her family's life like the fact that she left them grieve for her never even mattered, you wouldn't exactly think highly of her as a person, would you? Yes, Ronnie isn't exactly a highly moral person herself, but at least she hasn't abandoned her family.
Good point. It just seems kind of jarring from Ronnie because she has so little self awareness re her own flaws.
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Old 26-08-2015, 09:44
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Because if Billy already knows the story Phil's spinning, he would probably wonder why Phil was telling him all over again.


It was Ronnie getting the information out of Phil because she knew he was hiding something. She covered for him with Sharon and then wanted to know what was going on. Why would he suddenly start telling Billy something he already knows about?
Erm he can tell Billy about Kathy's behaviour the last week or so and they can discuss how long he's known. Phil doesn't have to tell him something he already knows but they can discuss it like Billy could have said, 'Phil you've kept this a secret for 3 years now, maybe you should end it' Phil could have said something like 'I would have sorted it 3 years ago but couldn't with Ben going to prison and Kathy was so worried when she contactede she was hysterical and I was all over the place'.

See not that hard so in future take your back hand comments and sly sarcastic digs and talking down to me like you think I'm thick and try be a bit more open minded yourselves. Instead of being rude!
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